Centers For Disease Control Issues Guidance On Men Properly Breastfeeding Babies.

a reply to: quintessentone

The OP and misleading thread title have been orchestrated to mislead people here and to continue the never-ending trans drama.

Frankly, I blame the CDC for producing such a piss poor account that Fox was able to spin it so easily.

The CDC has a duty -- and therefore the greatest responsibility -- to produce and provide factual comprehensive information to the public, and their failure to specifically include or exclude transgender males is deliberately misleading if not outright dishonest -- a lie by omission.

Especially because the information and recommendations the CDC did provide is applicable to BOTH transgender males and females, which is intellectually dishonest at best. It is deliberate obfuscation and deflection at worst.

The "drama" is a direct and inevitable result of such obvious shenanigans by officials who know better.

Minimizing the reality also contributes to the "drama".

a reply to: quintessentone

If Fox was the first place they saw it, then yes, Fox is the original source. Pretty easy concept there.

Only clickbait in your opinion.

Real facts matter, your "facts" do not.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: quintessentone

The OP and misleading thread title have been orchestrated to mislead people here and to continue the never-ending trans drama.

Frankly, I blame the CDC for producing such a piss poor account that Fox was able to spin it so easily.

The CDC has a duty -- and therefore the greatest responsibility -- to produce and provide factual comprehensive information to the public, and their failure to specifically include or exclude transgender males is deliberately misleading if not outright dishonest -- a lie by omission.

Especially because the information and recommendations the CDC did provide is applicable to BOTH transgender males and females, which is intellectually dishonest at best. It is deliberate obfuscation and deflection at worst.

The "drama" is a direct and inevitable result of such obvious shenanigans by officials who know better.

Minimizing the reality also contributes to the "drama".

Well, reading the CDC details people will read/see/believe what they want to. The first information I read was information for transgendered people who had breast surgery, right there the only trans people wanting breast removal/surgery are women, so naturally my mind went to transmen as the focus of the information.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: quintessentone

The OP and misleading thread title have been orchestrated to mislead people here and to continue the never-ending trans drama.

Frankly, I blame the CDC for producing such a piss poor account that Fox was able to spin it so easily.

The CDC has a duty -- and therefore the greatest responsibility -- to produce and provide factual comprehensive information to the public, and their failure to specifically include or exclude transgender males is deliberately misleading if not outright dishonest -- a lie by omission.

Especially because the information and recommendations the CDC did provide is applicable to BOTH transgender males and females, which is intellectually dishonest at best. It is deliberate obfuscation and deflection at worst.

The "drama" is a direct and inevitable result of such obvious shenanigans by officials who know better.

Minimizing the reality also contributes to the "drama".

the only trans people wanting breast removal/surgery are women, so naturally my mind went to transmen as the focus of the information.

So men going to be women don't want breast surgery? How is a man with fake breast supposed to "feed" a child?

a reply to: quintessentone

Fox news is not credible in this instance as the CDC sources explain in detail. But nobody wants to read those sources, now do they?

I read the sources.

The title is clickbait as if we all went to the CDC source first we all would see they mention only transmen not men nor transwomen, but those facts don't matter, now do they?

This isn't true. Neither trans men nor trans women are specifically mentioned, only "transgender parents" are mentioned, and nowhere does the CDC exclude transgender males. Here is the CDC quote in its entirety:

Can transgender parents who have had breast surgery breastfeed or chestfeed their infants?

Yes. Some transgender parents who have had breast/top surgery may wish to breastfeed, or chestfeed (a term used by some transgender and non-binary parents), their infants. Healthcare providers working with these families should be familiar with medical, emotional, and social aspects of gender transitions to provide optimal family-centered care and meet the nutritional needs of the infant. These families may need help with the following:

• Maximizing milk production
  
• Supplementing with pasteurized donor human milk or formula
  
• Medication to induce lactation or avoiding medications that inhibit lactation
  
• Suppressing lactation (for those choosing not to breastfeed or chestfeed)
  
• Finding appropriate lactation management support, peer support, and/or emotional support

If the CDC intended to exclude men who identify as women, they should have and would have made that distinction. They did not.

originally posted by: PorkChop96

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: quintessentone

The OP and misleading thread title have been orchestrated to mislead people here and to continue the never-ending trans drama.

Frankly, I blame the CDC for producing such a piss poor account that Fox was able to spin it so easily.

The CDC has a duty -- and therefore the greatest responsibility -- to produce and provide factual comprehensive information to the public, and their failure to specifically include or exclude transgender males is deliberately misleading if not outright dishonest -- a lie by omission.

Especially because the information and recommendations the CDC did provide is applicable to BOTH transgender males and females, which is intellectually dishonest at best. It is deliberate obfuscation and deflection at worst.

The "drama" is a direct and inevitable result of such obvious shenanigans by officials who know better.

Minimizing the reality also contributes to the "drama".

the only trans people wanting breast removal/surgery are women, so naturally my mind went to transmen as the focus of the information.

So men going to be women don't want breast surgery? How is a man with fake breast supposed to "feed" a child?

Men going to be women don't want surgical removal, this was the topic I read in the CDC...breast removal and information on how to breastfeed after that type of surgery. Hence the leap to 'transmen'. Simple enough to understand, no?

Ask CDC how is a man with fake breast suppose to feed a child.

So don’t drink coffee while breast feeding- bad for the baby. cocktail of hormones and drugs to promote secondary sex characteristics? Who cares it’s good for em, it’ll put hair on their chest.

a reply to: carewemust

a reply to: quintessentone

The CDC article says "had breast/top surgery", not breast removal. Which can be had going both ways. Simple enough to understand?

The topic at hand is trans people beast feeding their children, you wanted to comment on it, I am asking you.

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

The CDC article says "had breast/top surgery", not breast removal. Which can be had going both ways. Simple enough to understand?

The topic at hand is trans people beast feeding their children, you wanted to comment on it, I am asking you.

Read the whole thing is has information for breast removal, but you just want to cherry pick and trans people does not translate to 'men', am I right?

a reply to: quintessentone

Well, the article itself is about breast feeding in general, yes. Got me there

But, there is a section on "Can transgender parents who have had breast surgery breastfeed or chestfeed their infants?", not sure how that is "cherry picking" anything.

a reply to: quintessentone

Well, reading the CDC details people will read/see/believe what they want to.

Indeed.

The first information I read was information for transgendered people who had breast surgery, right there the only trans people wanting breast removal/surgery are women, so naturally my mind went to transmen as the focus of the information.

Men who identify as women also have breast surgery, albeit breast augmentation as opposed to breast reduction. Breast augmentation may or may not impede milk production, flow and breastfeeding, depending on various factors.

Your layman's mind naturally going to women is understandable and forgiveable. But not the CDC. They know better and they have a duty to do better. Especially because so many mind's naturally go to what they personally know, or what they simply want to believe.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: PorkChop96

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: quintessentone

The OP and misleading thread title have been orchestrated to mislead people here and to continue the never-ending trans drama.

Frankly, I blame the CDC for producing such a piss poor account that Fox was able to spin it so easily.

The CDC has a duty -- and therefore the greatest responsibility -- to produce and provide factual comprehensive information to the public, and their failure to specifically include or exclude transgender males is deliberately misleading if not outright dishonest -- a lie by omission.

Especially because the information and recommendations the CDC did provide is applicable to BOTH transgender males and females, which is intellectually dishonest at best. It is deliberate obfuscation and deflection at worst.

The "drama" is a direct and inevitable result of such obvious shenanigans by officials who know better.

Minimizing the reality also contributes to the "drama".

the only trans people wanting breast removal/surgery are women, so naturally my mind went to transmen as the focus of the information.

So men going to be women don't want breast surgery? How is a man with fake breast supposed to "feed" a child?

Men going to be women don't want surgical removal, this was the topic I read in the CDC...breast removal and information on how to breastfeed after that type of surgery. Hence the leap to 'transmen'. Simple enough to understand, no?

Ask CDC how is a man with fake breast suppose to feed a child.

seems arrogant to assume to know what others want for them. Some call this mansplanning if the one doing the assuming can be labeled a man by others.

How can you call someone “men who are going to become women”? What makes them a man first and later a women? Their genitals? If they are looking at surgery to change their sex characteristics, seems as if they have identified as a women, and you still knowingly call them men?

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: quintessentone

Well, reading the CDC details people will read/see/believe what they want to.

Indeed.

The first information I read was information for transgendered people who had breast surgery, right there the only trans people wanting breast removal/surgery are women, so naturally my mind went to transmen as the focus of the information.

Men who identify as women also have breast surgery, albeit breast augmentation as opposed to breast reduction. Breast augmentation may or may not impede milk production, flow and breastfeeding, depending on various factors.

Your layman's mind naturally going to women is understandable and forgiveable. But not the CDC. They know better and they have a duty to do better. Especially because so many mind's naturally go to what they personally know, or what they simply want to believe.

I'd be the first to agree with you if it were true, but when I read it I immediately was led to believe they were discussing breast removal, hence transmen. Then I read this thread's title and boom, clickbait.

a reply to: quintessentone

Good to know you just disagree/ignore when it comes to replying to me.

originally posted by: PorkChop96
a reply to: quintessentone

Good to know you just disagree/ignore when it comes to replying to me.

If it's on topic then shoot the question again, if it's off topic then you will get nadda.

a reply to: quintessentone

You finally answered it in your last reply, the question just had to come from someone else.

originally posted by: ITSALIVE

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: PorkChop96

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: quintessentone

The OP and misleading thread title have been orchestrated to mislead people here and to continue the never-ending trans drama.

Frankly, I blame the CDC for producing such a piss poor account that Fox was able to spin it so easily.

The CDC has a duty -- and therefore the greatest responsibility -- to produce and provide factual comprehensive information to the public, and their failure to specifically include or exclude transgender males is deliberately misleading if not outright dishonest -- a lie by omission.

Especially because the information and recommendations the CDC did provide is applicable to BOTH transgender males and females, which is intellectually dishonest at best. It is deliberate obfuscation and deflection at worst.

The "drama" is a direct and inevitable result of such obvious shenanigans by officials who know better.

Minimizing the reality also contributes to the "drama".

the only trans people wanting breast removal/surgery are women, so naturally my mind went to transmen as the focus of the information.

So men going to be women don't want breast surgery? How is a man with fake breast supposed to "feed" a child?

Men going to be women don't want surgical removal, this was the topic I read in the CDC...breast removal and information on how to breastfeed after that type of surgery. Hence the leap to 'transmen'. Simple enough to understand, no?

Ask CDC how is a man with fake breast suppose to feed a child.

seems arrogant to assume to know what others want for them. Some call this mansplanning if the one doing the assuming can be labeled a man by others.

How can you call someone “men who are going to become women”? What makes them a man first and later a women? Their genitals? If they are looking at surgery to change their sex characteristics, seems as if they have identified as a women, and you still knowingly call them men?

I'm on this thread to correct the misleading title and what the CDC article's information, from my interpretation, was trying to explain. Everything else has been hashed over and over ad nauseum.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Hecate666

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Boadicea

originally posted by: MrEnergy
a reply to: carewemust

Can you please quote where it says biological men in the CDC page you referenced. I skimmed it multiple times and could not find it. However, you quoted Foxnews, which to my understanding, has intentionally misinformed you. The CDC page says transgender parents, and as far as I know, a biological woman is completely capable of breastfeeding, even after damage has been done to the breasts, which they state in the CDC page you linked.

Not to speak for the OP, only speaking for myself, not mentioning male lactation efforts and results IS the problem. Because it is happening -- not often apparently, but if it's happening at all, then it needs to be addressed.

Given the covert and insidious tactics used to implement the trans agenda, and given that we know male "chestfeeding" is happening, it is not reassuring that males were neither included nor excluded by the CDC. It is, rather, disturbing and suspicious.

Are you implying the CDC is using covert and insidious science to implement the trans agenda?

I was just reading an article where biological men are capable of lactating, it's only a google search away.

I once searched for this inane belief. Here is what I found then. It happens in a few males and it is absolutely not a mother's good, healthy milk. I don't know what it is but it's extremely rare, it's an abnormality and it isn't mother milk.
I won't share a link either, but would if you share yours. Which you won't because it will say the same thing I just said.

You would probably believe that what comes out of a bull's penis is as good as what comes out of a milk cow's udder. Just to further the insane agenda of feelz vs reality.

Skip the foxnews and other sources from the OP, these sources explain, specifically, guidance for transmen, with surgically removed breasts, are able to breastfeed.

Don't jump on the trans bashing wagon, it's an ugly look and feelz.

Chestfeeding: A term used by many masculine-identified trans people to describe the act of feeding their baby from their chest, regardless of whether they have had chest/top surgery (to alter or remove mammary tissue)

www.cdc.gov...

www.liebertpub.com...

The title of this thread is clickbait, should be ...transmen not men.

You do know transmen are women and transwomen are men?

Naturally a transwoman cannot breastfeed as this person is a biological male. And being male never changes regardless of the mental gymnastics tried on this thread and other.

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Hecate666

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Boadicea

originally posted by: MrEnergy
a reply to: carewemust

Can you please quote where it says biological men in the CDC page you referenced. I skimmed it multiple times and could not find it. However, you quoted Foxnews, which to my understanding, has intentionally misinformed you. The CDC page says transgender parents, and as far as I know, a biological woman is completely capable of breastfeeding, even after damage has been done to the breasts, which they state in the CDC page you linked.

Not to speak for the OP, only speaking for myself, not mentioning male lactation efforts and results IS the problem. Because it is happening -- not often apparently, but if it's happening at all, then it needs to be addressed.

Given the covert and insidious tactics used to implement the trans agenda, and given that we know male "chestfeeding" is happening, it is not reassuring that males were neither included nor excluded by the CDC. It is, rather, disturbing and suspicious.

Are you implying the CDC is using covert and insidious science to implement the trans agenda?

I was just reading an article where biological men are capable of lactating, it's only a google search away.

I once searched for this inane belief. Here is what I found then. It happens in a few males and it is absolutely not a mother's good, healthy milk. I don't know what it is but it's extremely rare, it's an abnormality and it isn't mother milk.
I won't share a link either, but would if you share yours. Which you won't because it will say the same thing I just said.

You would probably believe that what comes out of a bull's penis is as good as what comes out of a milk cow's udder. Just to further the insane agenda of feelz vs reality.

Skip the foxnews and other sources from the OP, these sources explain, specifically, guidance for transmen, with surgically removed breasts, are able to breastfeed.

Don't jump on the trans bashing wagon, it's an ugly look and feelz.

Chestfeeding: A term used by many masculine-identified trans people to describe the act of feeding their baby from their chest, regardless of whether they have had chest/top surgery (to alter or remove mammary tissue)

www.cdc.gov...

www.liebertpub.com...

The title of this thread is clickbait, should be ...transmen not men.

You do know transmen are women and transwomen are men?

Naturally a transwoman cannot breastfeed as this person is a biological male. And being male never changes regardless of the mental gymnastics tried on this thread and other.

Where in the CDC article does it refer to a transwoman breastfeeding? Dig it up and post it here, please.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: AlienBorg

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Hecate666

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Boadicea

originally posted by: MrEnergy
a reply to: carewemust

Can you please quote where it says biological men in the CDC page you referenced. I skimmed it multiple times and could not find it. However, you quoted Foxnews, which to my understanding, has intentionally misinformed you. The CDC page says transgender parents, and as far as I know, a biological woman is completely capable of breastfeeding, even after damage has been done to the breasts, which they state in the CDC page you linked.

Not to speak for the OP, only speaking for myself, not mentioning male lactation efforts and results IS the problem. Because it is happening -- not often apparently, but if it's happening at all, then it needs to be addressed.

Given the covert and insidious tactics used to implement the trans agenda, and given that we know male "chestfeeding" is happening, it is not reassuring that males were neither included nor excluded by the CDC. It is, rather, disturbing and suspicious.

Are you implying the CDC is using covert and insidious science to implement the trans agenda?

I was just reading an article where biological men are capable of lactating, it's only a google search away.

I once searched for this inane belief. Here is what I found then. It happens in a few males and it is absolutely not a mother's good, healthy milk. I don't know what it is but it's extremely rare, it's an abnormality and it isn't mother milk.
I won't share a link either, but would if you share yours. Which you won't because it will say the same thing I just said.

You would probably believe that what comes out of a bull's penis is as good as what comes out of a milk cow's udder. Just to further the insane agenda of feelz vs reality.

Skip the foxnews and other sources from the OP, these sources explain, specifically, guidance for transmen, with surgically removed breasts, are able to breastfeed.

Don't jump on the trans bashing wagon, it's an ugly look and feelz.

Chestfeeding: A term used by many masculine-identified trans people to describe the act of feeding their baby from their chest, regardless of whether they have had chest/top surgery (to alter or remove mammary tissue)

www.cdc.gov...

www.liebertpub.com...

The title of this thread is clickbait, should be ...transmen not men.

You do know transmen are women and transwomen are men?

Naturally a transwoman cannot breastfeed as this person is a biological male. And being male never changes regardless of the mental gymnastics tried on this thread and other.

Where in the CDC article does it refer to a transwoman breastfeeding? Dig it up and post it here, please.

Biological men trying to breastfeed their infants.
Just read the OP. I ve never seen a biological male trying to breastfeed. That the job of a biological female. But these biological roles mean nothing to the trans-lobby