The Cultural Marxist Revolution

a reply to: strongfp

"Antifa is an idea..."


These arent very strong semantics....

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Hecate666

This is what communism turned into, a failed forced experiment. But has fundamentally not much to do with marxism...

Marxism is a philosophy. Communism is an end goal.

Marxism is a means to an end.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

You’ve cheered this Marxism on , you seriously want to sit here and tell us you’re a centrist , that’s bs . You’ve sat here and cheered on Biden and Obama and smeared trump every chance you had.

Example

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Klassified

I've read the article.. and it's entirely based off the manifesto.

Is this another Jordan Peterson vrs. Zizek moment?

A manifesto Marx and Engels wrote, but having read some Marx, I don't think the article missed the mark, though as I said, it's not perfect.

I don't know anything about Peterson vs Zizek moment.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Hecate666

This is what communism turned into, a failed forced experiment. But has fundamentally not much to do with marxism...

Marxism is a philosophy. Communism is an end goal.

Marxism is a means to an end.

Yes!

a reply to: DBCowboy

So, should everyone just not have ideas that lead to no where?

Christians believe Jesus will return one day, people naively believe they'll live forever at some point in their lives.

A philosophy needs to have a sort of end goal, in Marxism the end goal was loosely tied to a future of communism of sorts, marx never really gave an in depth description beyond one saying:

From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs

Which can literally be translated to people just simply holding the door open for you or someone agreeing to be paid for painting your fence.

a reply to: Hecate666

You are obviously confused since this complete non-sequitur neither describe me, my beliefs nor Marxism. I don’t actually believe in Marxism, I just happen to know what it is.

a reply to: Klassified

They wrote some jotted down points for "communist leagues" to run a propoganda piece in their names.

The final publication was just loose interpretations of Marx and engels works, and even still marx didn't even finish most of his works, he was too drunk arguing in pubs and angry writing for tabloid papers. His works weren't finished until after he died.

a reply to: strongfp

You? WW1 and leading up to WW2 was arguably because of workers standing up for their rights and colonialist capitalist powers attempting to squash peasant revolts, worker uprisings left massive power vacuums worldwide.

There are a lot of places we could go with this, but I think we would end up at an impasse in the end, so I'll just say the ones waiting to fill those voids certainly didn't have the best interest of the workers at heart. As Orwell once said...
"One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship."

The workers movements from the 1860s - 1930s weren't a joke, in Chicago all the rich industrialists were so scared of unions and workers they threw money at the federal government to build a military barracks between where they lived and the factories.

I'm certain the rich wanted a protective barrier between them and the unwashed, but their fear wasn't so much of unions and workers as much as where it was headed from there. They weren't stupid.

You won't get any argument from me that the rich have taken advantage of the poor since humans have inhabited the earth, whatever their political persuasion. Lewis Hine, the photographer spent a portion of his life dedicated to exposing child labor. Thankfully, he had an impact, and we are better off today because of it.

Neither do I think capitalism is perfect. "Let the market decide" sounds great, but when the market is manipulated by the unscrupulous, the market literally decides instead of the people.

That said, I'd much rather take my chances with the capitalists and a nation of laws than socialists/communists where 51% of the people take away the rights of the other 49%.

a reply to: DBCowboy

I’ll be honest I don’t understand the purpose of this question or why you asked it of me.

But I would guess they wouldn’t start by advocating for and implementing policy based on ideas that are pretty much the polar opposite of Marxism. Seems counter-productive.

Marxism is about class. Not race, gender, LGBTQLMNOP or the myriad other manufactured causes Neoliberals push under the banner of Identity Politics.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: DBCowboy

So, should everyone just not have ideas that lead to no where?

Christians believe Jesus will return one day, people naively believe they'll live forever at some point in their lives.

A philosophy needs to have a sort of end goal, in Marxism the end goal was loosely tied to a future of communism of sorts, marx never really gave an in depth description beyond one saying:

From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs

Which can literally be translated to people just simply holding the door open for you or someone agreeing to be paid for painting your fence.

Personal beliefs are fine.

I would encourage them!

But I will fight it to my death if I am mandated and forced into Marxism.

a reply to: strongfp

The final publication was just loose interpretations of Marx and engels works, and even still marx didn't even finish most of his works, he was too drunk arguing in pubs and angry writing for tabloid papers. His works weren't finished until after he died.

Lol. I can't argue with this. From what I've read in the past, there's some truth to it, but his work is still the root of the modern Marxist communist movement.

Millionaire BLM Founder Admits She’s A Marxist, Says She’s Proud Of Comparisons To Mao

originally posted by: Ohanka
a reply to: DBCowboy

I’ll be honest I don’t understand the purpose of this question or why you asked it of me.

But I would guess they wouldn’t start by advocating for and implementing policy based on ideas that are pretty much the polar opposite of Marxism. Seems counter-productive.

Marxism is about class. Not race, gender, LGBTQLMNOP or the myriad other manufactured causes Neoliberals push under the banner of Identity Politics.

Marxism, Cultural MArxism, is being used for race, gender, BLT, blah blah blah.

Did you even read the OP?

originally posted by: Ohanka
Identity Politics is the furthest thing from Marxist social philosophy as possible with the exception of lunacy like Nazism.

Identity politics are right there, we all recognize the new appeal
to race and power conflicts with terms; Feminism, gender studies,
critical race theory, post-colonialism etc.

Other terms you are familiar with..privilege, alienation, hegemony,
patriarch, white supremacy, white privilege...I could go on but
you get the idea right?

a reply to: DBCowboy

Yes, and it isn’t because it can’t be.

It’s like saying you believe in Christianity but you’re not into the Jesus stuff you much prefer devil worship . It’s literally a contradiction in terms.

If you were to wake up tomorrow and Marxists had magically taken control of the state all the woke nonsense would come to a swift end and those who pushed it would’ve been sent to some godforsaken Island to cut trees or something. Enjoy your new potato-based diet and bus pass.

a reply to: Klassified

Orwell forgot that someone like napoleon existed... funny that?

I think you need to look at the deeper side of marxism, to fully grasp that the mad man was onto something by building onto Hegel, and ancients like Aristotle, (he wrote his entire university thesis based off them), his ideas on commodities and capital are very thought provoking, alienation theory and commodity fetishism are ones to look at, as well as the tendency for te rate of profit to fall.

He was very driven and intrigued by technology, and it's impact on society, especially capitalists, as technology grows more advanced so does the need for capitalists to tighten their grip on humans, that was one of his predictions, was he wrong?

a reply to: DBCowboy

You've forced yourself into it... via culture war.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Klassified

Take back power?

What power? Whose power? What is preventing 'the workers' from quitting and starting their own worker owned company?

Decentralization of power?

What power? Whose power? What is preventing 'the workers' from quitting and starting their own worker owned company?

Give workers more say in the means of production?

What power? Whose power? What is preventing 'the workers' from quitting and starting their own worker owned company?

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: DBCowboy

You've forced yourself into it... via culture war.

Yeah, no.

You can't blame me for the Marxists in our country.

They are the ones that are pro-government and anti-Individual.