The moment the trans agenda goes off the rails thread

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: quintessentone


Why not advocate to also remove lesbians from women's locker rooms too? Where is that outrage?

The discrimination goes way beyond locker rooms and you know it.

that's quite a conundrum. I can't speak for every man, but I will say, two dudes kissing is just yuk, but two girls going at it, is hot with two t's. Among men, I suspect there is a level of acceptance for one, that doesn't exist for the other.

If I had a choice between a lesbian ogling my body as a sex object with a proposition (harassment) coming vs. a transwomen maybe sneaking a peek for curiosity sake, then I'd choose the latter.

A trans league for all sports. Who wouldn't want to watch the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat with that type of surrealistic entertainment.

I'm watching rugby in my minds eye as we speak....one guy/girl got slapped really hard!!

Have a look at the new universal locker rooms. Now dads can bring in their daughters.

The new locker room opened this week to enthusiastic response, said Steve Springsdorf, CEO of the YMCA of Greater Kalamazoo.

The new design is ideal for dads and and daughters, mothers and sons, kids in wheelchairs, transgender folks-- anyone for whom a conventional mass gender-specific shower area can present challenges, he said.

In addition to two unisex restrooms, the locker room features nine shower-changing areas, all compliant with Americans with Disabilities Act requirements.

www.mlive.com...

This is in ADDITION to the traditional men's and women's locker rooms and provides COMPLETE PRIVACY.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: network dude

Guys in dresses should not be the foundation for policy change.

No but discrimination should.

Who's being discriminated against?

Guys that want to get naked in girls locker rooms?

Good.

Those who have issues with it need to advocate for trans locker rooms. Society moves very slowly with changes.

Why not advocate to also remove lesbians from women's locker rooms too? Where is that outrage?

The discrimination goes way beyond locker rooms and you know it.

There is no right that allows another individual to infringe upon the rights of others.

There just isn't.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: network dude

Guys in dresses should not be the foundation for policy change.

No but discrimination should.

Who's being discriminated against?

Guys that want to get naked in girls locker rooms?

Good.

Those who have issues with it need to advocate for trans locker rooms. Society moves very slowly with changes.

Why not advocate to also remove lesbians from women's locker rooms too? Where is that outrage?

The discrimination goes way beyond locker rooms and you know it.

There is no right that allows another individual to infringe upon the rights of others.

There just isn't.

As I stated before, society moves very slowly...see my post above.

a reply to: quintessentone
Im glad to see some nuance coming into the conversation, especially if the laws are flexible allowing schools the ability to decide as there is no one size fits all. Different sports, different ages, different levels of hormones make all of these such individual cases.

I remember in elementary school gym class having to do the Participaction program here in canada. It had male and female categories and you would get scored for things like shot put, running, high jump etc. Ask a young girl I was pissed off about these categories and it grated badly on me that girls couldnt achieve what the boys could. It seemed like the cruelest joke of nature... I was a little melodramatic... but anyway even in early grade school the boys consistently out competed the girls in most sports, hence the reason we were marked in our category and awards given based on biology.

From your first quote it says...new levels of discrimination against transgender athletes... and I personally feel that this was the issue all along where biological women were feeling these new levels of discrimination against them regarding the testosterone advantage of biological men, and the evisceration of what it is to be female. What some men, even those who transition, may not understand is that it hasnt been that long in our current history that women were considered equal, that our gains and wins are still fragile, that sports were even opened up for women at elite levels, that we were allowed credit cards without a husband or dads permission. And so on.

There is an underlying awareness in biological women that we will never be able to compete or be fully accepted at a male level (for example fastest person or best tennis player on the planet) so our female only categories are precious. This difference and the fact our biology makes us uniquely able to bring about and nurture the next generation become more precious when you cannot compete in other areas, which is why it is so hard to see it diminished by being called birthing people, chest feeders and trans men celebrated for claiming miraculous birth.

Most people uphold an adult, or even older teen, persons right to live as they see fit and with some common sense none of this needed to transfer into accusations of transphobia, name calling. In some individuals, it has all the misogyny of angry incels and unfortunately those are in positions of power and are the loudest.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: network dude

Guys in dresses should not be the foundation for policy change.

No but discrimination should.

Who's being discriminated against?

Guys that want to get naked in girls locker rooms?

Good.

Those who have issues with it need to advocate for trans locker rooms. Society moves very slowly with changes.

Why not advocate to also remove lesbians from women's locker rooms too? Where is that outrage?

The discrimination goes way beyond locker rooms and you know it.

There is no right that allows another individual to infringe upon the rights of others.

There just isn't.

As I stated before, society moves very slowly...see my post above.

You are not getting my point.

There is no loss of rights.

There is no "right" if it infringes upon another individual.

This entire issue is to provide a "right to infringe", which creates an unequal society.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: quintessentone


Why not advocate to also remove lesbians from women's locker rooms too? Where is that outrage?

The discrimination goes way beyond locker rooms and you know it.

that's quite a conundrum. I can't speak for every man, but I will say, two dudes kissing is just yuk, but two girls going at it, is hot with two t's. Among men, I suspect there is a level of acceptance for one, that doesn't exist for the other.

If I had a choice between a lesbian ogling my body as a sex object with a proposition (harassment) coming vs. a transwomen maybe sneaking a peek for curiosity sake, then I'd choose the latter.

As a biological woman, Id way prefer the lesbians ogling me because I know they do not have a penis they could use as a weapon in closed quarters like a locker room. I think most biological women feel this. To be fair, Id almost guarantee that a transwoman who passes as a woman wants to be lady like and wont show off her privates in public. They arent the problem and never were, its the great free for all that can attract the seedier portion of the population and ruin womens sense of safety.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: network dude

Guys in dresses should not be the foundation for policy change.

No but discrimination should.

Who's being discriminated against?

Guys that want to get naked in girls locker rooms?

Good.

Those who have issues with it need to advocate for trans locker rooms. Society moves very slowly with changes.

Why not advocate to also remove lesbians from women's locker rooms too? Where is that outrage?

The discrimination goes way beyond locker rooms and you know it.

There is no right that allows another individual to infringe upon the rights of others.

There just isn't.

As I stated before, society moves very slowly...see my post above.

You are not getting my point.

There is no loss of rights.

There is no "right" if it infringes upon another individual.

This entire issue is to provide a "right to infringe", which creates an unequal society.

Then it comes down to the right to NOT be discriminated trumps infringement but temporarily because, again, society moves very slowly and the locker room issue is now addressed. Next.

originally posted by: igloo

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: quintessentone


Why not advocate to also remove lesbians from women's locker rooms too? Where is that outrage?

The discrimination goes way beyond locker rooms and you know it.

that's quite a conundrum. I can't speak for every man, but I will say, two dudes kissing is just yuk, but two girls going at it, is hot with two t's. Among men, I suspect there is a level of acceptance for one, that doesn't exist for the other.

If I had a choice between a lesbian ogling my body as a sex object with a proposition (harassment) coming vs. a transwomen maybe sneaking a peek for curiosity sake, then I'd choose the latter.

As a biological woman, Id way prefer the lesbians ogling me because I know they do not have a penis they could use as a weapon in closed quarters like a locker room. I think most biological women feel this. To be fair, Id almost guarantee that a transwoman who passes as a woman wants to be lady like and wont show off her privates in public. They arent the problem and never were, its the great free for all that can attract the seedier portion of the population and ruin womens sense of safety.

Lesbians don't need a penis they have fingers and maybe are hiding a strap on. Watch out.

originally posted by: network dude
www.foxnews.com...

Kelley Robinson, who describes herself as the first queer, Black president of the Human Rights Campaign, was asked the question by Sen. John Kennedy, R-La. Robinson said she couldn't "definitively" say males have an advantage over women in sports. Robinson then tried to use a "news article" about how some men believe they could beat Serena Williams in tennis.

As Robinson pointed that out, Riley Gaines noted that Williams and her sister, Venus, both lost to "lost to the 203rd-ranked male tennis player" more than a decade ago.

I encourage you to watch this exchange if you are interested in this topic. And I would encourage those of you who champion this ideology to speak with us, and not TO us, conversely, everyone needs to try to communicate better, and be more adult.

Ms. Robinson has a point in answering the way the question was asked. I am a dude, but fat and old, and I cannot compete with Riley Gaines. I am a good swimmer, and have swam on a team against others. But the level she is at, is miles away from where I was, when I was in my best shape.

But that isn't the argument here, it's about people at the top of their personal game. When you put a biological male who has trained at a sport and can compete in a professional setting, then to put that male up against a biological female, there will be distinct differences. The male will have an advantage. That isn't to say that in every case, the male wins, but the male body is made differently than the female body, and will excel in most sports. The entire argument is that just isn't fair and takes opportunities away from biological females who would have otherwise been the best at whatever sport she was competing in.

Now, if you watch this exchange, the part where it goes off the rails, is at the end, where Ms. Robinson claims that a Trans female "who is a real female"......OK full stop. A Trans female is a dude who thinks or wants others to think he is a female. He will always be a male. There is nothing he can change that will make him into a female. That just isn't how any of this works. It's not some "vast right wing conspiracy", or something mean I want to say just to "own the libs", it's a fact of life that everyone must accept as the truth. If you do not accept that, and somehow believe that a man can truly become a woman, you need to prove that through science. (remember, Trust the science)

If Trans people feel the deep desire to compete, then they should enact a third category for trans athletes. That way all trans people would compete against other trans athletes, and everyone is happy. If you are a biological man who transitioned to looking like a woman, then you can compete against other men, or be in the trans category. Same for the other side of that. This is a tiny fraction of society and while NOBODY should be singled out and persecuted, this group did make this happen by choice, brought all the attention on themselves, by these actions, and is forcing that something be done to keep sports fair and to protect women's sports.

If you feel differently, please be polite and you will be shown equal politeness in return.

I saw that moonbat testimony.

What is hilarious is that even Serena Williams admitted on some late night show she would get crushed by male pro tennis players as they are faster, hit harder, etc. This was several years ago before this was a big issue.

Riley Gaines testified her husband was a below average competitive male swimmer in terms of accolades and he still smokes her in the pool.

For the life of me, I don't know why we have society jumping through hoops for an infinitesimally small group of people with obvious mental health issues. I also don't get why they are pushing this on children either.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: network dude

Guys in dresses should not be the foundation for policy change.

No but discrimination should.

Who's being discriminated against?

Guys that want to get naked in girls locker rooms?

Good.

Those who have issues with it need to advocate for trans locker rooms. Society moves very slowly with changes.

Why not advocate to also remove lesbians from women's locker rooms too? Where is that outrage?

The discrimination goes way beyond locker rooms and you know it.

There is no right that allows another individual to infringe upon the rights of others.

There just isn't.

As I stated before, society moves very slowly...see my post above.

You are not getting my point.

There is no loss of rights.

There is no "right" if it infringes upon another individual.

This entire issue is to provide a "right to infringe", which creates an unequal society.

Then it comes down to the right to NOT be discriminated trumps infringement but temporarily because, again, society moves very slowly and the locker room issue is not addressed. Next.

There is no discrimination.

Sure you can call it that, but is it discrimination when we don't allow smoking indoors?

Is it discrimination when we don't allow surgeons with crack addictions to perform surgery?

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: network dude

Guys in dresses should not be the foundation for policy change.

No but discrimination should.

Who's being discriminated against?

Guys that want to get naked in girls locker rooms?

Good.

Those who have issues with it need to advocate for trans locker rooms. Society moves very slowly with changes.

Why not advocate to also remove lesbians from women's locker rooms too? Where is that outrage?

The discrimination goes way beyond locker rooms and you know it.

There is no right that allows another individual to infringe upon the rights of others.

There just isn't.

As I stated before, society moves very slowly...see my post above.

You are not getting my point.

There is no loss of rights.

There is no "right" if it infringes upon another individual.

This entire issue is to provide a "right to infringe", which creates an unequal society.

Then it comes down to the right to NOT be discriminated trumps infringement but temporarily because, again, society moves very slowly and the locker room issue is not addressed. Next.

There is no discrimination.

Sure you can call it that, but is it discrimination when we don't allow smoking indoors?

Is it discrimination when we don't allow surgeons with crack addictions to perform surgery?

Locker room issues now addressed.

Next.

It's how they are trying to force us all to believe that someone born a man can become a real woman that makes me feel inclined to go against all this nonsense. 

I'd be willing to live and let live if they left it at calling themselves transwomen and accepted that they are in a separate category that is completely outside of those who are naturally born females.

I have a friend who recently had an online dating experience with a transwoman. They had been communicating online for a few months and then decided to meet each other at a restaurant. The transwoman had only ever let my friend see their face during their online communications, and he assumed it was because the person was fat. My friend immediately realized the transwoman was not a real woman the second he laid eyes on the transwoman. My friend immediately said this was not going to work for him, and the transwoman went nuts, causing a scene that made everyone in the restaurant look at the two of them. After my friend left the restaurant, the transwoman kept calling my friend from different phone numbers to let him know how transphobic he is.

I refuse to date or have sex with a transwoman. I guess that makes me transphobic. I'll wear that label with pride. 

a reply to: tamusan

That person was (in a way) demanding that your friend have gay sex.

And if he didn't, then he's transphobic.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: network dude

Guys in dresses should not be the foundation for policy change.

No but discrimination should.

Who's being discriminated against?

Guys that want to get naked in girls locker rooms?

Good.

Those who have issues with it need to advocate for trans locker rooms. Society moves very slowly with changes.

Why not advocate to also remove lesbians from women's locker rooms too? Where is that outrage?

The discrimination goes way beyond locker rooms and you know it.

There is no right that allows another individual to infringe upon the rights of others.

There just isn't.

As I stated before, society moves very slowly...see my post above.

You are not getting my point.

There is no loss of rights.

There is no "right" if it infringes upon another individual.

This entire issue is to provide a "right to infringe", which creates an unequal society.

Then it comes down to the right to NOT be discriminated trumps infringement but temporarily because, again, society moves very slowly and the locker room issue is not addressed. Next.

There is no discrimination.

Sure you can call it that, but is it discrimination when we don't allow smoking indoors?

Is it discrimination when we don't allow surgeons with crack addictions to perform surgery?

Locker room issues now addressed.

Next.

Nice try.

It's not just a locker room issue.

a reply to: tamusan

that's a dangerous game. some people really don't like being lied to and can get violent. And in that case, the liar/trans"woman" would actually be the one at fault, until the beating. Not wanting to have sex with a dude in a dress is not transphobic, it's what used to be called "normal".

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: network dude

Guys in dresses should not be the foundation for policy change.

No but discrimination should.

Who's being discriminated against?

Guys that want to get naked in girls locker rooms?

Good.

Those who have issues with it need to advocate for trans locker rooms. Society moves very slowly with changes.

Why not advocate to also remove lesbians from women's locker rooms too? Where is that outrage?

The discrimination goes way beyond locker rooms and you know it.

There is no right that allows another individual to infringe upon the rights of others.

There just isn't.

As I stated before, society moves very slowly...see my post above.

You are not getting my point.

There is no loss of rights.

There is no "right" if it infringes upon another individual.

This entire issue is to provide a "right to infringe", which creates an unequal society.

Then it comes down to the right to NOT be discriminated trumps infringement but temporarily because, again, society moves very slowly and the locker room issue is not addressed. Next.

There is no discrimination.

Sure you can call it that, but is it discrimination when we don't allow smoking indoors?

Is it discrimination when we don't allow surgeons with crack addictions to perform surgery?

Locker room issues now addressed.

Next.

Nice try.

It's not just a locker room issue.

It's a discrimination issue and yes it was an locker room issue here on ATS.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: network dude

Guys in dresses should not be the foundation for policy change.

No but discrimination should.

Who's being discriminated against?

Guys that want to get naked in girls locker rooms?

Good.

Those who have issues with it need to advocate for trans locker rooms. Society moves very slowly with changes.

Why not advocate to also remove lesbians from women's locker rooms too? Where is that outrage?

The discrimination goes way beyond locker rooms and you know it.

There is no right that allows another individual to infringe upon the rights of others.

There just isn't.

As I stated before, society moves very slowly...see my post above.

You are not getting my point.

There is no loss of rights.

There is no "right" if it infringes upon another individual.

This entire issue is to provide a "right to infringe", which creates an unequal society.

Then it comes down to the right to NOT be discriminated trumps infringement but temporarily because, again, society moves very slowly and the locker room issue is not addressed. Next.

There is no discrimination.

Sure you can call it that, but is it discrimination when we don't allow smoking indoors?

Is it discrimination when we don't allow surgeons with crack addictions to perform surgery?

Locker room issues now addressed.

Next.

Nice try.

It's not just a locker room issue.

It's a discrimination issue and yes it was an locker room issue here on ATS.

Discrimination against someone violating another's individual rights.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: network dude

Guys in dresses should not be the foundation for policy change.

No but discrimination should.

Who's being discriminated against?

Guys that want to get naked in girls locker rooms?

Good.

Those who have issues with it need to advocate for trans locker rooms. Society moves very slowly with changes.

Why not advocate to also remove lesbians from women's locker rooms too? Where is that outrage?

The discrimination goes way beyond locker rooms and you know it.

There is no right that allows another individual to infringe upon the rights of others.

There just isn't.

As I stated before, society moves very slowly...see my post above.

You are not getting my point.

There is no loss of rights.

There is no "right" if it infringes upon another individual.

This entire issue is to provide a "right to infringe", which creates an unequal society.

Then it comes down to the right to NOT be discriminated trumps infringement but temporarily because, again, society moves very slowly and the locker room issue is not addressed. Next.

There is no discrimination.

Sure you can call it that, but is it discrimination when we don't allow smoking indoors?

Is it discrimination when we don't allow surgeons with crack addictions to perform surgery?

Locker room issues now addressed.

Next.

Nice try.

It's not just a locker room issue.

It's a discrimination issue and yes it was an locker room issue here on ATS.

Discrimination against someone violating another's individual rights.

Title IX:

Title IX prohibits sex discrimination at educational institutions that receive federal funding in primary, secondary and higher education. The most visible changes were seen in sports, thanks in part to the adoption of an intercollegiate athletics policy in 1979 that entitled women to the same athletic opportunities as their male counterparts.

Last year, the Biden administration proposed new rules, which are expected to be finalized in May, that would extend Title IX protections to transgender students by expanding the definition of “sex” to include “stereotypes, sex characteristics, pregnancy or related conditions, sexual orientation, and gender identity.”

The rule announced this week would take that rule one step further and create a separate framework for transgender athlete participation for all schools that receive federal funding.

Transgender people in sports in federally funded education institutions falls into Title IX, as "sex+ discrimination" per Biden's administration. Keyword: discrimination.