Which Person Would Go To Heaven?

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Cwantas

You shall have no other God's before me

i am not aware that there is room for interpretation other than what I said?

From your perspective.

Funny, another thread had me thinking about this.

So, what happened to all those "souls" who died before the bible was written? No heaven for them? Or the Amazon tribes that never heard of the bible?

Personally, I don't believe in "Heaven."

I believe there is something after death, as I believe we have a soul that leaves our body. While I do believe in reincarnation, I also believe there is something else, an "in between". What that entails?
I've read a lot about what it could be, but we won't know for sure until we get there.

a reply to: Peeple

Actually?
Maybe not? Although not in the way the bible says. Maybe they misinterpreted it?

According to other beliefs, your soul is just energy, that, when it leaves the body, returns to the "Source", the "All", whatever you choose to call it.
So that all may learn from your life experiences, lessons, ect.
And you just "hang out" there, until you decide to be reborn or not?

Just a thought.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: Deetermined

So it's not voices in your head...

Sounds like a nice description for consensual possession. That indeed can apear as free will, but Is it really yours...

Do you even remeber the one doing the free will before you gave yourself up to an anthropomorphic being?

Call it what you want, but during the time that I was relying on my own poor choices and decisions, my life was sucking. Now it's not.

a reply to: Techno92LFC

Who's bias do you seek?

Some say there's a bouncer on the door, others say anyone who believes in Jesus. Sometimes scales are involved?

Muslims debate the same thing when it comes to Jannah, all I can say is exclusive clubs tend to be a bit of a let down unless you've got time and/or money to spend.

Where does a born again Christian go who happened to be a Muslim and is a freemason? Many here would say to hell. Based as the kids say these days.

a reply to: Techno92LFC

I'll just mention an older song: "Everyone wants to go to Heaven, but nobody wants to die".

a reply to: Techno92LFC

Who Going To Heaven ?

So you acknowledge I'm qualified to judge ...

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Cwantas

J.C. didn't make it to 'heaven'.
It is right there in the Abrahamic lore if you would care enough to think about it:
have no God next to me he said.
So in that context declaring yourself God or equal to God is the original sin of Christianity.

1 John 5:7

7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

John 14:6-11

6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

7 “If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.”

8 Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.”

9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.

11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.

This question assumes everyone has the exact same experience of heaven.

I see heaven as a place where we are known by the repercussions of our actions. This defines who we truly are.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: Techno92LFC

if you don't believe in the bible fantasy, there is also no heaven to go to...

so the heaven of the bible will be populated by every kind of person, and the life they lived is unimportant, so long they submitted themselves to someone else's will, and confess for their sins heaven is open to them.

An eternity of hypocrites and double standards?
thanks but no, thanks.

You do realize there’s more than one “the Bible”, no ?
There are lots of them, one or more for every religion.

If you took the time to study them all, you could probably distill a good central message from all of them. And it’s generally understood that they all are a collection of fables, metaphors, poems, songs, and so on. Written by fallible humans.

And every religion has been used by hucksters to make money, and claim that all others are wrong. Just ignore them.

Use a little adult logic, not just your hate for Christians.

a reply to: Deetermined

You have people that tell a very similar success story but dont belive in God....

To me it seems as if God is just another of those spirits we can connect to and have a beneficial relationship with...

originally posted by: kwakakev
This question assumes everyone has the exact same experience of heaven.

I see heaven as a place where we are known by the repercussions of our actions. This defines who we truly are.

The God of all the different religions knows the human condition. That which makes people selfish and dishonest. Or honest and giving.
The holy books and church systems are hopefully just being used to make people better. They’re not the deciders of who goes where, or where the earth goes.
That would be the real God who decides for all
Of us.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: Deetermined

You have people that tell a very similar success story but dont belive in God....

To me it seems as if God is just another of those spirits we can connect to and have a beneficial relationship with...

I think if you are consistently good to people for a whole life, God will give you credit for living like Him, while not making the connection in your mind.
Believing and devoting yourself to being like God, is likely what most people need to be successful at being good people. We need structure and direction as a whole. Maybe some people don’t. I think they’re rare.

a reply to: stevieray

Believing and devoting yourself to being like God, is likely what most people need to be successful at being good people.

I'm just not the city burning, new newborn slaying type of good guy.
So he'll prolly be disappointed with me not living like him.

How's that for adult logic?

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: stevieray

Believing and devoting yourself to being like God, is likely what most people need to be successful at being good people.

I'm just not the city burning, new newborn slaying type of good guy.
So he'll prolly be disappointed with me not living like him.

How's that for adult logic?

Can you make a point without childish snark and hyperbole ?
Like I said…. Metaphor, simile, fable, etc.
Written by people, inspired by God.

a reply to: stevieray

You answered to my point, insinuating I hated Christians, and I wasn't applying adult logic...

the bibles that are seem to vary quite a bit when it comes to the criteria that allow one into heaven.

Maybe there is a heaven for each Bible?

That or you'll have all kinds of people that did not adhere to the same rules as you, but went to heaven nevertheless.

If you had any understanding of logic, you would have been able to follow it.

a reply to: Techno92LFC

They are both already in heaven.
This is it.
As good as it gets.

a reply to: Deetermined

Thanks for providing the quotes from scripture that kind of prove my point

Which Person Would Go To Heaven?

Maybe neither. Maybe both. Maybe one.
That would be up to God.
We aren't capable of judging a persons soul.

a reply to: pthena

Heaven is now and what you make of it.

Nice thinking