Very strange-what's going on with twitter??

originally posted by: MrInquisitive
a reply to: AlienBorg

@AB, you wrote:

Fauci himself lied several times promoting false claims and misinformation. Are you one supporting him? Fauci lied in Congress about the origins of the virus and Wuhan research.

ou proved nothing of what you claimed. You just used some headlines claiming transphobes and bigots murdered some people. That's not any evidence. That's speculation.

You can do better than that.

Twitter can hold all views btw. It doesn't try to censor all the wrongdoings made during the Covid pandemic.

If you bothered to read what I wrote, I had problems with some of Fauci's rhetoric as well; however, dismissing the benefit of some of the quack cures was not something he said I disagreed with. And it isn't just about Fauci and what he said, as you and your facile-argument-making fellow travelers like to claim. It is about the prevalence of the medical information provided, based on sound research. Again, it doesn't seem to be the case that you even bother to look at the articles I cite. The ones on Covid involved reports from scientific organizations.

As for the article about the two recent killings by transphobes, did you even bother to read the article? An old man kills a female neighbor because he thinks the person is a transexual when in fact the person is biologically a woman, and the killer says he would do the same thing again. You claiming this is not a hate crime? If so, you're full of it. As to how this transphobia developed in this person, to the point he thought a biological woman was a trans woman, where the hell do you think it came from? If you are going to claim it came from anywhere else than social media or online and/or cable news sites, you're again full of it.

And your response to the evidence I have provided you is "you can do better"? Really? What a pathetic response from someone who has provided no evidence whatsoever to validate their claims. And remember this is just a side topic. Your created this thread because of a cock-up with Twitter, and it's been shown to you multiple times that Twitter is floundering and that it is your hero, Elon Musk's fault. Whether you like it or not, your idealized social media site is a money loser. Again, it's the invisible hand of the market at work. Evidently what you refer to as woke culture makes up more than half of the market. You're even ignoring Musk's own admittance to the fact that Twitter has lost at least $20 billion of its value from what he paid for it.

Also, you have entirely avoided addressing the matter of Musk's Twitter catering more to the censorship of political content in other countries than the previously publicly owned Twitter. The fact that you have nothing to same on the subject shows your intellectual dishonesty on the topic of Twitter and censorship.

You're using language which is part of this gender ideology and some headlines allegedly making connections between two killings and people's motivations. Nowhere you have provided proof of what motivated the killings, it's just speculation.

The terms bigotry and trabsphobia are meaningless btw and appeared in the last few years in the public scene. They do serve a purpose btw.

The amount of misinformation online about Covid is incredible. Most comes from official courses and it's a reason why not many trust governments and officials anymore. Twitter has allowed the discussion and reinstated the accounts of many critics of this Covid campaign, including well known scientists who were banned either for stating facts or for pointing to the flaws of the response to Covid, the harmful lockdowns, the vaccine side effects, and a number of other issues.

I didn't make this thread to criticise twitter for any of the above reasons. I don't have an account on twitter but the platform has been the most open since Elon took over. The reason this thread was made was because until now you were able to view tweets and follow the people you wanted to follow without having an account. You cannot longer do this, but you can still view some of the tweets.

Twitter is not an idealised social media platform. That's a big strawman and never said anything about it. I will say for once more I don't have a twitter account. The claims he is loosing or the media is bankrupt and so on are coming from the usual suspects who can't accept their woke views will not go unchallenged anymore.

a reply to: MrInquisitive


Just to make it clear.

Trabsphobia, bigotry, cisgender, transgender, gender ideology, are all made up terms. They didn't exist 10-15 years ago. They're part of the gender ideology vocabulary and not many of us are using them.

Twitter allows to criticise all the flaws and ridiculous arguments made in the name of gender ideology.

What does ciswoman mean? It's just a meaningless term. The current word is woman. You're free to state this on twitter but not in all platforms.

What is a transwoman? Can you transition first of all? The answer is no, you can't. A transwoman is a biological male so still a man. You can state this fact on twitter.

You can state many facts on twitter, you can state your political views, your criticism to the government vaccine propaganda or lockdowns. You can have your views on the world economic forum or on the election's integrity without getting your account suspended.

Imo it would have been better if we were still able to view tweets and follow accounts without having an account. But the platform doesn't belong to me.

a reply to: AlienBorg

You're the one who started bringing up gender ideology with regards to Twitter. And speaking of twits, I can't believe that anyone would claim that bigotry or transphobia are made up terms. First off, transphobia. There are people who go through gender reassignment surgery, whether you or others like it or acknowledge it or not. And people who espouse hate for such persons, or deny such persons existence, and most definitely people who advocate for violence against such persons or commit acts of violence against such persons or their defenders are most certainly transphobic. The first transexual English person changed their gender in 1944, the first American in 1952, so transgenderism was a thing before the hydrogen bomb. Does that make the H-bomb a made-up term? The first transistor was developed in 1947, so I guess that is a made-up term according to you as well. Evidently you don't grasp the concept of English being a living language in which new words come into being, and some older words become redundant.

As for the more general form of prejudice which is bigotry, I can't believe you're claiming it is some made up and recent term. From dictionary.com:

bigotry -- stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

Yep, that purdee much describes one of us.

From wikipedia:

The origin of the word bigot in English dates back to at least 1598, via French. It started with the sense of "religious hypocrite", especially a woman.

But wait, it gets better and older:

Some etymologists believe the Old French version of bigot, which means “sanctimonious,” was used by the French to mock the Normans, a people who lived in France and invaded Britain in 1066. Allegedly, the Normans used the Old English expression bi God so often that the French nicknamed them bigots. This idea is backed up by the fact that the French during Joan of Arc’s time called the English the “goddamns.”

The Surprising Origin Of The Word “Bigot”

Although you won't acknowledge it, I have completely repudiated and refuted your claims about the words "transphobe/transphobia" and "bigotry".

As for made-up recent words, I really hope that you will never, ever use that made up term "internet", which was originally coined in 1974, and only reached common parlance in the early 90's.

"Twitter is not an idealised social media platform." No kidding. Except you do seem to consider it in its current form as being a sacred cow of free speech, which I have shown not to be the case multiple times. As for your claim:

The claims he is loosing or the media is bankrupt and so on are coming from the usual suspects who can't accept their woke views will not go unchallenged anymore.

What a load of malarkey. I have provided you a reference to an investment firm that has stated that the values of their investment in Twitter has decreased by two thirds. I also provided an article about a leaked memo by Musk himself saying that the company has lost $20 billion in value from his purchase price of it. And he has publicly stated -- on Twitter no less -- that advertiser revenue is down by 50 percent, and he has also Tweeted that Twitter has major business problems and that it might still flounder. Then there are all the legal battles and costs, as well as possible liability costs, ahead for Twitter on account of how it has handled the transition under the new ownership. This isn't about any supposed woke ideology, but rather your slavish and cultish devotion to Twitter under Musk. This business analysis of Twitter has jack to do with supposed woke ideology, and a considerable amount to do with Musk stamping his own ideology onto Twitter. Generally speaking, a CEO making cavalier policy decisions regarding a recently purchased business in a field he knows next to nothing about, and basing this policy on his own personal beliefs, is not a good business strategy. No wokeness there, just common sense.

In your hero's own words:

Elon Musk says Twitter is still losing cash because advertising has dropped by half.

In a reply to a tweet offering business advice, Musk tweeted Saturday, “We’re still negative cash flow, due to (about a) 50% drop in advertising revenue plus heavy debt load.”

Elon Musk Says Twitter Is Losing Cash Because Advertising Is Down

How you going to blame that one on the usual woke suspects -- whoever they are in your mind?

originally posted by: AlienBorg
a reply to: MrInquisitive


Just to make it clear.

Trabsphobia, bigotry, cisgender, transgender, gender ideology, are all made up terms. They didn't exist 10-15 years ago. They're part of the gender ideology vocabulary and not many of us are using them.

Twitter allows to criticise all the flaws and ridiculous arguments made in the name of gender ideology.

What does ciswoman mean? It's just a meaningless term. The current word is woman. You're free to state this on twitter but not in all platforms.

What is a transwoman? Can you transition first of all? The answer is no, you can't. A transwoman is a biological male so still a man. You can state this fact on twitter.

You can state many facts on twitter, you can state your political views, your criticism to the government vaccine propaganda or lockdowns. You can have your views on the world economic forum or on the election's integrity without getting your account suspended.

Imo it would have been better if we were still able to view tweets and follow accounts without having an account. But the platform doesn't belong to me.

You really don't the fact that bigotry applies to a lot more than just transphobia. And are you going to also argue that "homophobia is a made-up word? Transphobia is just an extension of this same method of creating words necessary to describe things in the real world. Transphobia was added to the Oxford dictionary in 2013. Homophobia was a term coined in in the 60's. Are you going to claim that homophobia didn't exist up until then or even deny its existence altogether. As I already explained to you, English is a living language in which new terms are added as needed in order to describe things in the world. The phrase "Type 2 Childhood Diabetes" is also a recent term. Are you also arguing that it is a made-up term describing a made-up condition?

Newsflash: you and your fellow gender ideologues don't get to decide what are real and made-up words and phrases.

And as I have already acknowledged, Elon Musk and Twitter are free to make Twitter's content policy whatever he wants it to be at a particular moment, assuming he has IT people to make it so. Whether it is a good policy or healthy for society is a whole other matter. As I have pointed out numerous times now, the invisible hand of the free market seems to be disenchanted with the road Musk is leading Twitter down, and his screw-up that was the cause for this thread in the first place -- and has nothing whatsoever to do with wokeness -- is just one indicator of this.

And contrary to your claims, as I have already pointed out, people in some countries no longer have free speech on Twitter on account of the fact that Twitter will censor speech in those countries. And it is doing this about 60 percent more often than Twitter did before Musk bought it. So your claims that Twitter is censorship free is a bunch of BS.

originally posted by: MrInquisitive
a reply to: AlienBorg

You're the one who started bringing up gender ideology with regards to Twitter. And speaking of twits, I can't believe that anyone would claim that bigotry or transphobia are made up terms. First off, transphobia. There are people who go through gender reassignment surgery, whether you or others like it or acknowledge it or not. And people who espouse hate for such persons, or deny such persons existence, and most definitely people who advocate for violence against such persons or commit acts of violence against such persons or their defenders are most certainly transphobic. The first transexual English person changed their gender in 1944, the first American in 1952, so transgenderism was a thing before the hydrogen bomb. Does that make the H-bomb a made-up term? The first transistor was developed in 1947, so I guess that is a made-up term according to you as well. Evidently you don't grasp the concept of English being a living language in which new words come into being, and some older words become redundant.

As for the more general form of prejudice which is bigotry, I can't believe you're claiming it is some made up and recent term. From dictionary.com:

bigotry -- stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

Yep, that purdee much describes one of us.

From wikipedia:

The origin of the word bigot in English dates back to at least 1598, via French. It started with the sense of "religious hypocrite", especially a woman.

But wait, it gets better and older:

Some etymologists believe the Old French version of bigot, which means “sanctimonious,” was used by the French to mock the Normans, a people who lived in France and invaded Britain in 1066. Allegedly, the Normans used the Old English expression bi God so often that the French nicknamed them bigots. This idea is backed up by the fact that the French during Joan of Arc’s time called the English the “goddamns.”

The Surprising Origin Of The Word “Bigot”

Although you won't acknowledge it, I have completely repudiated and refuted your claims about the words "transphobe/transphobia" and "bigotry".

As for made-up recent words, I really hope that you will never, ever use that made up term "internet", which was originally coined in 1974, and only reached common parlance in the early 90's.

"Twitter is not an idealised social media platform." No kidding. Except you do seem to consider it in its current form as being a sacred cow of free speech, which I have shown not to be the case multiple times. As for your claim:

The claims he is loosing or the media is bankrupt and so on are coming from the usual suspects who can't accept their woke views will not go unchallenged anymore.

What a load of malarkey. I have provided you a reference to an investment firm that has stated that the values of their investment in Twitter has decreased by two thirds. I also provided an article about a leaked memo by Musk himself saying that the company has lost $20 billion in value from his purchase price of it. And he has publicly stated -- on Twitter no less -- that advertiser revenue is down by 50 percent, and he has also Tweeted that Twitter has major business problems and that it might still flounder. Then there are all the legal battles and costs, as well as possible liability costs, ahead for Twitter on account of how it has handled the transition under the new ownership. This isn't about any supposed woke ideology, but rather your slavish and cultish devotion to Twitter under Musk. This business analysis of Twitter has jack to do with supposed woke ideology, and a considerable amount to do with Musk stamping his own ideology onto Twitter. Generally speaking, a CEO making cavalier policy decisions regarding a recently purchased business in a field he knows next to nothing about, and basing this policy on his own personal beliefs, is not a good business strategy. No wokeness there, just common sense.

In your hero's own words:

Elon Musk says Twitter is still losing cash because advertising has dropped by half.

In a reply to a tweet offering business advice, Musk tweeted Saturday, “We’re still negative cash flow, due to (about a) 50% drop in advertising revenue plus heavy debt load.”

Elon Musk Says Twitter Is Losing Cash Because Advertising Is Down

How you going to blame that one on the usual woke suspects -- whoever they are in your mind?

You're using these terms which are meaningless as part of your arguments. But I say again they are meaningless and they didn't exist just a few years ago. Nobody was using them.

I am not interested in the history of 'transgenderism' or 'transexualism'. You made a whole paragraph about it which is irrelevant to the thread. Human beings cannot change their sex/gender. This is a fact. Claiming otherwise is antiscientific online misinformation.

You haven't refuted anything you have claimed you have refuted. The words you're using are meaningless. There is no word 'transphobia' because it's a made up which you couldn't find 10-15 years ago.

Gender ideology rightfully criticised on twitter and for which the woke crowd can't easily digest they don't have anymore a safe space where they can push their ideologies. What is refuted is gender ideology itself and the various claims made on its name

Let me remind you why I made this thread as you dont seem to be sure

didn't make this thread to criticise twitter for any of the above reasons. I don't have an account on twitter but the platform has been the most open since Elon took over. The reason this thread was made was because until now you were able to view tweets and follow the people you wanted to follow without having an account. You cannot longer do this, but you can still view some of the tweets.

The fact you can find some terms on the dictionary doesn't validate the meaning of these terms or the fact they have been made up. You can also find terms like

Telekinesis

the supposed ability to move objects at a distance by mental power or other non-physical means.

Transexualism
Transsexualism refers to a condition or belief which results in gender dysphoria in individuals and makes them insist that their biological gender is different from their psychological and experienced gender.

One is a supposed ability never been observed the other a belief having no basis in reality

I am sure on twitter you can criticise both without getting your account suspended.

The loosing cash arguments on twitter are just desperate attempts because the game has been lost and no more woke culture governing the platform.

You dint seem to be making cogent-convincing arguments about what you believe to be true.

More on Musk's heinous business practices at Twitter:

Former Twitter employees allege that the once-mighty tech giant is stalling arbitration in almost 900 cases by refusing to pay its legal bills, according to court records filed Monday.

After taking over the company in October, Twitter CEO Elon Musk terminated thousands of people; Musk himself said he had axed 80% of the payroll as of mid-April. Many of these former employees had signed contracts agreeing to resolve any disputes arising from their employment at Twitter through arbitration, which corporations largely prefer in order to avoid potentially embarrassing and costly trials.

But Twitter is now refusing to pay the arbitrator, according to a proposed class action lawsuit filed in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California.

The result is that 891 cases are currently stalled, barring many former employees from compensation allegedly owed to them.

Under many Twitter employment agreements, the ex-employee is supposed to pay a nominal filing fee to Judicial Arbitration and Mediation Services (JAMS), and all other costs must be paid by Twitter, court documents say.

The company had been cooperating with the arbitration process since Musk’s takeover late last year. But Twitter allegedly began stonewalling in early June by refusing to pay JAMS as previously agreed.

The company wanted the fees split evenly among the parties, which the ex-employees refused to do.

The new lawsuit comes as Twitter faces deep financial straits spurred by Musk’s abrupt and often chaotic changes to the platform, which has been dragged down by extremist content. The New York Times reported in early June that Twitter’s ad sales had plummeted after major advertisers fled the platform.

Twitter’s ability to pay its bills has been called into frequent question under Musk, who frequently tops lists of the world’s richest people.

In recent months, the company’s landlords have sued it for not paying rent on some of Twitter’s offices and for not paying for office services such as janitors. According to reports by Platformer and The Wall Street Journal, the company also clashed with Google Cloud over its server bills.

In April, Twitter’s former senior director of compensation, Mark Schobinger, accused the company of failing to pay out millions in promised bonuses.

Other proposed class action suits have alleged that Twitter’s layoffs unfairly targeted women and that the company violated federal disability law by mandating 12-hour workdays.

Ex-Employees Say Twitter Is Stalling Arbitration By Refusing To Pay Bills

This isn't about wokeness. It's about a deadbeat employer, who is one of the richest men in the world, attempting to get out of business and legal obligations. A deadbeat billionaire who's in good company with the former president.

originally posted by: MrInquisitive

originally posted by: AlienBorg
a reply to: MrInquisitive


Just to make it clear.

Trabsphobia, bigotry, cisgender, transgender, gender ideology, are all made up terms. They didn't exist 10-15 years ago. They're part of the gender ideology vocabulary and not many of us are using them.

Twitter allows to criticise all the flaws and ridiculous arguments made in the name of gender ideology.

What does ciswoman mean? It's just a meaningless term. The current word is woman. You're free to state this on twitter but not in all platforms.

What is a transwoman? Can you transition first of all? The answer is no, you can't. A transwoman is a biological male so still a man. You can state this fact on twitter.

You can state many facts on twitter, you can state your political views, your criticism to the government vaccine propaganda or lockdowns. You can have your views on the world economic forum or on the election's integrity without getting your account suspended.

Imo it would have been better if we were still able to view tweets and follow accounts without having an account. But the platform doesn't belong to me.

You really don't the fact that bigotry applies to a lot more than just transphobia. And are you going to also argue that "homophobia is a made-up word? Transphobia is just an extension of this same method of creating words necessary to describe things in the real world. Transphobia was added to the Oxford dictionary in 2013. Homophobia was a term coined in in the 60's. Are you going to claim that homophobia didn't exist up until then or even deny its existence altogether. As I already explained to you, English is a living language in which new terms are added as needed in order to describe things in the world. The phrase "Type 2 Childhood Diabetes" is also a recent term. Are you also arguing that it is a made-up term describing a made-up condition?

Newsflash: you and your fellow gender ideologues don't get to decide what are real and made-up words and phrases.

And as I have already acknowledged, Elon Musk and Twitter are free to make Twitter's content policy whatever he wants it to be at a particular moment, assuming he has IT people to make it so. Whether it is a good policy or healthy for society is a whole other matter. As I have pointed out numerous times now, the invisible hand of the free market seems to be disenchanted with the road Musk is leading Twitter down, and his screw-up that was the cause for this thread in the first place -- and has nothing whatsoever to do with wokeness -- is just one indicator of this.

And contrary to your claims, as I have already pointed out, people in some countries no longer have free speech on Twitter on account of the fact that Twitter will censor speech in those countries. And it is doing this about 60 percent more often than Twitter did before Musk bought it. So your claims that Twitter is censorship free is a bunch of BS.

All phobias related terms used by the gender ideologues are made up terms.
Phobia = fear

I can't remember anyone who I know or used to know who is fearful of gay people or trans

And contrary to your claims, as I have already pointed out, people in some countries no longer have free speech on Twitter on account of the fact that Twitter will censor speech in those countries. And it is doing this about 60 percent more often than Twitter did before Musk bought it. So your claims that Twitter is censorship free is a bunch of BS.

You haven't shown any of these and your claims are not true. It's baseless claims.

originally posted by: MrInquisitive
More on Musk's heinous business practices at Twitter:

Former Twitter employees allege that the once-mighty tech giant is stalling arbitration in almost 900 cases by refusing to pay its legal bills, according to court records filed Monday.

After taking over the company in October, Twitter CEO Elon Musk terminated thousands of people; Musk himself said he had axed 80% of the payroll as of mid-April. Many of these former employees had signed contracts agreeing to resolve any disputes arising from their employment at Twitter through arbitration, which corporations largely prefer in order to avoid potentially embarrassing and costly trials.

But Twitter is now refusing to pay the arbitrator, according to a proposed class action lawsuit filed in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California.

The result is that 891 cases are currently stalled, barring many former employees from compensation allegedly owed to them.

Under many Twitter employment agreements, the ex-employee is supposed to pay a nominal filing fee to Judicial Arbitration and Mediation Services (JAMS), and all other costs must be paid by Twitter, court documents say.

The company had been cooperating with the arbitration process since Musk’s takeover late last year. But Twitter allegedly began stonewalling in early June by refusing to pay JAMS as previously agreed.

The company wanted the fees split evenly among the parties, which the ex-employees refused to do.

The new lawsuit comes as Twitter faces deep financial straits spurred by Musk’s abrupt and often chaotic changes to the platform, which has been dragged down by extremist content. The New York Times reported in early June that Twitter’s ad sales had plummeted after major advertisers fled the platform.

Twitter’s ability to pay its bills has been called into frequent question under Musk, who frequently tops lists of the world’s richest people.

In recent months, the company’s landlords have sued it for not paying rent on some of Twitter’s offices and for not paying for office services such as janitors. According to reports by Platformer and The Wall Street Journal, the company also clashed with Google Cloud over its server bills.

In April, Twitter’s former senior director of compensation, Mark Schobinger, accused the company of failing to pay out millions in promised bonuses.

Other proposed class action suits have alleged that Twitter’s layoffs unfairly targeted women and that the company violated federal disability law by mandating 12-hour workdays.

Ex-Employees Say Twitter Is Stalling Arbitration By Refusing To Pay Bills

This isn't about wokeness. It's about a deadbeat employer, who is one of the richest men in the world, attempting to get out of business and legal obligations. A deadbeat billionaire who's in good company with the former president.

You seem to be making a range of claims about debts and bankruptcy based on some online articles. If it was that easy anyone could pull whatever from online sources and come to whatever conclusions they wanted to come.

a reply to: MrInquisitive

Btw Elon Musk did a magnificent job when he fired all these woke employees who wanted to control the platform and censor free speech and facts. What they claim happened and their accusations have no weight and you won't expect anything more than accusations.

kinda find the whole thing amusing twitter will continue to thunder on..

the thing is people want engagement not an echo chamber the wokies are not all going to sit in a their own box with no one to engage, screaming into the wind isn't fun, they just become activists with no activism with threads becoming the sulking step..

this is made more real as the other side continues to meet, talk and organise.. indeed threads seems to have given that organising a huge huge boost, and it won't be long before the rest flood back to twitter for fear of missing out.

we've heard this nonsense all before in other arenas yet its always proven to be nothing more than arrogance, hot air and wishful thinking, the exact reasons that opened the door to both brexit and trump..

just wishing for an outcome won't make it true.

a reply to: AlienBorg

Your still claiming that gender and sex are interchangeable terms, when I have demonstrably shown you that they are not, your denial of this fact notwithstanding.

Where did you get your definition of "transexualism"? I googled the phrase and came up with this article:

Transsexualism: A Different Viewpoint to Brain Changes

If this is the case, did you bother to read the next couple of sentences in the abstract, i.e.:

Although the etiology of gender dysphoria (or transsexualism) is still unknown, different neuroimaging studies show that structural and functional changes of the brain result from this sexual incongruence. The question here is whether these reported changes form part of the etiology of transsexualism or themselves result from transsexualism culture, behaviors and lifestyle.

And the study comes up with a hypothesis that it is induced by culture. However, do you know what a hypothesis is? It is

a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation.

The study also acknowledges that transexualism may be caused by physical or chemical factors.

Although the etiology of GD is still unknown, environmental and biological factors have been argued to contribute to the variations of gender identity

The study in no way claims that gender dysphoria is a made-up condition as you are claiming. Again, your biases are preventing you from seeing anything other than what you want to believe. You probably think I am some kind of transexual activist, which is anything but the case. I just accept the medical acknowledgement of gender dysphoria, and medically accepted treatments for it, and the respectful way of acknowledging, addressing and describing such persons. I have my problems with parts of current transexual agenda, in particular "they/them" pronouns, on account of the confusion it causes and its flying in the face of hundreds of years of grammar convention; and trans people competing in sports in their realigned gender. But I don't deny their gender dysphoria or their choice to have treatment for it.

As for your statement,

The loosing cash arguments on twitter are just desperate attempts because the game has been lost and no more woke culture governing the platform.

Um, no. As I have explained in multiple post now, I acknowledge Musk can do whatever he pleases with Twitter, but the fact is his policies are severely hurting Twitter, and he is clearly a deadbeat employer and owner of this company. Those are the facts. It has nothing to do with woke culture losing control of the platform. It has everything to do with his various poor business decisions regarding Twitter, which does include his decision to go against societal norms in his handling of content moderation and his decision to reinstate the accounts of certain individuals, in particular one twice-impeached ex-president who attempted to foment violent seditious riot against the government, and who waged a long misinformation/disinformation campaign regarding the election he lost.

If you are going to argue otherwise on the matter the reinstatement of Trump's account, then supply some actual evidence to back it up. Being that I heard what Trump said on Jan 6 regarding encouraging the crowd to go to the capitol and raise hell, and also heard his taped conversation to the Georgia Sec. of State, in which he attempted to get the person to pull out of his butt enough votes for Trump to win the presidential election there, any such attempt on your part will be fruitless. And yes, I've already heard your unreasoned argument that sixty some legal cases lost by Trump regarding election fraud mean nothing. Again, you're an ideologue ruled by unfounded dogma.

a reply to: MrInquisitive

Ive been called transphobic for simply not wanting to share a woman's previously private spaces with biological males.

Thats where the hate is coming from. Toward me. By being labelled this ugly name 'transphobic' for wanting to be safe from predators that may or may not be a bonified 'transgender'. Maybe they are just an opportunistic rapist.

But I get slandered.

Admit it.

originally posted by: AlienBorg
a reply to: MrInquisitive

Btw Elon Musk did a magnificent job when he fired all these woke employees who wanted to control the platform and censor free speech and facts. What they claim happened and their accusations have no weight and you won't expect anything more than accusations.

Yes, and it was most magnificent how he fired programmers and IT specialists who had nothing to do with policing content, and then desperately tried to hire some of them back. It is also incredibly noble for a deadbeat billionaire with nothing more to do than send off tweets multiple times a day to expect his employees to work 12 hour shifts and 60 hr work weeks. It is also incredibly inspiring for such a deadbeat employer and business owner to renege on contractual obligations to his employees, and landlords and service providers, and to violate labor laws. What a paradigm of a piece of fecal matter he is.

originally posted by: CoyoteAngels
a reply to: MrInquisitive

Ive been called transphobic for simply not wanting to share a woman's previously private spaces with biological males.

Thats where the hate is coming from. Toward me. By being labelled this ugly name 'transphobic' for wanting to be safe from predators that may or may not be a bonified 'transgender'. Maybe they are just an opportunistic rapist.

But I get slandered.

Admit it.

I have no argument with what you are saying. Transexual rights extremists have taken things too far, and do attempt to bully all opposition, irrespective of what the issue is. This is what has occurred to what's her name, the Harry Potter author. I think biological women have a very legitimate gripe about another group that wants to take on their mantel, particularly after the centuries of struggle by women. I'm not going to go into it, but I had my own problem with being labeled and considered a transphobe at a previous job.

But did you read the article I cited in this post of mine?

linky

It discusses two cases of violent transphobia resulting in the killing of two people, one of which was a biological woman whom the murder thought was a transexual women. Some extremist transexual activist might attempt to bully you and ostracize you by claiming you're a transphobe, but no one is going to kill you for it.

originally posted by: nickyw
kinda find the whole thing amusing twitter will continue to thunder on..

the thing is people want engagement not an echo chamber the wokies are not all going to sit in a their own box with no one to engage, screaming into the wind isn't fun, they just become activists with no activism with threads becoming the sulking step..

this is made more real as the other side continues to meet, talk and organise.. indeed threads seems to have given that organising a huge huge boost, and it won't be long before the rest flood back to twitter for fear of missing out.

we've heard this nonsense all before in other arenas yet its always proven to be nothing more than arrogance, hot air and wishful thinking, the exact reasons that opened the door to both brexit and trump..

just wishing for an outcome won't make it true.

Yes, the entire argument about Musk running Twitter into the ground is all about woke-a-tudeness. Not! Try reading my posts concerning Twitter's bottom line, it's flailing around under Musk's management in the free market and his deadbeat business practices. Nothing about wokeness to it.

Who's wishing for an outcome? I'm just commenting on observations of Twitter's performance and its legal and business troubles, all of which stem from Musk's reign at the company. It's folks like you who are wishing and hoping that your deadbeat business hero zero will triumph in his most recent business venture, and will somehow own the libs and single-handedly defeat this supposed woke culture that you and your fellow travelers can't stop clucking about.

a reply to: MrInquisitive

Women get killed by men on an hourly basis. It doesn't even make the news unless it's something controversial in the story.

Funny how you use such a case to justify calling people that don't embrace the crazy 'transphobes' and that the activists have some kind of point in their over-the-top bullying.

a reply to: MrInquisitive

to be honest as you didn't start the thread i don't need to read your posts to come to my own conclusions to make a comment on the gist of the thread.

your need to respond with language dripping in selective bias and tell me to read what your posted is exactly the reason those in threads will come back to twitter as like you they have to inject themselves in every conversionation even when its not about them.

if twitter has anything going for it its the narcissism of those who fled.. give it a week or 2 and this'll all be in a very different place..

originally posted by: MrInquisitive
a reply to: AlienBorg

Your still claiming that gender and sex are interchangeable terms, when I have demonstrably shown you that they are not, your denial of this fact notwithstanding.

Where did you get your definition of "transexualism"? I googled the phrase and came up with this article:

Transsexualism: A Different Viewpoint to Brain Changes

If this is the case, did you bother to read the next couple of sentences in the abstract, i.e.:

Although the etiology of gender dysphoria (or transsexualism) is still unknown, different neuroimaging studies show that structural and functional changes of the brain result from this sexual incongruence. The question here is whether these reported changes form part of the etiology of transsexualism or themselves result from transsexualism culture, behaviors and lifestyle.

And the study comes up with a hypothesis that it is induced by culture. However, do you know what a hypothesis is? It is

a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation.

The study also acknowledges that transexualism may be caused by physical or chemical factors.

Although the etiology of GD is still unknown, environmental and biological factors have been argued to contribute to the variations of gender identity

The study in no way claims that gender dysphoria is a made-up condition as you are claiming. Again, your biases are preventing you from seeing anything other than what you want to believe. You probably think I am some kind of transexual activist, which is anything but the case. I just accept the medical acknowledgement of gender dysphoria, and medically accepted treatments for it, and the respectful way of acknowledging, addressing and describing such persons. I have my problems with parts of current transexual agenda, in particular "they/them" pronouns, on account of the confusion it causes and its flying in the face of hundreds of years of grammar convention; and trans people competing in sports in their realigned gender. But I don't deny their gender dysphoria or their choice to have treatment for it.

As for your statement,

The loosing cash arguments on twitter are just desperate attempts because the game has been lost and no more woke culture governing the platform.

Um, no. As I have explained in multiple post now, I acknowledge Musk can do whatever he pleases with Twitter, but the fact is his policies are severely hurting Twitter, and he is clearly a deadbeat employer and owner of this company. Those are the facts. It has nothing to do with woke culture losing control of the platform. It has everything to do with his various poor business decisions regarding Twitter, which does include his decision to go against societal norms in his handling of content moderation and his decision to reinstate the accounts of certain individuals, in particular one twice-impeached ex-president who attempted to foment violent seditious riot against the government, and who waged a long misinformation/disinformation campaign regarding the election he lost.

If you are going to argue otherwise on the matter the reinstatement of Trump's account, then supply some actual evidence to back it up. Being that I heard what Trump said on Jan 6 regarding encouraging the crowd to go to the capitol and raise hell, and also heard his taped conversation to the Georgia Sec. of State, in which he attempted to get the person to pull out of his butt enough votes for Trump to win the presidential election there, any such attempt on your part will be fruitless. And yes, I've already heard your unreasoned argument that sixty some legal cases lost by Trump regarding election fraud mean nothing. Again, you're an ideologue ruled by unfounded dogma.

You haven't shown anything.
Gender and sex are the same.

The rest of your post is just a repetition of the same false arguments and claims.

In addition to this you ve made a range of false claims in the parallel thread where we discuss about Twitter in comparison to threads.

You said there are human hermaphrodites which is wrong and somehow being intersex is some form of gender identity. Intersex is a genetic disorder and human hermaphrodites don't exist

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Transexualism
Transsexualism refers to a condition or belief which results in gender dysphoria in individuals and makes them insist that their biological gender is different from their psychological and experienced gender.

This is the definition of telekinesis

the supposed ability to move objects at a distance by mental power or other non-physical means.

Beliefs and supposed abilities. You can find the words in the vocabulary but in reality there is no transexualism or telekinesis.

originally posted by: MrInquisitive

originally posted by: nickyw
kinda find the whole thing amusing twitter will continue to thunder on..

the thing is people want engagement not an echo chamber the wokies are not all going to sit in a their own box with no one to engage, screaming into the wind isn't fun, they just become activists with no activism with threads becoming the sulking step..

this is made more real as the other side continues to meet, talk and organise.. indeed threads seems to have given that organising a huge huge boost, and it won't be long before the rest flood back to twitter for fear of missing out.

we've heard this nonsense all before in other arenas yet its always proven to be nothing more than arrogance, hot air and wishful thinking, the exact reasons that opened the door to both brexit and trump..

just wishing for an outcome won't make it true.

Yes, the entire argument about Musk running Twitter into the ground is all about woke-a-tudeness. Not! Try reading my posts concerning Twitter's bottom line, it's flailing around under Musk's management in the free market and his deadbeat business practices. Nothing about wokeness to it.

Who's wishing for an outcome? I'm just commenting on observations of Twitter's performance and its legal and business troubles, all of which stem from Musk's reign at the company. It's folks like you who are wishing and hoping that your deadbeat business hero zero will triumph in his most recent business venture, and will somehow own the libs and single-handedly defeat this supposed woke culture that you and your fellow travelers can't stop clucking about.

You're clearly wishing for a certain outcome for the future of the platform and you made a range of claims the platform is in financial difficulty loosing money and so on. These claims are not true.

Then for some reason you started to defend gender ideology and in the parallel thread by making a range of claims that are not only false but show lack of the basic understanding in matters of biological sex, intersex conditions, hermaphroditism.

Twitter allows debate and allows to challenge claims like yours when you're saying intersex is a gender identity and when you see humans hermaphrodites exist. Clearly false and with no basis.

originally posted by: MrInquisitive
a reply to: AlienBorg

Your still claiming that gender and sex are interchangeable terms, when I have demonstrably shown you that they are not, your denial of this fact notwithstanding.

Where did you get your definition of "transexualism"? I googled the phrase and came up with this article:

Transsexualism: A Different Viewpoint to Brain Changes

If this is the case, did you bother to read the next couple of sentences in the abstract, i.e.:

Although the etiology of gender dysphoria (or transsexualism) is still unknown, different neuroimaging studies show that structural and functional changes of the brain result from this sexual incongruence. The question here is whether these reported changes form part of the etiology of transsexualism or themselves result from transsexualism culture, behaviors and lifestyle.

And the study comes up with a hypothesis that it is induced by culture. However, do you know what a hypothesis is? It is

a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation.

The study also acknowledges that transexualism may be caused by physical or chemical factors.

Although the etiology of GD is still unknown, environmental and biological factors have been argued to contribute to the variations of gender identity

The study in no way claims that gender dysphoria is a made-up condition as you are claiming. Again, your biases are preventing you from seeing anything other than what you want to believe. You probably think I am some kind of transexual activist, which is anything but the case. I just accept the medical acknowledgement of gender dysphoria, and medically accepted treatments for it, and the respectful way of acknowledging, addressing and describing such persons. I have my problems with parts of current transexual agenda, in particular "they/them" pronouns, on account of the confusion it causes and its flying in the face of hundreds of years of grammar convention; and trans people competing in sports in their realigned gender. But I don't deny their gender dysphoria or their choice to have treatment for it.

As for your statement,

The loosing cash arguments on twitter are just desperate attempts because the game has been lost and no more woke culture governing the platform.

Um, no. As I have explained in multiple post now, I acknowledge Musk can do whatever he pleases with Twitter, but the fact is his policies are severely hurting Twitter, and he is clearly a deadbeat employer and owner of this company. Those are the facts. It has nothing to do with woke culture losing control of the platform. It has everything to do with his various poor business decisions regarding Twitter, which does include his decision to go against societal norms in his handling of content moderation and his decision to reinstate the accounts of certain individuals, in particular one twice-impeached ex-president who attempted to foment violent seditious riot against the government, and who waged a long misinformation/disinformation campaign regarding the election he lost.

If you are going to argue otherwise on the matter the reinstatement of Trump's account, then supply some actual evidence to back it up. Being that I heard what Trump said on Jan 6 regarding encouraging the crowd to go to the capitol and raise hell, and also heard his taped conversation to the Georgia Sec. of State, in which he attempted to get the person to pull out of his butt enough votes for Trump to win the presidential election there, any such attempt on your part will be fruitless. And yes, I've already heard your unreasoned argument that sixty some legal cases lost by Trump regarding election fraud mean nothing. Again, you're an ideologue ruled by unfounded dogma.

The study in no way claims that gender dysphoria is a made-up condition as you are claiming

Strawman

Never said gender dysphoria is a made up condition. You made the same claim in the parallel thread.


You said the following in the parallel thread

As to your last question, I don't agree with your contention that gender dysphoria and its extreme form of treatment to be pseudoscience

My answer:


Strawman

Never said anything like it.

Transgenderism and transsexualism are pseudoscience. Threads may have a different view on this but who cares.

Having gender dysphoria has nothing to do with the ideas you're in the wrong body and you need to start the hormones and surgery later on to get better. Gender dysphoria is a mental health issue.

And twitter wants these views and not pseudo-science to be pushed as if it's fact.

Again, your biases are preventing you from seeing anything other than what you want to believe. You probably think I am some kind of transexual activist, which is anything but the case. I just accept the medical acknowledgement of gender dysphoria, and medically accepted treatments for it, and the respectful way of acknowledging, addressing and describing such persons.

The bias can be found in your own interpretations and the deliberate strawman arguments you're making. Yes I do think you are fond of the gender ideology and this is evident in your claims. Gender dysphoria is a mental health issue and has nothing to do with the view you can change your sex by stating the hormones and body part mutilations. The essence of transgenderism, a pseudo-science and pseudo-philosophy.