Are extraterrestrials real? As real as the nose on your face.

Originally posted by Shadowshocker163
Sleeper, We can create something that carries a soul, which is known as a human being. These human beings are made by having sex. I guess my question is, will humans ever create something else that a soul is put into. I'm not saying that the humans transfer the soul out of the human and into a machine, but whatever it is that puts our souls into a human body, can it put it into a machine that a human has made.

For example, Sperm and Egg combine making a baby, soul then enters baby.
Is there another way?
For example, Human makes machine, soul enters machine instead of a baby.

I guess I'm asking can a soul ever enter something other than a natural born baby?

Humans did not create the human body----the human body is self perpetuating----sex is the mechanism

ET can insert a soul into anything even a piece of wood

Humans on the other hand----would you want to be put into something a human made? Even advanced humans?

Also I was wondering what did you believe in as a child and as you got older how did this chance? Did you believe in what your family believed in because you were scared they might be right? (For example, did you question your religion in your head, but were too scared to ever say anything aloud cause you were scared of going to a hell or something like that?) And if you eventually changed your ideas from theirs or told them what they belived what'd they think?

My mother was very Catholic in her beliefs and I did believe in Christianity but I never was good at it----I went to church as a child but stopped when I became a teenager----I started back up when I had children just to give them something to chew on.

I was never afraid of going to hell----it never made sense to me that a loving father---god----would send his children to eternal damnation----I never discussed religion with my parents----they had their beliefs and I had mine.

Originally posted by sleeper
ET can insert a soul into anything even a piece of wood

You say this like ET's are so incredibly great when really their the same souls as we are, give or take a few lifetimes lived on different planets.

I mean, if we are the exact the same souls just ET's have the upper hand cause they've been put into a body that is on a much more advanced planet then why can't we figure things out like they can. What is keeping this planet behind? There has to be a better reason then that their planet has been around longer. And why do we forget everything during our lifetimes spent on different planets? How are we supposed to reach anything if everytime we enter a planet we forget everything and are just given a new obstacle (our lives) with the same question (what are we here for?) from a different point of view? I know that you said we will remember everything after each lifetime, but if we can't remember it during our current lifetimes then we can't really accomplish anything until after we die.


And also how can you trust everything the aliens have taught you? What if your completely wrong and when we die that's it....everythings over?

As much as I want to believe you Sleeper my mind always continuously questions everything. I would like for everything you said to be right and that when I die I'll go to another lifetime when I'm ready. I really don't want it to just end. But as usual I'll come up with another question which will doubt everything until it's answered. And I'm only 15 so I have to put up with this for a long time (most likely). Why can other people become so easily convinced in a religion without ever having to question anything? At first I thought maybe it was a good thing that I'm not so easily convinced on one main idea. But now it's just interupting this life that I'm going to have to put up with for awhile.

And that brings me back to the same point, what if when this life is over, everything is over and my one chance at life I couldn't just enjoy it while it lasted?

[edit on 9-2-2006 by Shadowshocker163]

Originally posted by Shadowshocker163

Originally posted by sleeper
ET can insert a soul into anything even a piece of wood

You say this like ET's are so incredibly great when really their the same souls as we are, give or take a few lifetimes lived on different planets.

I mean, if we are the exact the same souls just ET's have the upper hand cause they've been put into a body that is on a much more advanced planet then why can't we figure things out like they can. What is keeping this planet behind?

This planet is not behind it is exactly where is should be----all the problems in this world are here to be resolved----most will do good to resolve their own problems----if that’s all they are up to doing then that is fine.

There has to be a better reason then that their planet has been around longer. And why do we forget everything during our lifetimes spent on different planets? How are we supposed to reach anything if everytime we enter a planet we forget everything and are just given a new obstacle (our lives) with the same question (what are we here for?) from a different point of view? I know that you said we will remember everything after each lifetime, but if we can't remember it during our current lifetimes then we can't really accomplish anything until after we die.

Perhaps the only thing you have to do while on this planet is finish school, find something you are interested in and make the best of it, get married and have a family----enjoy this life as much as you can----and stop worrying about all the details

And also how can you trust everything the aliens have taught you? What if your completely wrong and when we die that's it....everythings over?

ET can’t lie, not so for humans-----when we die it’s not over----it’s never over unless somewhere down the line you decided to pull the plug----or you are so bad that they give up on you----which is rare

As much as I want to believe you Sleeper my mind always continuously questions everything. I would like for everything you said to be right and that when I die I'll go to another lifetime when I'm ready. I really don't want it to just end. But as usual I'll come up with another question which will doubt everything until it's answered. And I'm only 15 so I have to put up with this for a long time (most likely). Why can other people become so easily convinced in a religion without ever having to question anything? At first I thought maybe it was a good thing that I'm not so easily convinced on one main idea. But now it's just interupting this life that I'm going to have to put up with for awhile.

Every body is full of questions about life even the clergy----most don’t show it-----relax and enjoy the ride-----your not going to know everything because human brains are blocked so take what you can use and move on with your life----life really is not that big of a deal

And that brings me back to the same point, what if when this life is over, everything is over and my one chance at life I couldn't just enjoy it while it lasted?

No one is stopping you from enjoying this life but if you screw it up you will get many more chances to make things right

Just like in this life there are people that fail but they get back on the horse and keep going----that’s what it is all about----never giving up

Yay for life sending us round in circles!!

[edit]: put a space between the smiley dude and the thumbs up...

[edit on 10-2-2006 by Monkeyz]

I see you have been inside my ship and from your description it sounds like I forgot to turn off the holodeck controls.

Originally posted by sleeper


Perhaps the only thing you have to do while on this planet is finish school, find something you are interested in and make the best of it, get married and have a family----enjoy this life as much as you can----and stop worrying about all the details

I'll just quote this. Even though my comments really relate to all postings by Sleeper.

For someone who wanted to inform others of their experience of being able to witness an event you say you experience I wonder what gives you the right to PREACH to others YOUR views.

Tell me why when you started this thread you started off by explaining what you saw and you had this erg to inform others. But now all I see is are your comments and replies based on how YOU think others should act or live life.

I really do find it ironic that anyone who may have experienced some phenomena that they would relate what they saw and how they felt about that experience for that time frame. I do not see or understand why you think you have answers or directions on how others should live their life or view life through your eyes if you are only informing others of how you FEEL life should be viewed.

Should that not be from the message you wish to relay in what you’ve experienced with your senses? Do you lack faith in your own senses, story so much so that you have or need these additional questions answered based on your views alone?

I apologize if I derailed this thread. But I've come to the conclusion that you only wanted others to view this thread with a cheap story of what you experienced so that you can inform others of your views on how life the universe exists in your mind or others who I would deem as your disciples.

Near the end of all these posts I view your answers as a parent trying to explain the unexplainable with philosophical answers. Attempting to give answers that are not really answers but words put together to be taken as gospel because you say so and due to what you experienced.

Attempting to be someone’s answers and prayers over the net is a tad childish and cruel to those weak of mind and spirit.

If you honestly feel you have a message to spread or relay then by all means write it down on paper and find a publisher.. send it to the media. If you have such strong convictions in your beliefs and know it can stand up to all types of ridicule and challenges you would not be concerned who heard what you needed to say and how you said it.

But no.. you rather take it here on ATS and swoon others into your little tirade of story telling and have others believe you have a fraction of the answers about the universe/life/our existance.

You sir is why people like myself question those who had legit sightings and wonderful experiences.

To me this thread is a farse and should be deleted as it benifits no one not even those weak of mind and lost in spirit.



[edit on 10-2-2006 by Wilbert]

Wilbert-----are you

Jealous that ET didn't give you a ride in their big ship?

Or you had a difficult life and no one loves and understands you?

So you surf the net looking for threads you don't agree with and attack them because it makes you feel alive?

Perhaps my thread ruined your fantasy about ever becoming a Star Ship commander and you are lashing out at me?

Or is it all of the above?

If I so offend you why do you keep coming back to read my thread-----to save others from what I write?

You can’t burn my book----in order to save the world from sleeper------so you ask that my thread be removed

I can see your point by experiences and ideas are very dangerous and they must be stopped.


[edit on 10-2-2006 by sleeper]

Originally posted by sleeper
Wilbert-----are you

Jealous that ET didn't give you a ride in their big ship?

Or you had a difficult life and no one loves and understands you?

So you surf the net looking for threads you don't agree with and attack them because it makes you feel alive?

Perhaps my thread ruined your fantasy about ever becoming a Star Ship commander and you are lashing out at me?

Or is it all of the above?

If I so offend you why do you keep coming back to read my thread-----to save others from what I write?

You can’t burn my book----in order to save the world from sleeper------so you ask that my thread be removed

I can see your point by experiences and ideas are very dangerous and they must be stopped.


[edit on 10-2-2006 by sleeper]

Jealous.. nope.. Easy life compared to others which I consider myself blessed and I am loved by loved ones. For someone who wishes to preach Love you do know how to TRY to push others buttons. Does dwelling on negativity allow one to aspire to be on a higher plane if they can distinguesh the differances?

I find it ironic you would be so quick to find negative things about my character.. I only questioned your method of delivery of something you may or may not have witnessed and how you turned an experience with your senses into a gospel of how you think others should live life or see it.

You don’t offend me, but I seem to be offending you for some odd reason, and I find you're offending others intellect by turning what others think as being negative by believing in your views as being factual because of something you say you witnessed.

Bringing to light what your senses witnessed is a far cry of what you are preaching to others on how they should view their life and those around them. Just as you simply decided to place my name as that of negativity because I disagree with your change of communicating from one of being informative to being a preacher. Now you wish to play good versus evil??

How does that relate to what you may have seen or experienced.. What makes you so sure your entities are that of the utmost if there are multiple entities in every plane of this existence or in other planes of existence.

Because man used fire when lightning stuck a tree and we found a use for it does not mean we knew how it worked then, only that we could use it based on our needs and desire. I see you want to be that lightning and fill others needs with your views and opinions. This is way off from your original posts where you were merely discussing what your senses endured and how your mind tried to make sense of it all. I see you searching for answers yourself but yet wish to give answers to others when you don't even understand it either. You see the fire but yet lack the knowledge or comprehend how it's all tied together.

So ya.. I think your posts are farse and negative to ATS and to the general public. If this was in the religions area of ATS then I would not say a thing and let you preach your gospil.

P.S.. and Sleeper whats with all the questions.. I thought your expierance opened something inside of you that allowed you to have some special insight? I am not belittling you. I am only pointing out the obvious from the lack of prof you offer other then your WORDS.


P.P.S.

Are extraterrestrials real? As real as the nose on your face.

This only covers the MAJORITY of people. What of those who dont have a nose due to birth defects, accidents and does a nose job count since it may be fake? Are we only going to relay your gospil and views to those who have real noses and may or may not be able to see it. But then again you mentioned you dont know if you have a nose unless you look in the mirror. So blind faith until the prof is viewed? Hmmm.. so we should take your WORDS as blind faith on how my life or others should be viewed by you.

Sleeper

The truth is as clear as the nose on your face, but we can't see our own noses very well unless we look in the mirror.

Sleeper

So you surf the net looking for threads you don't agree with and attack them because it makes you feel alive?

I dont attack.. are you saying I should not be an individaul and question those around me? If I or others loose sight of being unique and and individual then what purpose do I have as a person here now or anytime if I must follow blindly to others views? lol.. Segragate the unbelievers to keep harmony within the community. Lets all start giving me titles and names which will denounce my text and views so I and others like myself will no better then to question anything that happens around us.

Sleeper

What government is going to admit they are inferior? Really inferior, like an ant against an elephant.

Governments are terrified of the aliens----should they tell that to the people?

So basically your saying do not rely on the goverment to give guidance but rely on you because you were as privy as they where to see such wonders. So we should follow you blindly in your views and beliefs of what life is and what we are as individuals?

Tell me.. how does one feel having followers follow you with blind faith? What a power trip you must be having.. Although I still do not for the life of me understand what this has to do with aliens being real or not.


[edit on 10-2-2006 by Wilbert]

Let me just bring to light what you said in another post.

Originally posted by sleeper
With that reasoning Galileo and a handful of others were the only ones that lived on a planet that revolved around the sun.

Everyone else lived on a planet where the sun moved around the world until a few centuries later when it became obvious-----they were wrong.

People lived on a flat planet for thousands of years----until sometime around 1492----when the earth miraculously turned somewhat round, and ships stopped falling off the edges.

It’s a tad rude and arrogant to presume to know what others have seen or experienced.

Being a skeptic is fine; presuming to know what others have seen is fine if you are a god, otherwise it’s childish arrogance.

Thousands “know” that ETs are here-----if you didn’t get the memo----that does not negate the reality for those that did.

So you know me so well that my views and opinions would be questioned. Never mind questioning my experianced as others asked of you but my character.

Not sure if it's due to your communicational skills or your arrogance. Let each of us obsorb and believe what we will with the information presented to us be it here or in the past.

I am not posting any denial if aliens exist. I am posting my observation of a poster "Seeker" looking for attention and followers for something he/she does not grasp and wishes to pass this on to others. Someone who wishes to PLAY a miniGod in others lives perhaps? I don't know or care. Only wish to inform others to not get sucked in and fill "Sleeper's" inflated ego.

Sleeper

ET can’t lie, not so for humans

Your human right Sleeper... Also who are you or what gives you the right to inform others of what ET's can and can't do?

If you believe as others do you will also admit that there are multiple ET's. And if you believe this then would you also believe that they are as diferant to each other as we are differant on earth?

I know.. lets simplify this.. and group individuals together and put have not's in one area and have too's in another. Then remove individualality and start LABELING what each group represents and believes. Oh boy.. are we having fun yet???


See where I'm coming from now Sleeper... .and why I think YOUR postings and your's alone is full of trash.

By all means collect information and attempt to explain what your senses was privy too with links and explanations so others who have not been privy can grasp what your senses been through.... but stop with the philisopical mumbo jumbo. I already made up my mind of you being a phony and attention grabber who wants others under your wings so you can feel you have some purpose on this green earth.

[edit on 10-2-2006 by Wilbert]

Calm down a bit Wilbert!

I can see that you don't agree with sleeper, but lay off the insults please, it is totally unnecessary.

You can put forward arguements without upsetting anyone if you try. You come accross as very negative and preacher-like.

Try to address that in your future posts in this thread please.

Originally posted by TheObserver
Calm down a bit Wilbert!

I can see that you don't agree with sleeper, but lay off the insults please, it is totally unnecessary.

You can put forward arguements without upsetting anyone if you try. You come accross as very negative and preacher-like.

Try to address that in your future posts in this thread please.

Well excuse me if my posts don't come off as a Tickle-Me-Elmo Doll.

Just because my posts do not sound politically correct does not give it less merit in the message I am also attempting to relay. Or does it?

Sleepers reply is to ask if I'm Jelous, what kind of hardships did my life have for me if any and he assumes the only reason I surf the net is to find things to discredit.

It's all cozy and warm behind a locked door feeling so sure of oneself while being content in ones mind. But does that make for a better world all around? Or even a better person for that matter?

If my posts ring a cord be it negative or not thats to bad. It's how I wish to communicate in this paticuar thread. If one is so filled with passion in what one does or believes should they merage their passion so others are not offended?

This thread seemed tangable when it started but then I see Sleeper using this to preach his gospel. Did I state or deny that Sleeper actually be a witness to something extra ordinary? All I am saying in a strong and pointed fact is that Sleeper deviated from his original path in this thread. And it will be he who will post why if he wants to or not.

Wilbert it is obvious that it is you who are seeking attention you can’t come up with any ideas on your own so you highjack threads that get lots of hits-----leaching off of them

You are also deceitful----you changed your identity from dgoodpasture to wilbert

Who do you think you are fooling?

It’s also obvious that you are a Christian------which is fine-----but you are one of those types that have a burning need for most of the population to burn in hell for eternity-----to justify your own goodness

Well I hate to burst your bubble but no one is going to burn in hell for eternity----so that you can play the harp on cloud nine and taunt those evil sinners from above

PS I’m sure you mean well

Originally posted by sleeper
Wilbert it is obvious that it is you who are seeking attention you can’t come up with any ideas

What ideals?? Thought you wanted to post what you experianced but now state these are your Ideals and hence why you think I am not welcomed because I challenge your posts? Is this not what PUBLIC BOARDS are for?

on your own so you highjack threads that get lots of hits-----leaching off of them

You are also deceitful----you changed your identity from dgoodpasture to wilbert

Not Hi-jacking any threads. Just informing you and the populace that you've nicely de-reailed your original goal.

Who do you think you are fooling?

It’s also obvious that you are a Christian------which is fine-----but you are one of those types that have a burning need for most of the population to burn in hell for eternity-----to justify your own goodness

Well I hate to burst your bubble but no one is going to burn in hell for eternity----so that you can play the harp on cloud nine and taunt those evil sinners from above

PS I’m sure you mean well

Pointing out and improperly segregating me to a community I may or may not belong too. And also prophesizing what my intentions are for others who may read too much into what I have to say?


No where did I ever post what religion I am associated with. Where did you come to the conclusion I am Christian?


So it's come to this.. what religion I am and what my intents are from someone who originally posted about an ET expieriance. Who Hi-Jacked the thread. You may have started it but you turned it to your own little personal crusade to preach your beliefs by starting off with what you wish others to believe your expierianced.

[edit on 10-2-2006 by Wilbert]

Be careful Mr. Wilber dgoodpasture

Lying is a sin and you may go to hell for eternity for doing it----and then you will not be able to taunt those evil sinners

All your posts are hateful lies----every thing you say is recorded for eternity and you will have to make amends for your evil deeds


[edit on 10-2-2006 by sleeper]

Sleeper, you should write a book about this.

It sounds so darned interesting.

Just make sure you tell everyone its FICTION next time.

Or did you snap some pics? Got any eyewitnesses?

Originally posted by sleeper
Be careful Mr. Wilber dgoodpasture

Lying is a sin and you may go to hell for eternity for doing it----and then you will not be able to taunt those evil sinners

All your posts are hateful lies----every thing you say is recorded for eternity and you will have to make amends for your evil deeds


[edit on 10-2-2006 by sleeper]

Yes yes... and all this has something to do with your experiances with an alien ship or beings.. ok.. you got me. I confess.. I'm only human.

I should not have pointed out that informing others of ones experiances is different with what one beliefs are.

Originally posted by Wilbert

What ideals?? Thought you wanted to post what you experianced but now state these are your Ideals and hence why you think I am not welcomed because I challenge your posts?

"Ideals"? Where did that come from? As best I can tell, sleeper's only answering the questions put to him based upon his beliefs and experiences. I don't think he's adverse to being challenged but I also don't think he understands the vitriol. And I don't either. Challenge away, that's kinda why we're here. But in my opinion, you're going a bit beyond challenging the message to attacking the messenger. And we know where that leads.

Personally I don't believe we've been visited by any extraterrestrial intelligence, ever. But I'm prepared, in the light of hard non-anecdotal evidence, to be wrong.

Originally posted by sleeper
Be careful Mr. Wilber dgoodpasture

Lying is a sin and you may go to hell for eternity for doing it----and then you will not be able to taunt those evil sinners

All your posts are hateful lies----every thing you say is recorded for eternity and you will have to make amends for your evil deeds


[edit on 10-2-2006 by sleeper]

Excuse me... why is my name being mentioned in the crazy "I know it all" person's thread? I have nothing to do with Mr. Wilber... if that is what you were implying. Don't get me involved Sleeper... You like to keep telling everyone your beliefs... don't you? That being said... be careful what you say. I am not Mr Wilber... and asserting that I am is a lie in its own. Preach on brother... but preach honestly or I'll come get you.(and leave me out of it... I stopped posting here a long time ago... I'm involved with Serpo right now)

Peace and love in truth,
David.

[edit on 10-2-2006 by dgoodpasture]

Originally posted by dgoodpasture

Originally posted by sleeper
Be careful Mr. Wilber dgoodpasture

Lying is a sin and you may go to hell for eternity for doing it----and then you will not be able to taunt those evil sinners

All your posts are hateful lies----every thing you say is recorded for eternity and you will have to make amends for your evil deeds


[edit on 10-2-2006 by sleeper]

Excuse me... why is my name being mentioned in the crazy "I know it all" person's thread? I have nothing to do with Mr. Wilber... if that is what you were implying. Don't get me involved Sleeper... You like to keep telling everyone your beliefs... don't you?

Peace and love in truth,
David.

Gee and here I thought I was being labeled.

Sleeper

You are also deceitful----you changed your identity from dgoodpasture to wilbert

Ok now I know what your refering here. I am in no way shape or form related to dgoodpasture or even knew he existed on ATS until he actually posted. It's ok.. you're only human after all.



[edit on 10-2-2006 by Wilbert]

Yeah, I'm sorry Wilber... We've got another Prophet Yahweh rising up here. Except, at least it appears to me, that Yahweh actually makes things appear in the sky. Sleeper just claims to actually be the all knowing yahweh... I wonder what him and Ramon talk about telekenetically....

[edit on 10-2-2006 by dgoodpasture]