Are extraterrestrials real? As real as the nose on your face.

Originally posted by sleeper
ET doesn’t do everything for us we are here for a purpose----but that purpose is not necessarily the occupation we find ourselves in----but it may be.

Sleeper, do you know what your purpose is here? Is it possible for us to know what our purpose is?

Sleeper,
Another thing that occurs to me is if ET is so intelligent and so busy going about their business, do they appreciate the brilliant things that humans do like a beautiful artwork or our music. Do they have a sense of humour? Do they think we are funny? What about a sense of adventure? What do they think of our movies?

The ET that you portray seems so scientific, does ET have time to play games?

Originally posted by TheObserver

Originally posted by sleeper
Poltergeist can hear your thoughts when you seek them out----a door often best left closed

Please tell me why this is the case. What is your definition of a poltergeist anyway?

If you could put on magic glasses you would see a soup of entities everywhere you looked----like a crowded dial on your radio----each entity representing a frequency

They know the rules of the game and can observe but not interfere with humans----unless the contact is initiated by a human----in which case the human may become an object for fun---

We can talk to loved ones that have passed on simply by thinking about them

What humans see and understand as difficult situation needing resolution----carries little weight on the other side----like a child�s complaints or simple naive curiosities.

Poltergeist can be what we call ghosts and even ETs

The dead as we call them are more alive and aware than anyone on earth

I can understand that ET would not like to be engaged in idle chit-chat, but in all fariness if I was to speak to ET the last thing on my mind would be to talk to him about the weather! But why do you say unpleasant? What could possibly be unpleasant about talking to a greater mind?

When talking about ET the intellect differential is vast----like talking to a pet that doesn�t know you-----the animal---human----is spooked easily

But there are some that take human form and make conversation possible----many people have had contact with them they just don�t know it

Ok so here's the real deal: I am aware of ET's existance, and I am not going to go loopy if they talk to me, and I want to talk to them, or rather I want them to talk to me. So how do I initiate this? Is there anything that I can do that says to ET that I am 'ready'??

Only ET knows when you are ready-----but being ready is not a prerequisite for an encounter

Can you imagine the line that would form if ET had an open door policy?

Originally posted by TheObserver

Originally posted by sleeper
ET doesn’t do everything for us we are here for a purpose----but that purpose is not necessarily the occupation we find ourselves in----but it may be.

Sleeper, do you know what your purpose is here? Is it possible for us to know what our purpose is?

Our purpose is anything that helps us move forward in this life

If you can get through the illusion of difficulties we all are presented with and remain happy and content you have achieved your purpose

Everything else is filler

Originally posted by TheObserver
Sleeper,
Another thing that occurs to me is if ET is so intelligent and so busy going about their business, do they appreciate the brilliant things that humans do like a beautiful artwork or our music. Do they have a sense of humour? Do they think we are funny? What about a sense of adventure? What do they think of our movies?

The ET that you portray seems so scientific, does ET have time to play games?

They tape some stuff to their refrigerator door

They never get my jokes----so I would say no

If you could see from where they are coming from----their cities-----cultural centers----entertainment districts, etc, we come up a bit short

Remember how fascinating the play ground at the park was when you were young-----how about today?-----ET was once or twice in our shoes

Science can be a lot of fun, especially the kind of stuff they get to play with!

hi, sleeper.
What you've stated over the last few post seems to imply that it's not humans who figure things out its the aliens who implant the thoughts in our brains so we think we figured it out. Why would they do that? I mean surely it would be much more healthy for a civilization to evolve on it's own and if they kill each other or dont advance that surely means that they aren't beings that are fit to handle the powers that the more advanced beings have (who acquire their technology through natural intelligence). Surely a civilization that got itself to where ever it gets is far better than one thats almost "cheating"? You could look at it like this: Why, if Bob wants to get big and strong, would he take steroids instead of doing it himself? Why doesn't he get there himself doing the more healthy alternative: lifting weights?

What about the first civilization that ever was how did they get by? (what was first the chicken or the egg?) Is ET just going to keep leading mankind, blindfolded, for ever? Whats the point of having a civilization that has no independence? A civilization that couldn't survive on its own?(even if you say they wont ever be left on their own I think its still an important principal)

Thats one of the things in your story that I find inconsistant.

Sorry if this argument is badly constructed/fragmented but Im tired and angry wanted to take a break from my homework if only a short one as this question has been bugging me.

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Originally posted by hobo_321
hi, sleeper.
What you've stated over the last few post seems to imply that it's not humans who figure things out its the aliens who implant the thoughts in our brains so we think we figured it out. Why would they do that? I mean surely it would be much more healthy for a civilization to evolve on it's own and if they kill each other or dont advance that surely means that they aren't beings that are fit to handle the powers that the more advanced beings have (who acquire their technology through natural intelligence).

Hi hobo -----I�m going to post a disclaimer: Things on my thread can be hazardous to the beliefs which are standard issue from our learning institutions. Unfortunately we can�t have it both ways, you either believe in one or the other----its oil and water, they don�t mix well,

We are not a civilization we are individuals living in a civilization-----we are not a colony of ants or a herd, or robots, nor zombies-----we are each unique individuals with souls forged in celestial furnaces by the gods.

We enter this planet alone and we leave it alone----we don�t come and go as a society, herd or colony.

No civilization acquire anything on their own, intelligence or technology----just like we have children, and our children have children, each generation of parents takes care of their children----otherwise there would be no children.

Surely a civilization that got itself to where ever it gets is far better than one thats almost "cheating"? You could look at it like this: Why, if Bob wants to get big and strong, would he take steroids instead of doing it himself? Why doesn't he get there himself doing the more healthy alternative: lifting weights?

Individuals are free to get from point A to point B however they choose-----how they do it will determine their next test and eventually their next hunting ground in the galaxy.

What about the first civilization that ever was how did they get by? (what was first the chicken or the egg?) Is ET just going to keep leading mankind, blindfolded, for ever? Whats the point of having a civilization that has no independence? A civilization that couldn't survive on its own?(even if you say they wont ever be left on their own I think its still an important principal)

There is no beginning and there is no end----we exist in a loop, both the chicken and the egg are one.

Just don�t tell that to those fast food fried chicken places

Thanks, sleeper, great answers! Completely answered my question .

However, (i know I'm delving into the realms of philosophy here but...) theres just one thing. I just cant grasp the concept of existance almost playing over and over again in a loop. If I were to take this literally that would be saying that I have been at my computer typing this post an infinite number of times in the past and will do again an infinite number of times in the future . This brings me to the question: If the physical realm is just like a music track on a cd player playing on loop setting (same track over and over again) surely this track has an amount of time. How long is the loop? If I were some ultra superior celestial being watching over me right now how long would i have to wait until I can observe the same moment again? It's been proven that the human brain cannot comprehend the concept of infinity (i wonder if anything can) so its understandable that I would question your statement.

And finally when I read what you said about looping existence the biggest question that has ever existed popped into my head (If you can't answer this and, understanably, I doubt you can, please take it as a retorical question.): Why does everything exist? Why isn't there just nothing? Surely there must have been a start somewhere or atleast a reason for everything to exist in this exact way.

Result of ADD I think to much about things.

PS If what you say is true then I would assume that ET infuenced me to ask you these questions in order to give me the illusion that i found this out for myself. Maybe this isn't me asking the questions, Im fourteen and if my schoolwork had english this good my teachers would be doing backflips.

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Originally posted by hobo_321
Thanks, sleeper, great answers! Completely answered my question

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However, (i know I'm delving into the realms of philosophy here but...) theres just one thing. I just cant grasp the concept of existance almost playing over and over again in a loop. If I were to take this literally that would be saying that I have been at my computer typing this post an infinite number of times in the past and will do again an infinite number of times in the future

. This brings me to the question: If the physical realm is just like a music track on a cd player playing on loop setting (same track over and over again) surely this track has an amount of time. How long is the loop? If I were some ultra superior celestial being watching over me right now how long would i have to wait until I can observe the same moment again? It's been proven that the human brain cannot comprehend the concept of infinity (i wonder if anything can) so its understandable that I would question your statement.

The loop is infinite and if you live forever and you will, you will never experience the same thing twice unless you want to

And finally when I read what you said about looping existence the biggest question that has ever existed popped into my head (If you can't answer this and, understanably, I doubt you can, please take it as a retorical question

.): Why does everything exist? Why isn't there just nothing? Surely there must have been a start somewhere or atleast a reason for everything to exist in this exact way.

For there to be nothing something has to be----there in no light if there is no darkness

Result of ADD I think to much about things.

You are asking stuff that many adults don’t want to know the answers to---nor could they handle the answers----Some of this stuff can be a burden if you chose to believe it----because you still have to live in a world that is fast asleep---and being one of the few that is awake----is a challenge not suited for everyone----especially at your age.

As long as you keep this stuff in the realm of philosophy you’ll stay out of trouble

Hey
Sleeper


Is there a possibility of a infinite world where there is always a greater being?

For example: Let's say somebody owns a cat (indoor cat) in this world....the cat is almost like us and we are the ET's. The cat lives in the house and has no thoughts about the earth because it is too big to comprehend. It can look out the window and see the Earth but unless we , the aliens, can bring the cat outside it wil never find out about a greater world.

So there's the cat with us being the aliens....then there's us with the ET's being the aliens. So if this is true than the ET's must have another life form which is greater than them. And that means they live in the universe and the greater life form can take them out of the universe just like we can do with the cat. And if this is true there should be a never ending cycle.

Originally posted by Shadowshocker163
Hey
Sleeper


Is there a possibility of a infinite world where there is always a greater being?

For example: Let's say somebody owns a cat (indoor cat) in this world....the cat is almost like us and we are the ET's. The cat lives in the house and has no thoughts about the earth because it is too big to comprehend. It can look out the window and see the Earth but unless we , the aliens, can bring the cat outside it wil never find out about a greater world.

So there's the cat with us being the aliens....then there's us with the ET's being the aliens. So if this is true than the ET's must have another life form which is greater than them. And that means they live in the universe and the greater life form can take them out of the universe just like we can do with the cat. And if this is true there should be a never ending cycle.

I think you are on to something Shadowshocker

Originally posted by howmuchisthedoggy

America dropped two atom bombs on Japan----Japan is America’s closes ally----and not because they fear America

I would stake big money on fear being the major cause. Remember Kobe? If not fear, then what exactly would endear them to the US? Having too much fun in Tokyo DisneyLand?

It was fear at the beginning but once they realized that America wasn’t going to finish them off and instead helped them rebuild their economy fear turned to respect.

Japan was under the spell of the wicked witch of the East and once that spell was broken Japan became a democracy and its people set free.

There was lots of darkness before and during WW2 and ET lifted the shades a bit and let some light into the world, they will continue to lift the blinders from the human race little by little, and as the blinders go so will the shackles of institutionalize ignorance.

Profound change visits earth every few decades and fifty years from now people will look back and not believe how dumb mankind was at the turn of this century


Of course excluding all those who read this post----and agree with me

Originally posted by sleeper
It was fear at the beginning but once they realized that America wasn’t going to finish them off and instead helped them rebuild their economy fear turned to respect.

I am sorry, but that is the most off the mark remark made about Japan and America's relationship. There isn't too much "respect" floating about Japan right now for the US. They may love the culture (it is designed to be universally loved after all!!) and all that jazz, but there is still a deep distrust, resentment and fear of foreigners.

Japan was under the spell of the wicked witch of the East and once that spell was broken Japan became a democracy and its people set free.

Err.....? and traded it to be put under spell of the wicked witch of the west?

I must be reading from a much more cynical songsheet...lol

Originally posted by sleeper

There was lots of darkness before and during WW2 and ET lifted the shades a bit and let some light into the world, they will continue to lift the blinders from the human race little by little, and as the blinders go so will the shackles of institutionalize ignorance.

Profound change visits earth every few decades and fifty years from now people will look back and not believe how dumb mankind was at the turn of this century


Of course excluding all those who read this post----and agree with me

I wish it would speed up, so many of our brothers and sisters die or deprived from the basics we all should be entitled to everyday because of our selfish & ignorant ways.

But in the grand scheme of things it is irrelevant hey

I wish they could help us be more compasionate beings than being caught up with economies and self worth.

All in good time I guess.

millions will die to realize million didnt have to.

Originally posted by sleeper
You are asking stuff that many adults don’t want to know the answers to---nor could they handle the answers----Some of this stuff can be a burden if you chose to believe it----because you still have to live in a world that is fast asleep---and being one of the few that is awake----is a challenge not suited for everyone----especially at your age.

As long as you keep this stuff in the realm of philosophy you’ll stay out of trouble

Sleeper,
Why has ET chosen you to communicate with? What makes you different from the rest of us? Why are you someone that is 'awake' in a world that is asleep? They must have chosen you for a reason, maybe you must perform a task or something. It seems pretty illogical to me to pick someone at random and give them the gift of greater knowledge!

You say that my only purpose in life is to get through the illusion of problems and remain happy. This seems to me to be a pretty lame purpose in life, I always thought that we were made for a greater purpose.

BTW It's great talking to you again!

Sleeper,
You say that ET has involvement in wars. Has ET communicated to you when the next war will be? Do you know if it is iminent and whether it will be nuclear?

Sleeper, didn't you also post this thread on ufoevidence.org?

Or was it ufocasebook?


Not sure it just seems familier from along time ago...

Originally posted by Spreadthetruth
Sleeper, didn't you also post this thread on ufoevidence.org?

Or was it ufocasebook?


Not sure it just seems familier from along time ago...

I have posted on other boards similar stuff but not what’s on this tread----however, this thread had been dormant for a few months.

Originally posted by TheObserver
Sleeper,
You say that ET has involvement in wars. Has ET communicated to you when the next war will be? Do you know if it is iminent and whether it will be nuclear?

There has never been a day without wars in some corner of the world----

There are dozens of wars going on as we speak

The only wars that make headlines are the conflicts super powers get involved with----because those are the ones with the most consequences

There is no major conflict in the works outside of the war on terror

A worldwide nuclear holocaust is not going to happen

Originally posted by TheObserver


You say that my only purpose in life is to get through the illusion of problems and remain happy. This seems to me to be a pretty lame purpose in life, I always thought that we were made for a greater purpose.

BTW It's great talking to you again!

If you manage to dodge all the bad things life will throw at you and maintain a healthy and positive perspective on life-----you have achieve more than 95% of the world population----and that takes some doing

Effective people are those that don’t lose their cool in the battle of life

Most people lose their focus at the first hint of trouble and never regain it----living the rest of their lives as unproductive and cynical people-----in effect they have wasted their lives and opportunities to help themselves and others----not a good thing in the big picture