Boomers ruined America and why are there STILL no term limits?

originally posted by: JAGStorm
We have major age issues in our country. We are telling 14 yr old they are mature enough to work adult jobs, but not adult enough to make decisions about their body and health. You can’t have it both ways!

Yeah, the thread here about 14 year old bartenders was a doozie. Muh bootstrapz!

originally posted by: datguy

originally posted by: face23785


I'd like to see all of that as well, but I don't see how you'll do it without amending the Constitution.

The constitution is "a living document" not in so much as that we live by it but it was created to adapt and evolve and was designed to be amended, it has been amended before and will be amended again, the issue when its done by EO or back room committees. which is, by the constitution, unconstitutional. The the bill of rights are restriction placed on congress, make obvious by statements like "shall not be infringed" "congress shall make no law" "shall not be violated"
It should be a popular vote, or dealt with by the individual states.

It’s funny, people like Obama and pals complain mightily about “how negative” the constitution is.
Can’t do this, will not do that, shan’t, won’t, don’t.
They literally whined that it was negative, lmao.

No schite Sherlock. It’s only a roadmap of how to keep the federal govt as weak as possible, while doing the bare minimum that the republic, a federation of individual very unique states, and the people need.
We have 50 states that have full blown robust govts which feature every necessary function.
The fed govt should only act as a coordinator or referee for multi-state issues. Not build a giant, redundant version of every state.
But that’s how you gain complete and forever power. Usurp it.
The US constitution is the only one in world history that does this. And the career politicians are picking and poking and kicking it 24/7; it’s a hateful thing for aspiring dictators and thugs.

a reply to: Ch1nch1lla

You do realize that when you say "boomers" ruined America, about 1 percent of us wield any political or economic power? The rest of us, the vast majority of us, are paycheck to paycheck hourly workers, essentially wage slaves? I will excuse you for being too young to know this, but there IS a class system in America, and the upper or ruling class runs things. The rest of us pretty much exist to facilitate their opulence and are along for the ride like you. So when you generalize like this you need to apologize to 99 percent of that group, they have no more power or influence than you do. As far as voting is concerned, in a plutocracy such as ours you only get to vote for the handpicked bought and paid for candidates the ruling class allows to run. Actually, I am not worried, soon enough you will find out how this thing works, and 30-40 years from now, when successive generations blame YOU for their ills, you will remember us and how wrong you were. Until then, have a more open mind and test the validity of what you think you know.

originally posted by: ColeYounger
a reply to: Ch1nch1lla

Boomers didn't ruin America.
Greedy, corrupt, soulless politicians ruined America.

Quite correct. FROM BOTH sides. You have morons like MTG and Boebert AND TRUMP on the right. You have Biden, Aoc and Ohmar on the left. You have Huffpost, CNN on the left you have Fox & Newsmax on the right. They ALL profit off our division. They all profit off our division. They all profit off our division. I don’t know how many times I need to tell this but they all profit off our division. Even websites like this thrive because of our division! 75% of the latest articles draw their roots in political division on this website. It’s become big business and there’s no benefit to anyone in power stopping it.

a reply to: stevieray

Then there is the greater issue here also where the states have become more dependent on the federal government.
For example you have TX. Governor Abbott.
constantly whining about the border and how unsecure it is, but he continues to send immigrants to other states.
Does he have the right to secure his own border? I would argue that he does.

Then you have all these federal assistance programs that governors, senators and local officials literally have to fight over to get.
Fema grants, financial assistance, food, health care, its a big clusterfvk.

Long story short, you are right, they constantly have been picking and poking, slowly chipping away those obstacles, eventually the dam breaks

originally posted by: Ch1nch1lla

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: Ch1nch1lla

Boomers ruined America and why are there STILL no term limits?

If it weren't for the boomers designing and implementing the WWW. you couldn't have made this thread.

What have you done?

Wow one of the inventions and perhaps the only innovation in history that has actually made society worse and turned everyone into social media zombie narcissists. Great. What a contribution.

And yet here you are on the WWW. creating your very own whine fest. Great, What a contribution!

originally posted by: ITSALIVE

originally posted by: datguy
a reply to: ITSALIVE

to be fair, its not his fault that he was subject to the failed education policies of George Bush Jr.'s "no child left behind" act.

Remember the hanging chads!!

I would actually go so far to argue that these failed policies were the seeds of what we are seeing across the country now in newer, controversial educational laws

No child allowed to excel

To be fair, the boomers didn’t even all finish high school let alone expect to have college with debt forgiven loans. Yet somehow managed. So both had a piss poor education.

Being entitled must be great, it’s ALEAYS someone else’s fault you can’t take care of yourself. At some point, when you are in your 20s you look at yourself in the mirror and you decide who are you. Yup life is tough, but it’s your damn life and only you can be responsible for it. Would it surprise you if I said I was probably the same age as the OP?

When you both are 60, you will have done good things and will feel good about your life. The other guy, I just don’t know.
My father got to 8th grade, my mother 10th. They were both damn smart people. My dad thought he hit the lottery when he got out on his own, and realized he could have money simply for working his ass off. My mother could have done anything, but was deaf at 15 and never properly diagnosed until about 20.
They taught me that you go to school through grade 16, and you get a golden ticket. Not exactly rocket science. Take every good deal, and always finish it, never quit anything. Things will just work out for you if you do these things instead of acting like “the world owes you a living”. My mom’s favorite admonition lol.

originally posted by: datguy
a reply to: stevieray

Then there is the greater issue here also where the states have become more dependent on the federal government.
For example you have TX. Governor Abbott.
constantly whining about the border and how unsecure it is, but he continues to send immigrants to other states.
Does he have the right to secure his own border? I would argue that he does.

Then you have all these federal assistance programs that governors, senators and local officials literally have to fight over to get.
Fema grants, financial assistance, food, health care, its a big clusterfvk.

Long story short, you are right, they constantly have been picking and poking, slowly chipping away those obstacles, eventually the dam breaks

Yes, of course there are state level chumps who are looking for payoffs for helping the feds grow their power grab, and hoping to graduate to their little club. Two sides of the same coin.
Not sure I agree about Abbott. He’s doing right by his state to share the load with the states who avoid their share, but shower themselves with praise for being “sanctuaries”, while never even doing so. Never a better zinger for a bunch of pansy bull# artists. They’re crying about 100’s of illegals, after laughing about the border states being overrun with millions. This kind of dipsh1t deserves every possible kick in the ass.

a reply to: network dude

Fair point. But would add that imo the old and corrupt are too deeply embedded. A good guy or gal working their way to any place they could effect real change, would just be deleted or the like...

a reply to: Ch1nch1lla

Pretty sure a bunch of 20 somethings voted for Biden.

a reply to: Ch1nch1lla

USA will become the nation of rainbows.

Then yellowstone will be activated.

Pompeii 2.0.

originally posted by: putnam6
also, eliminate 2 party system

The 'two-party system' only exists because you say it does.

I've actually gotten in arguments with people who don't realize that there were 6 People on the ballot for President this last election.

It's almost delusional for People to ignore or pretend those other 4 parties don't exist.

It's far easier to blame the older generation than to own up to your current gens BS. If you want change, run for office yourself.

Sure it is. The older generation had no input in preparing the new generation.... it was all the television and iPhone what dun it.

a reply to: VrilSeeker

a reply to: Ch1nch1lla

John Dingell from my home state Michigan

I agree with Term Limits. Do you recall Trump trashing Dingell when he passed? Why?

a reply to: CryHavoc

Its not a matter whether they exist or not

Which state was this in, as each state is different and will/do have different candidates available

The "two-party system" is a real thing and is exactly that. It is pervasive throughout our political structure and ballots/voting is only a part of it. It is a system of laws and regulations that, for decades, have made it nearly impossible for "third party candidates". Funny that the term "third party" indicates any party or independent candidate outside of the DEM or GOP, funny that this term even exists. I didn't make it up.

I think ignoring the two-party system over some anecdotal evidence is the real delusion, in fact it is insane, by definition

Face it, the "system" is rigged and its not about which of the two parties it is rigged for, they are simply two sides of the same coin, they are the PR department for our corporatocracy deep state and they need to go

i also want to point out to everyone the microcosm of political division in this thread.

The focus is on insults and spreading more division based on anecdotal opinions and political ideologies while the greater issue is largely ignored

why don't we have term limits?

originally posted by: datguy
i also want to point out to everyone the microcosm of political division in this thread.

The focus is on insults and spreading more division based on anecdotal opinions and political ideologies while the greater issue is largely ignored

why don't we have term limits?

Not because of anything you said lol.
It’s because the fox is guarding the henhouse.
Though the talk of state’s rights did make me think that individual states should write their own laws enforcing term limits on whomever represents the state in any way, in DC. I’m sure it would immediately be sued by the feds. It would be funny if it was upheld, and politicians had to move to a new state every few years to stay in DC for decades. Clowns like Biden would end up living in 25-30 states to get their fix.

originally posted by: VrilSeeker
It's far easier to blame the older generation than to own up to your current gens BS. If you want change, run for office yourself. y

ATS has entered a phase of "whataboutism" deflection and lies. Any lie will do as long as it protects the members confirmation bias. their political, ideology and keeps them from looking at anything other than their chosen dogma.

not directed at you virilSeeker.....

Deny ignorance, and when called on your BS, take responsibility and don't immediately reach for the "whatabout" deflection; When you do, your credibility is automatically flushed down the toilet where it belongs.

a reply to: stevieray

I admit my role as part of said problem, its easy to get distracted in all the noise.

You bring up a great solution, one that has been adopted by many states since the 90's, and has been challenged and brought to the SCOTUS several times

In U.S. Term Limits, Inc. v. Thornton (514 U.S. 779
(1995)), the Supreme Court determined that its decision in
Powell established two principles: first, that the framers
intended the qualifications for Congress provided for in the
Constitution to be “exclusive,” and second, that the first
principle is buttressed by the proposition that, in U.S.
representative democracy, “the people should choose whom
they please to govern them.” Building on those principles,
the Court in Thornton invalidated an Arkansas
constitutional provision that, among other things,
established congressional term limits. Specifically, the state
constitutional provision prohibited the name of a person
from appearing on the ballot for election to the U.S. House
of Representatives if the person had been elected to three or
more terms or for election to the U.S. Senate if the person
had been elected to two or more terms.

CRS: Term limits for members of congress

there are also constitutional amendments currently in the house and senate, introduced by Ted Cruz

These measures include H.J.Res. 3;
H.J.Res. 5; H.J.Res. 11; H.J.Res. 20; H.J.Res. 32; S.J.Res.
1; and S.J.Res. 2.

and , as you pointed out (fox is guarding the henhouse) all sit in judiciary committee, probably to die.