Are extraterrestrials real? As real as the nose on your face.

Originally posted by one_small_step

Originally posted by sleeper

There was lots of darkness before and during WW2 and ET lifted the shades a bit and let some light into the world, they will continue to lift the blinders from the human race little by little, and as the blinders go so will the shackles of institutionalize ignorance.

Profound change visits earth every few decades and fifty years from now people will look back and not believe how dumb mankind was at the turn of this century


Of course excluding all those who read this post----and agree with me

I wish it would speed up, so many of our brothers and sisters die or deprived from the basics we all should be entitled to everyday because of our selfish & ignorant ways.

But in the grand scheme of things it is irrelevant hey

I wish they could help us be more compasionate beings than being caught up with economies and self worth.

All in good time I guess.

millions will die to realize million didnt have to.

Some people have to die to learn how to live-----those who have died are more alive than those who are on this planet---and think that they are alive.

Life and death are both illusion

People on this planet are here because they are not perfect

The trip to perfection is a long and treacherous journey----and not achieve easily in one life-----most people require many lifetimes to get there.

Originally posted by howmuchisthedoggy

Originally posted by sleeper
It was fear at the beginning but once they realized that America wasn’t going to finish them off and instead helped them rebuild their economy fear turned to respect.

I am sorry, but that is the most off the mark remark made about Japan and America's relationship. There isn't too much "respect" floating about Japan right now for the US. They may love the culture (it is designed to be universally loved after all!!) and all that jazz, but there is still a deep distrust, resentment and fear of foreigners.

Japan was under the spell of the wicked witch of the East and once that spell was broken Japan became a democracy and its people set free.

Err.....? and traded it to be put under spell of the wicked witch of the west?

I must be reading from a much more cynical songsheet...lol

True much of the world is focused today on what they perceive to be the wicked witch of the west----sixty years ago ET used the west to stop Japan, Germany, and Italy in their tracks.

Now the West is the bad guy

Anyway, there is no bad or good-----only learning experiences----it’s really that simple

What you do in any situation you find yourself in----determines what you are made of

The blame game is an earth level activity-----child’s play with no winners

Sleeper,

You are the riddle-master general!



Is it your intention to confuse us all?

Sleeper, still a bit puzzled...

Wouldn't an infinite loop of existance imply that the same "beings" that we see in the physical universe are reborn over and over. Keeping this in mind, wouldn't that mean that there are a finite number of beings that have ever existed in this physical realm? That means that my sould would have already experienced being me an infinite number of times and will again an infinite number of times in the future? And the same with every other being in the universe? I'll assume I misunderstood your answer, but how, in this situation, would we be able to never experience the same life more than once?

I don't know. Maybe I'm just taking what you said about the loop too literally.

Ps I appreciate that you have not yet left a question unanswered!

Originally posted by hobo_321
Sleeper, still a bit puzzled...

Wouldn't an infinite loop of existance imply that the same "beings" that we see in the physical universe are reborn over and over. Keeping this in mind, wouldn't that mean that there are a finite number of beings that have ever existed in this physical realm? That means that my sould would have already experienced being me an infinite number of times and will again an infinite number of times in the future? And the same with every other being in the universe? I'll assume I misunderstood your answer, but how, in this situation, would we be able to never experience the same life more than once?

I don't know. Maybe I'm just taking what you said about the loop too literally.

Ps I appreciate that you have not yet left a question unanswered!

Like I said it's a big universe trillions of times bigger then what is speculated---it will not keep expanding and then like a slinky fall bank to square one and start all over again----the only big bang happens on the fourth of July----it never gave birth to the cosmos

Because the universe is so big and the possibilities endless---it's really not a far stretch to believe that you will only live you life once-----but that’s not to say you can’t relive your life an infinite amount of times----you can.

Go to any beach in the world and pick up a grain of sand----throw it into the ocean-----what are the chances that you will ever pick up that same grain of sand?

Ah but the problem there is that if the universe is trillions of times bigger than what is thought then wouldn't that imply that it is still finite so there is a finite number of beings in this universe no matter how large. So put this together with what you said about everything has always existed and always will then this would mean that I have had forever to experience being every single living thing in the universe, therefore I have been everything an infinite number of times.

I can even express it mathematically...

I throw a grain of sand in to the sea, then I go and sit down and wait for it to fly right back into my hand.

The chances of this happening the same day I threw it in? lets say 1 in 9999999999^999999999999 (even that is probably an understatement).

So I guess im in trouble then. Surely I don't have that many days to wait for this to happen. Ive got something better: forever. So I have an infinite amount of days to wait ... ---->

1/9999999999^999999999999 X Infinity = Infinity

Therefore, this single grain of sand has not only fallen into my hand once its happened an infinite amount of times and still an infinite amount of times to come. The case is also the same for every other grain of sand in that ocean or on this planet in this universe. Basically, given forever, EVERYTHING will happen.

Either I haven't read between the lines properly or I've found the first rock hard inconsistency in your story.

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Originally posted by hobo_321
Ah but the problem there is that if the universe is trillions of times bigger than what is thought then wouldn't that imply that it is still finite so there is a finite number of beings in this universe no matter how large. So put this together with what you said about everything has always existed and always will then this would mean that I have had forever to experience being every single living thing in the universe, therefore I have been everything an infinite number of times.

I can even express it mathematically...

I throw a grain of sand in to the sea, then I go and sit down and wait for it to fly right back into my hand.

The chances of this happening the same day I threw it in? lets say 1 in 9999999999^999999999999 (even that is probably an understatement).

So I guess im in trouble then. Surely I don't have that many days to wait for this to happen. Ive got something better: forever. So I have an infinite amount of days to wait ... ---->

1/9999999999^999999999999 X Infinity = Infinity

Therefore, this single grain of sand has not only fallen into my hand once its happened an infinite amount of times and still an infinite amount of times to come. The case is also the same for every other grain of sand in that ocean or on this planet in this universe. Basically, given forever, EVERYTHING will happen.

Either I haven't read between the lines properly or I've found the first rock hard inconsistency in your story.

You are smart for a fourteen year old



Most souls have better things to do than wait for a grain of sand to come back to their hand, or live the same life over and over again

That’s why memory is wiped clean when entering into planets like earth----so that you can concentrate on this life-----as if it were your first time

Much of existence is that way----you don’t know that it’s forever----and you can’t know until you die.

Unless ET showed you

BTW, human based reasoning, mathematics and physics do not apply on the other side---

On earth the existence of a soul is contradictory to all scientific absolutes and theories----it does not compute

Sleeper,

Let me say I have been reading this thread for a while.
I must say it is interesting to say the least.

(Please excuse me if this question has already been asked)

If I may ask, what is your outlook/plan on the rest of your life since you have this knowledge of beyond/what is to come? Will you return here again for a repeat yourself? Or will you choose to move on to bigger and better things in the next realm/dimension? From what I've read, It is your choice.
What will your chosen "specific" job be if you do deside to move on past this realm/dimension. I'm pretty sure you have clear idea here also.

From my assumptions you have filled your "loved ones" in of any short comings they may have in this life? After all we are here to claim "perfection" to move on, correct?

For me I'd like to know I'll see my loved ones again after death. No matter where I go. You said we take that with us to. Only upon our return to earth will we have our memory wiped. What about if we move on? Will it be wiped again?

I can say I have seen a UFO close up. They are real.
No E.T. encounters that I know of yet.
My personal feelings are that of self awareness of this untaught unknown have been there from the beginning. Don't know how or why it just is. Greater purpose? Maybe. I'm optimistic.

Great thread

Originally posted by Diego

If I may ask, what is your outlook/plan on the rest of your life since you have this knowledge of beyond/what is to come? Will you return here again for a repeat yourself? Or will you choose to move on to bigger and better things in the next realm/dimension? From what I've read, It is your choice.
What will your chosen "specific" job be if you do deside to move on past this realm/dimension. I'm pretty sure you have clear idea here also.

I have been shown a few things but for the most part I have to take one day at a time

I will not returned to this planet for a long time, unless I am sent back or certain other circumstances pull be back

I am planning a long vacation before deciding on my next assignment

From my assumptions you have filled your "loved ones" in of any short comings they may have in this life? After all we are here to claim "perfection" to move on, correct?

My children are on the right track but not for perfection-----reaching perfection on earth is a rarity----but you can move on from here to other more challenging planets

For me I'd like to know I'll see my loved ones again after death. No matter where I go. You said we take that with us to. Only upon our return to earth will we have our memory wiped. What about if we move on? Will it be wiped again?

When you die you will see friends and family on the other side that are in the in between place----staging area before you or they go elsewhere----and you will be fully aware of those you left behind----as much as you want to be----until you enter a new life

If you return to earth or another planet like it your memory will be wiped----but the higher the level you achieve you retain more and more----regardless of where you go

I can say I have seen a UFO close up. They are real.
No E.T. encounters that I know of yet.
My personal feelings are that of self awareness of this untaught unknown have been there from the beginning. Don't know how or why it just is. Greater purpose? Maybe. I'm optimistic.

Chances are if you have seen a UFO up close you have been inside it

Sleeper,

I've been thinking about what you've been saying about what happens when we die. Right now I am aware of myself and I only have the knowledge that I have gathered in this lifetime. I eat, drink, talk, and sleep etc. This person is me! Now then, when I die do I instantly become me again in the 'staging area'? Will I have all the memories that I have attained through this life. Will I be able to say to myelf that sleeper was right?

In the staging area I have the choice of where my next destination will be or I can stay in the staging area if I choose. Is this staging area where poltergeists exist? You have said previously that poltergeists can be humans or aliens, and that when we use the ouija board this is who we communicate with. So logically speaking this must be the place you are referring to.

Someone asked you about de ja vu in a previous page. And I think you said that if you think that you have been somewhere before, then you most likely have. Are you talking about this lifetime or a previous one? If you are saying that people that have experienced de ja vu really have been there before in a previous lifetime, then that means that pretty much everyone has had a previous lifetime, because I don't know anyone that hasn't experienced de ja vu at least once in their (current) life.

Originally posted by TheObserver
Sleeper,

I've been thinking about what you've been saying about what happens when we die. Right now I am aware of myself and I only have the knowledge that I have gathered in this lifetime. I eat, drink, talk, and sleep etc. This person is me! Now then, when I die do I instantly become me again in the 'staging area'? Will I have all the memories that I have attained through this life. Will I be able to say to myelf that sleeper was right?

You never stop be you when you die----you will be aware of more that what you are aware of now

All your memories will be intact and crystal clear----unlike they are here on earth.

You will know sleeper was right

In the staging area I have the choice of where my next destination will be or I can stay in the staging area if I choose. Is this staging area where poltergeists exist? You have said previously that poltergeists can be humans or aliens, and that when we use the ouija board this is who we communicate with. So logically speaking this must be the place you are referring to.

In the staging area you and others will decided what’s best for you----take it easy in the staging area----go visit other planets in physical or spirit form including this planet----or move on to other advanced planets-----if you are really good you might even get to be a super star

If you commit suicide -----without just cause----- you will be returned back to this planet very quickly and placed into much more difficult circumstances-----no ifs, ands, or buts

Yes you can be a poltergeist and come back here and mess with those playing with Ouija boards

Someone asked you about de ja vu in a previous page. And I think you said that if you think that you have been somewhere before, then you most likely have. Are you talking about this lifetime or a previous one? If you are saying that people that have experienced de ja vu really have been there before in a previous lifetime, then that means that pretty much everyone has had a previous lifetime, because I don't know anyone that hasn't experienced de ja vu at least once in their (current) life.

There are more than six billion souls on earth do you know for sure that they all have experienced it?

-You are smart for a fourteen year old
Thankyou, I don't get that that much as it's hard to apply this sort of thinking when it comes to straight forward school work.

-Most souls have better things to do than wait for a grain of sand to come back to their hand, or live the same life over and over again.
Surely, you understand that I merely used this as a comparison (like you did... "Go to any beach in the world and pick up a grain of sand----throw it into the ocean"), for it to be an easier read. (I'm not implying that you wouldnt understand what I'm trying to say)

-That’s why memory is wiped clean when entering into planets like earth----so that you can concentrate on this life-----as if it were your first time
Much of existence is that way----you don’t know that it’s forever----and you can’t know until you die. Unless ET showed you.
This has little relevance to my argument and if anything makes it more valid.

BTW, human based reasoning, mathematics and physics do not apply on the other side---
This reminds me of "copouts" that religion skeptics often point out (Just saying the reason I don't believe it is because it's far more complicated than I could even imagine... something you're implying with this comment.) and lets not forget you dont feel much more than contempt when it comes to the concept of religion. So, do I detect a hint of hypocracy?

Nothing you said here says that my soul won't experience everything and infinite number of times, if your claims were to be true. Perhaps each time existence in the physical realm "loops" it hosts new beings? But that means that it would be a different universe, doesnt it? My CD player wouldn't be playing the same song.

To finish off this argument: - ...the universe is so big and the possibilities endless What you said here is false if it were correct it would look like this: ...the universe is so infinitely big and the possibilities endless.

Please tell me theres something more to this as I would miss discussing this highly intereseting subject.

But just to show I still have some faith in what you've said, here are some questions that I'll ask assuming this is true...

Does your family know about your connection with ET?

What made you feel inclined to tell a few people you don't know, over internet forums, about the "real" situation with ET? (I could think of a few reasons but would prefer to hear from you)

Lets say you had to guess an exact date (no matter how cluelless you are of when it will happen. I just like to hear other peoples guesses.) of disclosure or more precisely the exact date we will all know that aliens exist, what would your guess be?
Mines, lets say, August the 24th 2046. Its that easy.

BTW kudos on deciphering my arguments as not many people can, due to the fact that they can be poorly structured and often contain a healthy amount innacurately applied vocabulary.

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Originally posted by hobo_321
Does your family know about your connection with ET?

Yes

What made you feel inclined to tell a few people you don't know, over internet forums, about the "real" situation with ET? (I could think of a few reasons but would prefer to hear from you)

I came for the fame and fortune

Lets say you had to guess an exact date (no matter how cluelless you are of when it will happen. I just like to hear other peoples guesses.) of disclosure or more precisely the exact date we will all know that aliens exist, what would your guess be?
Mines, lets say, August the 24th 2046. Its that easy.

There will never be full disclosure where ET will announce they are here----disclosure takes place one soul at a time----in the privacy of their ship.

I think you just need to go into more depth with this looping existence idea as I'm getting the impression that your ignoring my argument... Im not saying that its because you're lying and you can't think of anything to say. Is it possible you can't explain it yourself? Can humans not understand how the universe started, why it exists, how it loops etc?

So if you can, just tell me everything you know about why the same universe has always existed and always will do.

Also can you explain away the radiation that scientists claim is from the big bang and the fact that its been documented that scientists have already observed the birth of the universe through state-of-the-art telescopes?(i cant remember when or through what telescope but I remember I read it on cnn.com) Are these stories just a cover up?

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All this talk about multiple lives... How about the science... Fairy tale and faith is nice and all. Here's the facts.

Billions of sperm race towards an egg to create a human being... now it's strange to think that in two different times and places. With two different fathers and mothers... that the same sperm happens to land on the same egg again... ohhh the wonders of Re-incarnation... lol enjoy the ride you guys. He's going to take you wherever you let him. I'd suggest thinking for yourselves.

Oh.... wait.... insert spirits and souls here.... that brings it all into fruition.

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Originally posted by hobo_321
I think you just need to go into more depth with this looping existence idea as I'm getting the impression that your ignoring my argument... Im not saying that its because you're lying and you can't think of anything to say. Is it possible you can't explain it yourself? Can humans not understand how the universe started, why it exists, how it loops etc?

Do you think that the human mind is perfect? Evolution’s greatest masterpiece?

In the big picture the human mind is no more than a calculator----processes numbers and probabilities----human minds are barely conscience----their only purpose in life is to ask questions----who am I----what’s my purpose in life-----is this all there is-----what does that remind you of?-----perhaps an inquisitive child----and I’m talking about adult minds.

I’m not denigrating----only pointing out facts

So if you can, just tell me everything you know about why the same universe has always existed and always will do.

The body you reside in is like a universe----every cell renews itself and every few days you have a completely new body-----the universe is the same it constantly renews itself

And as far as why----no particular reason-----because there could be an infinite number of reasons----and yet not enough to satisfy everyone

Also can you explain away the radiation that scientists claim is from the big bang and the fact that its been documented that scientists have already observed the birth of the universe through state-of-the-art telescopes?(i cant remember when or through what telescope but I remember I read it on cnn.com) Are these stories just a cover up?

The radiation is from massive stars and galaxies being recycled which gives off enormous amounts of radiation across the spectrum----this radiation comes from what scientist believe to be the edge of the universe because that is the furthest their instruments can pick up these exotic particles, which is about thirteen billion light years away----they think

They are so off base it’s almost embarrassing----but that’s another thread---I’m not going to get into that here.

Sleeper, so the quest for perfection is virtually unatainable in this life?

So why try, some may be asking? If eternity greets us after what we percieve as death, big deal!!! Lets just party or play the chance game, afterall there is no end.

In your answers, which I still appreciate, there seems to be underlying controls which elude to higher protocols of existance.

The whole suicide thing - if you instantly come back, then suicide again some years later, or if you will 'perhaps' a suicide loop, you say you will be faced with harder challenges. Is it safe to say that this soul will never get better - essentially living a life of neverending hardship? If they suicide in the first place, you can only assume they will do it again if the next life will be harder than the first.

On a final note, if all you are saying is true, and the human mind is barely conscious, why bother even informing us? Your answers point us in a direction that is pointless to even question.
Its somewhat reassuring to a degree- just enjoy and make the most of this one folks, the best is yet to come...........

thanks again for your time.

Sleeper, although you have answered all my questions sufficiently (thanks) please understand all the questions I ask, I ask as someone you believes your story 100 percent, as this makes things much more simple. And by all means I do not believe the human mind is perfect. I think you took this: "Can humans not understand how the universe started, why it exists, how it loops etc?" as a retorical question and/or I was implying the idea was absurd. Honestly I'm not that ignorant. Nor did I think you were belittling the human race.

Please, once you have read this post ignore as I feel I'm hogging the thread at the moment and I only replied because I'm quite unhealthily self conscious and I dont like the thought of anyone (even people I don't know on internet forums) getting the wrong idea about my beliefs and opinions.

I'm christian although very often feel as if I'm a severely confused agnostic. Even if your story is true, I would still do my best to follow the ten commandments and I believe everyone else should as if god does not exist that does not make his teachings fundamentally/morally wrong.

Unnecessary? Yes.

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Originally posted by one_small_step
Sleeper, so the quest for perfection is virtually unatainable in this life?

You tell me-----how many perfect people have you run into or read about throughout history? I’m not talking about those who think they are perfect----that would be at least half the population if not more

So why try, some may be asking? If eternity greets us after what we percieve as death, big deal!!! Lets just party or play the chance game, afterall there is no end.

There is no end to the universe but not so for souls, however most souls are salvageable----and BTW there is nothing wrong with merriment

The whole suicide thing - if you instantly come back, then suicide again some years later, or if you will 'perhaps' a suicide loop, you say you will be faced with harder challenges. Is it safe to say that this soul will never get better - essentially living a life of neverending hardship? If they suicide in the first place, you can only assume they will do it again if the next life will be harder than the first.

Hardships are not the cause of suicide if it were there would be no people in Third Word Countries----where BTW suicide is low compared to the rest of the world.

Many people commit suicide to get back at a parent or lover----they do it out of anger and revenge----and it works----suicide is devastating for those left to pick up the pieces

Many people have thoughts of suicide but the vast majority doesn’t carry it out-----there is no suicide loop

All suicide is not wrong----terminally ill, and other circumstances like honor---- Samurai warriors and others defeated in battle----the reason behind it makes a difference

On a final note, if all you are saying is true, and the human mind is barely conscious, why bother even informing us? Your answers point us in a direction that is pointless to even question.

Because the saying----search and you will find----is a legitimate statement----everyone is searching and most will not find-----and that’s not important----but they will get a big surprise when they wake up from this life

Its somewhat reassuring to a degree- just enjoy and make the most of this one folks, the best is yet to come...........

Isn’t that what life should be about?-----not worrying about every little thing 24/7

and what makes you sleeper the expert in this field exactly? seems your preaching how things are in *your* universe - but what gives you the position of all knowing?? - can you base one shred of this on any docterate? (and do you have a tin foil hat?)