Trump will finally deliver proof of 2020 election Fraud - 2024 now in question?

Yeah it seems legit, he's never come out with this sort of unfounded nonsense before has he...

originally posted by: RazorV66
a reply to: Mahogany

mental incompetence.
Which would also disqualify him from holding office.

Why haven’t they ousted Biden for that yet then?
He is 10Xs worse than Trump.

They haven't indited Biden for the same reason trump didn't indite Hillary, But the "lock her up chant" worked like majic on his devotees.

a reply to: olaru12

Yet those indictment policies don't apply to Trump....


Don't you find that odd at the least, troubling at the worst?

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: olaru12

Yet those indictment policies don't apply to Trump....


Don't you find that odd at the least, troubling at the worst?

If trump had of not bailed on his Monday "proof session" perhaps we would know if the indictments applied or not.

And yes I find it odd that Hillary wasn't indited. He never really intended to indite her anyway and he had plenty of chances. Just political hate meat for his followers.

a reply to: olaru12

You speak to his intention.

Do you think Trump believes the election was faulty, rigged, irregular in count and law etc?

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: olaru12

You speak to his intention.
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Do you think Trump believes the election was faulty, rigged, irregular in count and law etc?

No I don't. He knows the truth but he knows this devotees will believe his lies. Just like some of his followers are threatening the jurors and judge.

www.businessinsider.com...

We both know trumps real plan and it will be a bloody mess. I mean that literally.....

a reply to: olaru12

So rationale is still out the window.

We can try again next year.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: olaru12

So rationale is still out the window.

We can try again next year.

We won't have to wait that long...we will be discussing the aftermath of trumps trial soon enough.

Have you made any preparations for the aftermath?

originally posted by: RazorV66
a reply to: Mahogany

mental incompetence.
Which would also disqualify him from holding office.

Why haven’t they ousted Biden for that yet then?
He is 10Xs worse than Trump.

Because he's never claimed mental incompetence while standing criminal trial.

And no, I don't think Trump will do this, but it is out there as a Hail Mary, last ditch effort if he wants to stay out of prison. He COULD claim that he did not understand anything the advisers were telling him or that he was temporarily insane and could not comprehend what all these people counseled him on. That he was so shocked by the loss, he doesn't even remember what he was doing or saying.

He could claim this, but I think a mental health evaluation would still show that he is not crazy, he knew exactly what he was being told and he knew exactly what he was doing.

But, as a Hail Mary, he could try this.

originally posted by: Mahogany

originally posted by: RazorV66
a reply to: Mahogany

mental incompetence.
Which would also disqualify him from holding office.

Why haven’t they ousted Biden for that yet then?
He is 10Xs worse than Trump.

Because he's never claimed mental incompetence while standing criminal trial.

And no, I don't think Trump will do this, but it is out there as a Hail Mary, last ditch effort if he wants to stay out of prison. He COULD claim that he did not understand anything the advisers were telling him or that he was temporarily insane and could not comprehend what all these people counseled him on. That he was so shocked by the loss, he doesn't even remember what he was doing or saying.

He could claim this, but I think a mental health evaluation would still show that he is not crazy, he knew exactly what he was being told and he knew exactly what he was doing.

But, as a Hail Mary, he could try this.

That’s a lot of wishful, fantasy type thinking.
You guys seem to have a lot of that going on.

a reply to: Ravenwatcher

Absolutely spot on. At this point, all the political melodrama is merely a distraction to keep people from noticing the massive collapse heading our way.

a reply to: Mahogany

Perfect.

Even a Trump hating propagandist knows Trump believed what he says.

You realize that the entire case hinges upon that....right?

But if there is one thing we should take from Trump canceling the show he was going to put up on Monday, it's that he is showing fear, real fear for the first time.

Trump doesn't listen to anyone, he doesn't listen to his advisers, he doesn't listen to his lawyers, family... anyone. And now suddenly, his lawyers told him to keep quiet and he... just does it? Just like that? Cancels his big evidence reveal the next day after he promoted it?

That's fear. That's fear of prison. He's not a crazy man, he knows exactly what's happening. He knows exactly what he did.

a reply to: Mahogany

Speaking of fear.


Is there a reason why you seldom respond to the folks questioning your propaganda?


Is it fear that keeps you away from the propaganda threads you create?

Back on topic.

No one sees this as fear, this is a projection. Does it have something to do with what I said above?

a reply to: Mahogany

Fear? No. Also, it is not about his base. His base, those who believe him, is still growing. It did from 2016 to 2020. It is growing again. Not sure how they are going to explain the DNC winner in 2024 getting 89 million votes.

If we know him, he did the release to test the waters. No one I know is going to suddenly say I hate him because of a press conference. They are all wondering that while Hawaii burns the Ukraine gets 200 billion and F-16's while pumping gas at 4 bucks a gallon wondering what they will do with that 10 year ARM that is suddenly 8 not 3 percent.

originally posted by: bastion
a reply to: carewemust

It seems a wise decision.

In the UK it would be contempt of court to make such statements as a deliberate attempt to cause a trial to collapse, plus it would undermine the defence by providing ammo to the prosecution via 'prior notification'.

Some form of this is true under US laws, though I'm not familiar enough with this to elaborate. From what I've read in passing, this seems to be what Trump is being warned against.

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: bastion
a reply to: carewemust

It seems a wise decision.

In the UK it would be contempt of court to make such statements as a deliberate attempt to cause a trial to collapse, plus it would undermine the defence by providing ammo to the prosecution via 'prior notification'.

Some form of this is true under US laws, though I'm not familiar enough with this to elaborate. From what I've read in passing, this seems to be what Trump is being warned against.

Let us not forget the other 18 co-defendants that this matter also concerns.

It's good that Trump let it made know that he has evidence of election fraud that he plans to use in his defense, and I think it's good that he waits to properly file it with the court.

Once the truth comes out, the media, the J6 committee, and some gov agencies, will have some explaining to do for spreading election lies and much more.

It's vitality important to freedom and democracy that our elections are honest, verifiable, and they follow the law. Ignoring or fostering issues only leads to more issues, it's that simple. Friendly "audits" and limited recounts are unacceptable with the current problems and security risks. It's now more important than ever, that we restore integrity to our elections, and to do so there needs to be a change in mindset that only the truth and whole truth can bring.

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: Byrd

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Byrd

All that is fair.

My question then is, don't you have questions regarding this story?

Yes, but they mainly revolve around 'why didn't anyone reading the story do a fact check of neutral sources on that story'? And 'why is Gateway Pundit making an issue of a 3 year old story that had no impact on the election itself?'

Why is TGP making an issue of a case that involved a rather large amount of election fraud that had no criminal case brought, was handed to the FBI where no investigation was done let alone a criminal case brought and was bankrolled by a company doing this all over the state?

Yea Byrd....i dunno.

I think because that under the law, there's nothing to prosecute.

We've got a company that hired someone who decided to try and cheat to get a paycheck.

The deception was caught when the product was turned over to the client in good faith. Client complained and canceled the fake registrations.

Employee was fired.

Employee was not doing this on behalf of anyone except themselves and the motive was for a paycheck. I suspect that they were found before a paycheck was issued.

So... the client might demand a refund (and probably did because the product was unsatisfactory) but there was no attempt by the company to defraud the client (and the FBI investigated this, as did the police.)

Employee was fired with a black mark on their record. No paycheck. Company fraud like this can either be criminal or civil (see this article on FindLaw for the details).

The only guilty party is the employee and what they're guilty of is trying to game the system to get a paycheck.

What's considered to be a criminal case depends on the state and the laws thereof as well as the national laws. I don't practice law (and certainly not in that state) so I'm not party to why the decision fell as it did. However, it would have been reviewed by judges (to get the search warrants), police officials, and the FBI and (since I don't believe the entire world is engaged in a vast conspiracy), I do think that they know when they're able to get a good prosecution and on what charges.


The other party here is Gateway Pundit and the writer who believes that there must be big conspiracies (never stopping to think that the ones catching this are on all sides of the political spectrum and such a clumsy attempt at a conspiracy was caught before it could actually process) AND the site that rewards writers with attention (and possibly pay) if they have a Big Story that gets caught up by everyone. It's a financial bonus for them.

I do not trust their knowledge of the law and legal processes. Nor, frankly, do I trust their research (it seemed sloppy.)

I understand that we'll end up on opposite sides of fence, here - and we're both entitled to our opinions. But we should acknowledge that neither of us were involved in the investigation and so neither knows the full facts and neither of us are lawyers or lawyers practicing in that particular state.

...and that's about the only real conclusion we can come to, nu?

originally posted by: IndieA
Let us not forget the other 18 co-defendants that this matter also concerns.[/quotTe]

My honest opinion is that they're pretty much hosed. I think some of them are going to take plea bargains.

It's good that Trump let it made know that he has evidence of election fraud that he plans to use in his defense, and I think it's good that he waits to properly file it with the court.

I think that if you follow closely, you aren't going to see any new evidence of election fraud. All the other evidence presented has proved to be false (he lost all but one case and some of the judges were actually Republican and Trump friendly -- or so I've read.)

Once the truth comes out, the media, the J6 committee, and some gov agencies, will have some explaining to do for spreading election lies and much more.

My personal belief is that once the truth comes out, Mr. Trump's allies are going to be facing a lot of fines and jail time, and Mr. Trump will NOT be exonerated. Don't know if you're aware of it (you can look it up) but every Republican since Bush has entered the White House after LOSING the popular vote but winning the Electoral College. He's not as popular as he pretends to be.

It's vitality important to freedom and democracy that our elections are honest, verifiable, and they follow the law. Ignoring or fostering issues only leads to more issues, it's that simple. Friendly "audits" and limited recounts are unacceptable with the current problems and security risks. It's now more important than ever, that we restore integrity to our elections, and to do so there needs to be a change in mindset that only the truth and whole truth can bring.

As I've said so many times, I sincerely hope that you will take the time to go to your local county elections board and ask to be trained as an elections clerk... and then will serve as a clerk. You can better talk about the audit process and behind the scenes because you'll be part of it and you'll be helping preserve the right to vote and the right to a fair election.

I've done it myself. I tell everyone who can to please go and do it. It's one day every year or (local elections) and it's a very important service that we can all do.

I'm so sad about this upcoming election season. We choose an egomaniac, or a walking dead man .