Evidence of Joe Biden’s Involvement in His Family’s Influence Peddling Schemes

a reply to: JinMI

It doesn't matter.

You assert that Joe Biden got Shokin fired for personal gain. There is no evidence of that, and in fact there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Burisma wasn't being investigated for what happened when Hunter Biden was on their board. They were being investigated for what happened between 2010-12.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha


Burisma wasn't being investigated for what happened when Hunter Biden was on their board. They were being investigated for what happened between 2010-12.

Ummm, duh.

That's why they hired Hunter.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

You assert that Joe Biden got Shokin fired for personal gain. There is no evidence of that, and in fact there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

I refer you back to the OP........

Burisma wasn't being investigated for what happened when Hunter Biden was on their board. They were being investigated for what happened between 2010-12.

You really have no idea whats going on do you.

Hunter was brought on because of what was happening to Burisma.....

a reply to: JinMI

You asked:

So Shokin is corrupt, gets axed because the rest of the world says so. Then what?

Burisma/Z gets investigated, arraigned, charged and convicted...right? RIGHT?

Yeah.

Burisma Holdings, a Ukrainian energy company, was being investigated for corruption related to permits granted by the Ministry of Ecology for the use of natural resources1. The investigation was conducted by the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine, an independent agency. The role of Hunter Biden, the son of Joe Biden, on the board of Burisma was also questioned by some U.S. senators, who alleged a possible conflict of interest with U.S. anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine.

www.reuters.com...
www.usatoday.com...
abcnews.go.com...

There's your answer.

Son of a bitch…..

Joe said it himself

a reply to: Sookiechacha

From your link in 2019

The National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU) said an investigation was ongoing into permits granted by officials at the Ministry of Ecology for the use of natural resources to a string of companies managed by Burisma.

So that's what, 7 years since the investigation was opened as of the writing of that article.....

To reiterate, Shokin was fired for not investigating...allegedly, even though facts counter that claim.

So, with Shokin gone, that investigation would be able to continue under the NABU where it has remained dormant.


You may fall for that MSM tripe, I'll follow the facts, thanks.

a reply to: JinMI

Shokin was fired for corruption.

So, with Shokin gone, that investigation would be able to continue under the NABU where it has remained dormant.

NOVEMBER 20, 2019

Ukraine widens probe against Burisma founder to embezzlement of state funds

Ukraine has widened its investigation into the founder of energy company Burisma to include suspicion of embezzling state funds, Prosecutor General Ruslan Ryaboshapka said on Wednesday.
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After he took office in late August, Ryaboshapka launched a wide-ranging audit of criminal cases to see whether they had been conducted properly. Thirteen of them relate to Burisma founder Mykola Zlochevsky, Ryaboshapka told reporters at a briefing on Wednesday.
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Ryaboshapka’s predecessors oversaw a series of investigations into Zlochevsky, a multimillionaire former minister of ecology and natural resources. The allegations concern tax violations, money-laundering and licences given to Burisma during the period where Zlochevsky was a minister.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Nothing you're posting reflects what you allege in your comments.


It's simple logic, if Shokin was corrupt, then why wasn't Burisma ever brought to account?



This is all laughable as you still can't source where the international community specifically wanted Shokin fired.

Despite Biden’s claim, Europeans WEREN’T trying to oust Ukraine prosecutor targeting Hunter’s firm

The European Commission praised Ukraine’s Prosecutor-General Viktor Shokin for his efforts to fight corruption in a December 2015 progress report published nine days after then-VP Joe Biden demanded his ouster.

The report flies in the face of Biden’s claims that the European Union joined his demands that Shokin be removed for being corrupt and obstructing anti-corruption reforms.

a reply to: MetalThunder

Such biased sources! Too bad that report doesn't say what you think it says.

This report has nothing to do with, nor does it mention Shokin. It mentions "the President"
Also, this report is about progress that has occurred AFTER May 2015.
The report doesn't mention Burisma at all, nor does it mention that the corruption being investigated was for crimed committed between 2010-12.

The Commission adopted the fifth progress report on Ukraine’s implementation of the
VLAP on 8 May 20155
. The report stated that the progress achieved by the Ukrainian
authorities in the implementation of the second phase of the VLAP was noteworthy. In line
with the methodology outlined in the VLAP, the Commission organised on-site evaluations
involving experts from EU Member States. The report was accompanied by an assessment of
the potential migratory and security impacts of future visa liberalisation for Ukrainian citizens
travelling to the EU

justthenews.com...

2.3.1. Preventing and fighting organised crime, terrorism and corruption
2.3.1.1. Preventing and fighting organised crime
On 26 May 2015 the President of Ukraine approved the National Security Strategy, which
aims at defining the overall vision and direction of the reform process. The Strategy is a
good step forward.
The complex reform process of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the agencies responsible
for preventing organised crime is ongoing. The authorities aim to establish competences of
the law-enforcement agencies’ remits clearly, including a clear chain of responsibility for the
investigation and prosecution. Key elements of the reform, such as clear jurisdiction and
preventing functions overlapping in the fight against organised crime should be further
followed -up.
The Ukrainian authorities undertake efforts to reduce the pre-trial investigative powers of
the Security Service for intelligence and counterintelligence. On 21 November 2015, the
President signed the law aimed at the optimising law-enforcement powers in pre-trial
investigation. The competence on the pre-investigative powers of illegal smuggling was
transferred from the Security Service to the Ministry of Interior. The specialization of judges
and prosecution for organized crime cases has been further considered.
To ensure effective witness protection, the Ukrainian authorities will consider the allocation
of resources for the next budgetary period. A new procedure for cooperation on witness
protection issues and consistent application of witness protection orders is envisaged.
The preventing and fighting organised crime benchmark is deemed to have been
achieved

justthenews.com...

None of this has anything to do with Shokin, Biden or Burisma.

a reply to: JinMI

It's simple logic, if Shokin was corrupt, then why wasn't Burisma ever brought to account?

Burisma was a utility corporation that got looted. The people running it embezzled billions from Burisma and fled the country were being investigated, as posted.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: JinMI

It's simple logic, if Shokin was corrupt, then why wasn't Burisma ever brought to account?

Burisma was a utility corporation that got looted. The people running that embezzled billions from Burisma and fled the country were being investigated.

Charges?


...Charges?


Where are the charges Sookie???

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: JinMI

It's simple logic, if Shokin was corrupt, then why wasn't Burisma ever brought to account?

Burisma was a utility corporation that got looted. The people running that embezzled billions from Burisma and fled the country were being investigated.

Charges?


...Charges?


Where are the charges Sookie???

What does your question have to do with Hunter or Joe Biden?

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Again, if Shokin was corrupt, then how come the investigation opened in 2012 against Burisma has never to this date resulted in charges?

Furthermore, there is still no evidence that there was an international effort to get Shokin removed.

Yet, through Joe, Shokin was fired, Zlochevsky comes back to Ukraine, and Burisima never gets any charges levied against them.


Is this timeline difficult for you?

a reply to: JinMI

Sigh....Already posted this...

Burisma, an energy company, is being investigated by Ukraine for embezzling state funds1. The founder of Burisma is under investigation for this crime1. The National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine is also investigating permits granted by officials at the Ministry of Ecology for the use of natural resources to a string of companies managed by Burisma, but the period under investigation is 2010-2012, before Hunter Biden was hired by the company2.

www.reuters.com...

A Ukrainian investigation of gas company Burisma is focused solely on activity that took place before Hunter Biden, son of former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden, was hired to sit on its board, Ukraine’s anti-corruption investigation agency said.

www.reuters.com...

Furthermore, there is still no evidence that there was an international effort to get Shokin removed.

Saying that over and over again, in the face of multiple citations and sources, doesn't make it true.

There is no evidence that Joe Biden's dangling a $1 billion threat in December, pushed Poroshenko to fire Shokin. But 6 days after Legarde spoke with Poroshenko, dangling a $40 billion threat, he had Shokin's resignation.

Sorry this timeline is so difficult for you.

ahahha

here at ATS the cuckin' never stops haaaaaa

a reply to: Sookiechacha

There is no evidence that Joe Biden's dangling a $1 billion threat in December, pushed Poroshenko to fire Shokin.

Joes own words on video refute your delusion, sorry. I mean how many times does his CFR remarks need posted?

You certainly can argue that it was POTUS policy, but then why was Trump impeached?

You certainly can argue that it was an international effort to remove Shokin, yet we've not seen evidence of that but do have some to the contrary.

You certainly can argue that Shokin was corrupt, then you have to find a way to explain why the investigations into Burisma died under the Ukranian anti corruption agency.

But 6 days after Legarde spoke with Poroshenko, dangling a $40 billion threat, he had Shokin's resignation.

You still have yet to source this. Why do you have such strong beliefs to something you cannot prove with even the most biased of sourcing?

a reply to: JinMI

Joes own words on video

And...that's all you got! LOL

You still have yet to source this

Sigh...Already posted

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: JinMI

Shokin was appointed Prosecutor General of Ukraine on 10 February 2015

en.wikipedia.org...

FEBRUARY 10 2016
Christine Lagarde, the IMF’s managing director, said on Wednesday that Ukraine needed to make a “substantial new effort” to invigorate reforms, warning that without such a push “it is hard to see how [a $40bn IMF-led rescue of the economy] can continue and be successful”.

www.ft.com...