The Cultural Marxist Revolution

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Klassified

Gonna need some context on that.

You're talking to a guy who is for the working class above all. And understanding Marxism is part of that, just to clarify, I'm not dogmatic about it, 60% of his works are worthless in my opinion.

They are still the same corrupt, traitorous, and seditious bunch they have always been.

a reply to: Klassified

Take back power? Decentralization of power? Give workers more say in the means of production?

Wokeness refers to, being alert to invisible injustices perpetrated against disempowered classes of people. Generally defined on genetically inherited characteristics like race, gender, and sexual orientation. Basically it borrows from the tropes of Marxism. Which was this oppressor/oppressed narrative. But wokeism was not just Marxism, it was the merger of Marxism with identity politics. The idea that, you are nothing more and nothing less than the genetic stock that you inherit on the day you're born. So that's what you sort of refer to as the trend of modern wokeness.

Now, this was a fringe philosophy. This was a theory from the halls of academia. And it was a challenge to the system. It was an interesting set of ideas. Does it mean that it was all coherent? No, not necessarily. But it was interesting, it was provocative, it was a different way of looking at human relations. It was an interesting worldview in some classroom, in some liberal arts university somewhere.

But wokeness at some point, moved from being about being a challenge to the system, to becoming the system. So to really understand the origin story of wokeism, you have to understand academia first. That's where it was born. It was born as an infant there, and became an adolescent somewhere else, but let's start with the infancy. That's where it began.

-Vivek Ramaswamy in Unwoke Inc. (2:47-4:20)

a reply to: Klassified

According to who?

You? WW1 and leading up to WW2 was arguably because of workers standing up for their rights and colonialist capitalist powers attempting to squash peasant revolts, worker uprisings left massive power vacuums worldwide.

The workers movements from the 1860s - 1930s weren't a joke, in Chicago all the rich industrialists were so scared of unions and workers they threw money at the federal government to build a military barracks between where they lived and the factories.

originally posted by: strongfp

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: strongfp

Classical Marxism was rife with corruption from it's inception.

So I feel the term apt considering the end goal is for us to own nothing and be happy.

Corruption, how? Care to point out some examples.

Marx was an angry drunken journalist who hated industrial capitalism and its growing influence on the world. A guy like him pointing out that a handful of fat cats owning monopolies over everything was going to come along.

If Marx were alive today he'd probably align with the American right as he was a free speech absolutist, for the working class, and hated the corrupt rich.

So real Marxism is good, but all the communism for the past couple centuries is bad.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Klassified

Take back power? Decentralization of power? Give workers more say in the means of production?

His solution was revolution. A complete upheaval of society and the remaking of it in his image.

It took me a few minutes to find this. Don't let the title fool you. It's not perfect, but it's a good overview of modern Marxism and its roots.
What critical race theory is really about

I recommend this article to everyone. It's a good primer for further research.

Someone once said that communism is the most perfect form of government. . . . until you add people into it.

The globalists have their marxist woke transgender ideology that is manifesting as this fad going on in the USA. It's destructive of the nuclear family - they say that the state and the teachers supposedly know better how to raise the children than the parents do. Marxism.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Some good, and yes.

a reply to: Klassified

I've read the article.. and it's entirely based off the manifesto.

Is this another Jordan Peterson vrs. Zizek moment?

originally posted by: FlyersFan
The globalists have their marxist transgender ideology that is manifesting as this fad going on in the USA. It's destructive of the nuclear family - they say that the state and the teachers supposedly know better how to raise the children than the parents do. Marxism.

Equity is Marxism, communism.

Equal outcomes.

Capitalism is equal opportunities. But that means competition and working hard, so yeah, it's not going to happen.

a reply to: DBCowboy

The issue arises that if you don't have some people fighting back agaisnt competition being squashed, then what? Capitalism isn't perfect, it needs checks and balances.

Why was standard oil broken up? Why are big tech being targeted right now?

Identity Politics is the furthest thing from Marxist social philosophy as possible with the exception of lunacy like Nazism.

Marxism is all about the unity of the working class and the ending of meaningless distinctions like race & gender. To divide the people by having them argue over stuff like gender & race is an inherently Bourgeois strategy. A proletariat that is divided amongst itself will never unite against the bourgeois after all.

Perhaps the greatest con of modern times was convincing people that “Marxism” and “Socialism” actually mean the opposite to what they are supposed to.

This is why conservatives decry supporters of Neoliberal Corporate Feudalism as “Socialists” even though I don't think there has ever been a system more opposed to the workers than anything before.

a reply to: Ohanka

I'm certainly no expert but I think the old labels of left/right have become redundant.

The division and social problems are being stoked for the purpose of destruction. Add the pandemic and inflation and the cost of living, strikes in the UK, wildfires, media, immigration etc endless problems until people will accept anything in the name of change and then we get the future we wouldn't have tolerated without all this.

That's just my opinion but when people are easily manipulated it doesn't take much to manufacture the situation that we find ourselves in right now.

a reply to: Ohanka

You lot want rid of individualism, freedom of thought and opinions.
Instead you want everyone to think alike, look alike, belong to the state and own nothing.

This means you are owned pawns by whatever leader comes along and you have to obey every whim or you'll get punished.
He can withold food if you don't dance the dance he wants you to do.
Utterly helpless and dependent.

Sounds a bit like a really nightmarish religious cult you can't escape.

This is only an ideal for scardy whimps who need someone to hold their hands. Gen -z and Millennials.
Why don't you move to communist countries and leave intelligent adults to be masters of their own life?

It's not freedom you want, you seem to love being oppressed, without a personally chosen future and treated like cattle.
Because that is what your wish for communism pans out as.
It has never ever worked out great for the minions.

Communism is hell. Some of us here have seen this first hand.
You are already good comrades, because you are pedalling your own demise for your leader. Probably Klausi Schwab or another brutal git who cares not about you at all.

You never learned the bad sides of communism, and it's all of it. Only in theory does it look mildly goodish. In practice it's a life of suffering, oppression, fear and suspicion. Often starvation and death.
You won't be able to even trust your best friend.

If any of your proponents of this s#y system lived for one week under proper communism youd be crying and begging for your life as it is now. This is what happens when you never do any real research but let yourself be brainwashed by other equally uninformed people.

Beware what you wish for, cause it might very much come true.

I'd like this thread to be a reference when (especially in trans threads) posters decry that they are being called Marxists for promoting some of their insanity.

This is why we call you Marxists.

Just read the OP.

The struggle is between globalism and nationalism. Not Capitalism vs Marxism. Both the globalist and nationalists are capitalists.

Nationalists want to matain the laws and social mores of their country, state or localities because that is from where they derive their capitalist and social power base.

Globalists want to destroy the laws and social mores of specific counties, states and localities because they undermin the global capitalist and social power base.

It just so happens that in the US and other western countries the Globalists have latched on to what was once considered the "counter culture" because this was the group that could be influenced by the globalists agenda due to their already existing struggles with the current group of Nationalists.

Globalists don't care about "woke ideology" except for the fact that it is a tool they can use to placate their chosen power base. For example the globalists will drop their disproportionate support for the trans movement the minute its stops being a controversial subject; at which time the trans-people will be excepted to get in line behind everyone else.

In contrast the Nationalists don't care about traditional conservative values except to use them to maintain the social structure that keeps them on top.

Conservatism and Liberalism are a power struggle that existed amongst the "Nationalists" before globalism came along. Its an outdated social construct.

originally posted by: Ohanka
Identity Politics is the furthest thing from Marxist social philosophy as possible with the exception of lunacy like Nazism.

Marxism is all about the unity of the working class and the ending of meaningless distinctions like race & gender. To divide the people by having them argue over stuff like gender & race is an inherently Bourgeois strategy. A proletariat that is divided amongst itself will never unite against the bourgeois after all.

Perhaps the greatest con of modern times was convincing people that “Marxism” and “Socialism” actually mean the opposite to what they are supposed to.

This is why conservatives decry supporters of Neoliberal Corporate Feudalism as “Socialists” even though I don't think there has ever been a system more opposed to the workers than anything before.

How would Marxism work in the US with a Constitution?

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: DBCowboy

The issue arises that if you don't have some people fighting back agaisnt competition being squashed, then what? Capitalism isn't perfect, it needs checks and balances.

Why was standard oil broken up? Why are big tech being targeted right now?

Capitalism isn't perfect.

I think we can both agree on that.

a reply to: Hecate666

This is what communism turned into, a failed forced experiment. But has fundamentally not much to do with marxism...

Marxism is a philosophy. Communism is an end goal.