Are extraterrestrials real? As real as the nose on your face.

Very simple. There are bad aliens, and there are good aliens. The good news is that the bad aliens have forgotten about this planet. The bad news is that although they are much weaker, they outnumber the good aliens. Greys are not the ones you need be afraid of. Right now our priority is not so much what exists beyond the stars but what exists on our ground.

sleeper, I just saw a thread on cow, human and even dolphin mutilations. In their autopsies apparently they had cuts that were so fine that they could have only have been performed with cutting tools on the atomic level. Although these sights don't really bother me the pictures are quite gruesome and gory (There are shots of a person whose face seems to be completely ripped off). Could this be the "evil" alien's work (surely it could be done by "good" ET as I doubt it's in noones best interest to be brutally murdered)? Is it the government? Or have you not heard much on this subject (it is a somewhat obscure area of ufology)? Do you think it is related to the chupacabra myth?


[edit on 22-1-2006 by hobo_321]

Originally posted by hobo_321
sleeper, I just saw a thread on cow, human and even dolphin mutilations. In their autopsies apparently they had cuts that were so fine that they could have only have been performed with cutting tools on the atomic level. Although these sights don't really bother me the pictures are quite gruesome and gory (There are shots of a person whose face seems to be completely ripped off). Could this be the "evil" alien's work (surely it could be done by "good" ET as I doubt it's in noones best interest to be brutally murdered)? Is it the government? Or have you not heard much on this subject (it is a somewhat obscure area of ufology)? Do you think it is related to the chupacabra myth?

[edit on 22-1-2006 by hobo_321]

Secret governments do abduct people and animals for various reasons but they don’t have to leave evidence, neither does ET

They can’t allow full disclosure but UFO sightings, mutilations, and alien crashes are part of the mind games played on humans by both ET and covert organization.

Sleeper,

I find it a bit difficult to digest that the pinnacle I can achieve in this lifetime is to be a "superstar". I would hardly consider the movie and music stars here to be the best we can possibly achieve. Many of these said stars end up committing suicide anyway, so they can't think they are that great either!

You also said that you are only here for the fame and fortune, I do hope that was a joke

Originally posted by TheObserver
Sleeper,

I find it a bit difficult to digest that the pinnacle I can achieve in this lifetime is to be a "superstar". I would hardly consider the movie and music stars here to be the best we can possibly achieve. Many of these said stars end up committing suicide anyway, so they can't think they are that great either!

Observer,

You don’t achieve stardom because you reached a higher level of nirvana----you can be a star in the same way you chose to be the hero in a video game.

Once you are on the other side you have certain options and life choices you can choose from for your next life----perhaps you might want to be a leader of a country, a general in some army, a school teacher, or a janitor. Depending on what level of consciousness you are----determines how many things you can pick from----and the quality of those things

You can also be someone who is selfless, like a mother Theresa----or return to earth to help a family member or friend

After you make your choice you will be placed into circumstances that lead you to those positions in life.

Anything you chose is not a guarantee of success or happiness----you have to make those things happen for yourself-----once you are in the shoes of a world leader or super stars like John Belushi, Jimi Hendrix, and Janis Joplin you will learn that those lofty positions are not necessarily easy street-----as you pointed out

You also said that you are only here for the fame and fortune, I do hope that was a joke

Well I have neither fame nor fortune----and yes I was joking

Has this thread died again??

Sleeper, tell us something that will breathe some life into this thread!!

Sleeper started another thread...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by TheObserver
Has this thread died again??

Sleeper, tell us something that will breathe some life into this thread!!

Sleeper has no knowledge of what he is typing in the first place (IMO). I have had the photos analyzed. "Person in their thirties at best. Appears to be male. " IMO Sleeper is not 53(IMO).

[edit on 30-1-2006 by Truthforall]

Originally posted by Truthforall

Originally posted by TheObserver
Has this thread died again??

Sleeper, tell us something that will breathe some life into this thread!!

Sleeper has no knowledge of what he is typing in the first place (IMO). I have had the photos analyzed. "Person in their thirties at best. Appears to be male. " IMO Sleeper is not 53(IMO).

[edit on 30-1-2006 by Truthforall]

I hope you didn’t pay much for the analysis because if you did you got took


I am 53----not that my age has anything to do with UFOs and extraterrestrials

Those hands have not had it easy, I have been in construction for 35 years as a carpenter and have built many houses in freezing winter weather and roasted during the hot summer months.

I have also built lots of free houses for Habitat for Humanity-----those were the hardest on me----working with amateurs can age you before your time

But according to you and your expert friend who did the analysis my hands are fairing well----go figure!

BTW----everything I write is true

[edit on 31-1-2006 by sleeper]

I'm not sure what to say. Some of what you describe is very familiar. I only remember some things. I think I've suppressed a lot.

I don't know why anyone would lie about this. It's scary as hell just typing this much.

I remember a ride with my grandparents but it's not them. They are explaining things to me and I'm asking a lot of questions. I'm not bothered that it really isn't my grandparents. I remember talking about how gravity is like sound, a wave that can be generated or altered. I've played music since I was little.

I remember remembering missing time and wanting to forget again. I know this sounds strange. It's come up again recently but years have gone by since I thought about it last.

Some of the drawings I made as a child were difficult for my parents to understand. I would draw machines, places I visited, flying people, and anatomy. As an adult, I've studied the psychology of children's art - universal images that all children draw before they are taught. There was no basis in experience for some of the things I drew. I could draw anything very well from a very early age. My mom encouraged me to be an artist.

I was tested with an IQ of 155 in 5th grade. I was placed in a special program for 2 years with a few other students until the state money ran out.

I remember sensing daylight at night and the feeling of someone entering the room but not being able to turn around. If I'm in bed, I can't open my eyes. It's just very bright pink. This has happened a number of times but I'm more aware of it happening when I was very young. I've read about REM sleep and how this might be a split moment in time as your brain is waking up. I don't know what to think. It seems very real and it used to happen a lot when I was younger.

I remember opening my eyes in the middle of the night and looking directly in the face of someone who is not human. I don't look away. I don't hear voices. I'm scared but curious. There might be someone else with us. I'm not sure.

I was hit by a car while holding my father's hand when I was about 8. Witnesses said I was thrown 10 feet in the air and landed in a thud on my neck and back. Without thinking, my dad rushed me to the hospital. I had a couple of bruises. I seem to remember watching it like a movie. I didn't feel alone.

I remember other conversations with people I cared about (never quite looking in their faces for very long) and asking why and how, what might seem like spiritual questions now. I can't remember any answers but one and it's going to seem a little odd. I'll try to explain.

The central point of my understanding is this. We are containers, collecting experiences and growing our soul in preparation for something more. What we see and touch is like a dream made real only because we seem to want to believe it. I'm sure I'll either mess this up or offend someone so please be patient with me. I believe god/the divine is flowing in, around and through everything. In a very real sense, there is no separation. When we choose to take part in this, we are realizing something greater than ourselves.

My experiences seem to climax with those thoughts. Afterward, I wanted the strange things to stop. As far as I'm aware, they have. To be honest, I do still have have dreams, occassional odd sores that heal very quickly and a feeling of being connected to something larger. I'm a night owl, gettimg a lot of work done then. Sometimes I'll leave the studio and feel like someone is watching. It scares me but meanwhile, the work is getting better. There are no accidents. It has all the manifestations of a religious conversion and spiritual awakening. Perhaps that's because it is.

Much of what I think I realized happened with a year of getting married and trying to have a baby. I was scared of bringing someone else into my experiences. I wanted to forget. I now have 2 children and am very happy. Both are very intelligent and talented in music and art. To set an example, I made a leap of faith years ago, leaving my established professional career for an opportunity to pursue my creative work. I surprise myself sometimes at having been so successful at it.

Sleeper, I can only hope that your experiences are genuine. I don't have any questions except to invite you to comment on what I'm admitting to.

I haven't talked to anyone else about these things in nearly 12 years. My wife is VERY patient but we don't discuss it much any more. I think she accepts it as being real. We've both seen too many things happen in 13 years of marriage together to dismiss as coincidence. What we both visualize together often comes around. Call it creative visualization if you like but it works...important to stay positive.

I've often wondered about the psychological effects of this whole thing. Did my young desire to understand the relationship between things, recognizing patterns, manifest in a science fiction fantasy? I don't know. I'm willing to consider that may be the case. Did the nature of my curiosity guide my interaction with something I still don't understand or want to admit to? Again, it doesn't really matter. I have to believe that whatever brings us closer to making peace with our place and purpose in this world can only be a good thing.

Best wishes.

P.S.
I've also talked with my mom and grandmother. We seem to not have to say much to each other. We all just accept these things as being something we live with.

P.P.S.
I hope this helps someone. Not that I'm contributing anything particularly orignal to the discussion. I feel a little better just saying it.


[edit on 1-2-2006 by blue grass]

Hi blue grass! Thank you for sharing your story with us. I also agree that it would not make sense to make this stuff up.

I like the idea of us being containers like you say, and picking up experiences that further us spiritually. This makes a lot more sense than some of the more traditional theories to me.

In your oppinion is everything calculated and nothing happens accidently? I always have the feeling that I am not in control of my life or my destiny. What do you think?

I have this feeling too, or something like it.

I certainly don't control anything but If I am attentive, I can work with things in harmony and guide my life's direction as well as those around me. The results are very real and too striking to be dismissed as coincidence. Letting go of the idea of control might be a first step toward accepting something greater and more rewarding. It's a lesson I relearn often.

I can't explain beyond that. Good luck with your search.

[edit on 1-2-2006 by blue grass]

[edit on 1-2-2006 by blue grass]

nice to see you back here sleeper, even if you seem alittle wacky to me.

Originally posted by blue grass
I remember a ride with my grandparents but it's not them. They are explaining things to me and I'm asking a lot of questions. I'm not bothered that it really isn't my grandparents. I remember talking about how gravity is like sound, a wave that can be generated or altered. I've played music since I was little.

Were your grandparents alive at the time? -----some abductions are encounters with loved ones that have passed away.

Also ET can take on any shape and personality they wish-----I remember touring the solar system with my grandmother-----I was young about ten and she was still alive and living in Italy while I was in the US----I never was able to ask her if she remembered an episode like that----she lived many years after but I would never see her again

I remember remembering missing time and wanting to forget again. I know this sounds strange. It's come up again recently but years have gone by since I thought about it last.

Some people are taken more than others and they have the ability to remember more but those experiences are best left in the subconscious mind where they don’t interfere with the present illusions of this life otherwise what’s the point of this existence?

Some of the drawings I made as a child were difficult for my parents to understand. I would draw machines, places I visited, flying people, and anatomy. As an adult, I've studied the psychology of children's art - universal images that all children draw before they are taught. There was no basis in experience for some of the things I drew. I could draw anything very well from a very early age. My mom encouraged me to be an artist.

Perhaps parts of a previous life got through the membrane of this life----you may have been an engineer previously and what you saw were things you designed or built on another planet

I was tested with an IQ of 155 in 5th grade. I was placed in a special program for 2 years with a few other students until the state money ran out.

High IQ is a gift as is everything-----those who use it wisely are better equipped to deal with this life----and therefore if they chose to, influence in positive ways other travelers on this journey called life

I remember sensing daylight at night and the feeling of someone entering the room but not being able to turn around. If I'm in bed, I can't open my eyes. It's just very bright pink. This has happened a number of times but I'm more aware of it happening when I was very young. I've read about REM sleep and how this might be a split moment in time as your brain is waking up. I don't know what to think. It seems very real and it used to happen a lot when I was younger.

Most visits take place during REM or when coming out of that stage of sleep----some people like to call it sleep paralysis because they don’t understand the supernatural world-----however there are sleep disorders as well.

I remember opening my eyes in the middle of the night and looking directly in the face of someone who is not human. I don't look away. I don't hear voices. I'm scared but curious. There might be someone else with us. I'm not sure.

As much as we would like to think we are alone it’s just not possible we live in a spirit filled universe and some of those spirits can manifest into physical bodies----ET operates in those parameters.

I was hit by a car while holding my father's hand when I was about 8. Witnesses said I was thrown 10 feet in the air and landed in a thud on my neck and back. Without thinking, my dad rushed me to the hospital. I had a couple of bruises. I seem to remember watching it like a movie. I didn't feel alone.

While in the military overseas I was in a severe car accident ET stepped in and fixed me and the other occupant up and left before the police and ambulances came----we were in perfect condition without a scratch----the car was a mangled twisted pile of metal----I was the driver and it was my fault----the passenger didn’t remember anything that happened but couldn’t believe we were alive and unhurt

I remember other conversations with people I cared about (never quite looking in their faces for very long) and asking why and how, what might seem like spiritual questions now. I can't remember any answers but one and it's going to seem a little odd. I'll try to explain.

The central point of my understanding is this. We are containers, collecting experiences and growing our soul in preparation for something more. What we see and touch is like a dream made real only because we seem to want to believe it. I'm sure I'll either mess this up or offend someone so please be patient with me. I believe god/the divine is flowing in, around and through everything. In a very real sense, there is no separation. When we choose to take part in this, we are realizing something greater than ourselves.

Have you seen Star Trek the movie? That movie is a perfect metaphor for existence-----in the movie it’s a space probe that collects infinite knowledge. We are containers of knowledge and experience as you point out; the only difference is that after each life we are clued in to what we are

My experiences seem to climax with those thoughts. Afterward, I wanted the strange things to stop. As far as I'm aware, they have. To be honest, I do still have have dreams, occassional odd sores that heal very quickly and a feeling of being connected to something larger. I'm a night owl, gettimg a lot of work done then. Sometimes I'll leave the studio and feel like someone is watching. It scares me but meanwhile, the work is getting better. There are no accidents. It has all the manifestations of a religious conversion and spiritual awakening. Perhaps that's because it is.

You answered your own question

Much of what I think I realized happened with a year of getting married and trying to have a baby. I was scared of bringing someone else into my experiences. I wanted to forget. I now have 2 children and am very happy. Both are very intelligent and talented in music and art. To set an example, I made a leap of faith years ago, leaving my established professional career for an opportunity to pursue my creative work. I surprise myself sometimes at having been so successful at it.

The funny thing is we don’t bring people into the world they are sent in or they volunteer to come into our lives----most of the time they are life changing blessings

Sleeper, I can only hope that your experiences are genuine. I don't have any questions except to invite you to comment on what I'm admitting to.

My experiences are genuine

I haven't talked to anyone else about these things in nearly 12 years. My wife is VERY patient but we don't discuss it much any more. I think she accepts it as being real. We've both seen too many things happen in 13 years of marriage together to dismiss as coincidence. What we both visualize together often comes around. Call it creative visualization if you like but it works...important to stay positive.

My wife wants to believe, she has seen things that have no explanation yet she is not allowed to know, same with my children they are involved yet they don’t know nor do they want to know.

Nothing goes wrong in a positive state of mind

I've often wondered about the psychological effects of this whole thing. Did my young desire to understand the relationship between things, recognizing patterns, manifest in a science fiction fantasy? I don't know. I'm willing to consider that may be the case. Did the nature of my curiosity guide my interaction with something I still don't understand or want to admit to? Again, it doesn't really matter. I have to believe that whatever brings us closer to making peace with our place and purpose in this world can only be a good thing.

What you experienced is supernatural and real, what you are willing to accept comes with human limitations


Best wishes.

Hi sleeper

Small question...

Do all life forms have souls? Do dogs have souls (somehow i doubt this)? What determines what kind of life form is "sophisticated" enough to host a sole?

Thanks and good to see you back.

My maternal grandparents are alive. We were and are very close. This happened around age 10. I would ride in the back seat of their bug and poke my head up between them to talk.

My wife and I taught the children that they did choose to come into this life. It's something I came to believe with conviction at the time my first daughter was born. I nearly lost them both in 48 hours of labor and a late c section.

I may have some misgivings about explaining my experiences but I don't have reservations about the conclusions I've come to.

Thanks for the response.

Originally posted by hobo_321
Hi sleeper

Small question...

Do all life forms have souls? Do dogs have souls (somehow i doubt this)? What determines what kind of life form is "sophisticated" enough to host a sole?

Hi hobo


They have consciousness but to what level I don’t know-----many machines that accompany ETs have the same kind of awareness that animals display yet they are nothing but smart equipment that perform services-----in a way similar to what pets provide-----companionship, protection, entertainment, and helpful like seeing eye dogs, or beasts of burden like horses, mules etc.

All life forms are sophisticated machines without souls, however a soul is a soul----and a soul can enter into any machine including pets and insects-----for a verity of purposes including entertainment or punishment----the machine one enters into determines what that soul can or can’t do-----anything less than a human life can be a very boring and tedious existence for a soul

Most machines are autonomous robots and function without anyone at the controls-----the human machine is the exception, it is designed specifically for a soul

Sleeper, thanks for the reply but..

Are you implying that not all physical bodies host souls? For example are there some dogs that have souls and some that don't? Wouldn't this mean that soulless beings would exibit a "soulless" behaviour as opposed to their soul-hosting counterparts?

Thanks.

Originally posted by hobo_321
Sleeper, thanks for the reply

but..

Are you implying that not all physical bodies host souls? For example are there some dogs that have souls and some that don't? Wouldn't this mean that soulless beings would exibit a "soulless" behaviour as opposed to their soul-hosting counterparts?

Thanks.

Most non human physical bodies are soulless they operate on a high level of intelligence what we call artificial intelligence or instinct-----one and the same btw-----yet souls can enter them----but usually for a short duration

There is no such thing as soulless behavior you are either a soul or a toaster-----insects and animals are complex forms of toasters

Originally posted by sleeper

Originally posted by Truthforall

Originally posted by TheObserver
Has this thread died again??

Sleeper, tell us something that will breathe some life into this thread!!

Sleeper has no knowledge of what he is typing in the first place (IMO). I have had the photos analyzed. "Person in their thirties at best. Appears to be male. " IMO Sleeper is not 53(IMO).

[edit on 30-1-2006 by Truthforall]

I hope you didn’t pay much for the analysis because if you did you got took


I am 53----not that my age has anything to do with UFOs and extraterrestrials

Those hands have not had it easy, I have been in construction for 35 years as a carpenter and have built many houses in freezing winter weather and roasted during the hot summer months.

I have also built lots of free houses for Habitat for Humanity-----those were the hardest on me----working with amateurs can age you before your time

But according to you and your expert friend who did the analysis my hands are fairing well----go figure!

BTW----everything I write is true

[edit on 31-1-2006 by sleeper]

From your earlier posts you have been in the military service in which you have "gain all of this knowledge" to give out about our friendly neighbors. Working construction for over thirty-five years does not give much time for the military career at 53. So when did you start?

Your hand has nothing to do with ET but they do have everything to do with you and your BS. Very close to finding who you really are. My friend, well lets just say he is working on it. To bad your ET freinds did not tell you about the new technology for hand print photos. Legally you gave up your rights by posting on a public forum with no copy rights on your photos.


Please note that I will not state who you are on this forum. I may U2 you to give confirmation.



[edit on 5-2-2006 by Truthforall]