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originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: carewemust
"Hand picked"?!!!!!
Thanks for the laugh!
originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: carewemust
"Hand picked"?!!!!!
Thanks for the laugh!
originally posted by: IndieA
Reply to frogs453 and MrInquisitivr:
I've put forth my theory on the matter based on the evidence and information that I have come across and examined over last last few years. It looks like there are actually 601 pages within our election integrity threads.
Ultimately, I do not want to argue, or provide supporting evidence, too much, to a theory, that if true, would expose or hurt national security, or that could make me a target of a weaponized NS apparatus.
However, to answer some of your questions, I would suggest that if my theory is true, the level secrecy in play could be so high, that Trump could get himself in actual trouble by disclosing any information he had or has on this matter, and I would say that he most certainly wouldn't have been allowed to declassify that stuff on his own.
originally posted by: Threadbare
a reply to: carewemust
If he's as innocent as you keep claiming and he plans on using this case to expose all the bad actors, why would he want to keep delaying the trial?
originally posted by: IndieA
a reply to: MrInquisitive
You twisted my words.
I suggested that he wasn't allowed to declassify such high level intel, and otherwise disclosing those secrets could have gotten him in actual trouble.
Presidents take with them a number of documents for a number of reasons. Only Trump knows why he took what he did. You make a lot of assumptions, jump to conclusions, and ignore too many possiblities. I don't have all the answers. I have questions and a theory based on all of my research. I've already stated why I don't want to argue or present all my evidence and I'm not trying to beat a dead horse or put anything on blast that's already been made public.
I'm also not trying to poke a bear, just to poke a bear. I have seen evidence that great injustices have taken place, and I have hope that talking about them in an open forum can help lead to corrective measures.
How does declassification work?
Information is usually declassified through a process known as “automatic declassification” (which is, in practice, anything but automatic) that takes place after information has been classified for 25 years. However, information may be declassified sooner if it is marked with an earlier declassification date; if the original classification authority who classified the information, their successor or supervisor, or another designated official determines that it no longer meets the standards for classification; or if the agency head or a designated senior agency official determines that the public interest in disclosure outweighs the need for protection. The decision to declassify is made in consultation with all agencies that have an interest in the information.
Information designated as Restricted Data or Formerly Restricted Data is subject to separate rules. By statute, Restricted Data may only be declassified by authorized Department of Energy officials. Although the statute is less clear on this point, it has consistently been interpreted to give the Departments of Energy and Defense sole authority to declassify Formerly Restricted Data, an interpretation enshrined in agency regulations. Neither category is eligible for “automatic” declassification.
Does the president have the authority to declassify information? Yes and no.
There are exceptions, however. The Constitution also provides Congress with significant authority in the area of national security. In areas where the president and Congress share power, Congress may choose to legislate in ways that limit the president’s authority. For example, because Congress has specified that only the Department of Energy may declassify certain nuclear information, the president has no authority to do so.
Notably, some of the documents the FBI retrieved from Mar-a-Lago had Formerly Restricted Data classification markings on them. Formerly Restricted Data can include information about the nuclear stockpile size, current and past locations of nuclear weapons, weapons yield information (i.e., how powerful they are), and above- or below-ground test results. Under long-standing interpretations of the Atomic Energy Act, such information may be declassified only by the Departments of Energy and Defense.
[Jack] Smith said that violations of laws protecting national defense information “put our country at risk.” Smith pointed to the fact that Trump’s status as a former president shouldn’t factor into a decision to bring a charge, saying, “We have one set of laws in this country and they apply to everyone.”
The documents were produced by some of the most secretive agencies in all of government, including the CIA, the National Security Agency, the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency that analyzes images generated by the country’s most closely guarded satellite capabilities, and the Department of Energy that is responsible for safeguarding the country’s nuclear weapons stockpile.
In one of the most potentially damning sections of the indictment, prosecutors allege that Trump showed classified documents to others on two occasions, and appeared to know that what he was showing off were government secrets. An audio recording from July 2021, has Trump telling a writer and publisher meeting with him at Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, New Jersey, that he was showing them a plan of attack prepared by the Department of Defense. Trump says that plan is “secret” and “highly confidential.” During the conversation, Trump says “as president I could have declassified it” and “Now I can’t, you know, but this is still a secret.”
The indictment also describes a moment in August or September 2021 at Trump’s Bedminster club when Trump let a political supporter look at a classified military map. Trump showed a “representative of his political action committee a classified map related to a military operation and told the representative that he should not be showing it to the representative.
originally posted by: carewemust
originally posted by: Threadbare
a reply to: carewemust
If he's as innocent as you keep claiming and he plans on using this case to expose all the bad actors, why would he want to keep delaying the trial?
The overall situation is very FLUID. When Biden's cheat succeeded with putting him in the White House, the overall consensus started to shift. It now appears as if Team Trump feels he would have far more leverage to reveal "secrets" and prosecute high-level criminals simultaneously, as the U.S. President.
originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: MrInquisitive
Man, quite the bully. I guess it is hard for you to except that 2020 was a steal and make so many acceptions for your own opinions.