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originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Klassified
He wasn't wrong about their mindset, but their "need" goes hand in hand with increasingly oppressive governments, whether capitalist, socialist, or a dictatorship.
And who traditionally keeps those who seek power in check?
originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: burntheships
Edit: I should elaborate.
His finished works, not done by marx tie-in communism.
originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: 1947boomer
This is just intellectually dishonest.
By any available metric, capitalism has raised more people out of poverty, (especially over the last 100 years) than any other socioeconomic system in human history.
Where by contrast, socialism, communism, fascism has directly resulted in the deaths of more than 200 million people. Whether through murder or starvation.
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originally posted by: Gandalf77
So rather than referencing an actual manifesto or anything remotely academic, it's just another ignorant right-wing catch-all for that which they don't like (similar to "woke"). Standard.
originally posted by: DBCowboy
originally posted by: Ohanka
Identity Politics is the furthest thing from Marxist social philosophy as possible with the exception of lunacy like Nazism.
Marxism is all about the unity of the working class and the ending of meaningless distinctions like race & gender. To divide the people by having them argue over stuff like gender & race is an inherently Bourgeois strategy. A proletariat that is divided amongst itself will never unite against the bourgeois after all.
Perhaps the greatest con of modern times was convincing people that “Marxism” and “Socialism” actually mean the opposite to what they are supposed to.
This is why conservatives decry supporters of Neoliberal Corporate Feudalism as “Socialists” even though I don't think there has ever been a system more opposed to the workers than anything before.
How would Marxism work in the US with a Constitution?
originally posted by: 1947boomer
originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: 1947boomer
This is just intellectually dishonest.
By any available metric, capitalism has raised more people out of poverty, (especially over the last 100 years) than any other socioeconomic system in human history.
Where by contrast, socialism, communism, fascism has directly resulted in the deaths of more than 200 million people. Whether through murder or starvation.
.....
Show me anywhere I said or implied that Capitalism is not an enormously productive economic system. I didn't and I won't.
However, unregulated Capitalism is basically a Darwinian system--there will be winners and losers. As time goes by, the winners will come to own more and more of the wealth and the losers will be homeless and living in ghettos. I could go into why I think that happens, but I think it's pretty clear that it has throughout history. In the US today, about a third of all the wealth is concentrated in 1% of the families while 50% of the families own about 1% of the wealth. Half the population doesn't even really participate in the economy. I don't think that's sustainable, do you?
If it's not sustainable then you have to regulate Capitalism somehow.
originally posted by: olaru12
I think the only criteria for being a Commi/marxist on ats is to not subscribe to trumps BS .
originally posted by: burntheships
originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: burntheships
Edit: I should elaborate.
His finished works, not done by marx tie-in communism.
Yeah, I should elaborate too. Do they even teach anatomy
in school these days? Or do they teach gender studies?
He finished Das Kapital, so there is that. Eerily in many
aspects much like the WEF you will own nothing and be happy?
I have often asked what some folk on here believe Marxism and Communism might be, and which, if any, US politicians might fit either label.
Usually just get a bunch of grief aimed at me for my trouble.
Never heard of "Cultural Marxism" before.
Is it a made up thing?
Enjoy your full English. Don't forget to ask for it to be really bland.