Hollywood, FL Shooting

originally posted by: DBCowboy

Where does it say handheld weapons in the Bill of Rights?

The term to bear typically means what one person can carry and use. Arms is a general statement but also is focused on the individual use for infantry. We need to remember that back then they didn't call cannons or artillery "arms" though they used those terms and so-referred to arms as an infantry type of weapon. Typically they would say firearms, but our forefathers wanted it more generic to just say arms.

originally posted by: AntiTrump

#2 Any board certified psychologist ( testing )
#3 You would have to submit a stable diagnosis to the Federal government.

What does that mean? This goes down the path of the thought police. An easy thing to suggest, but impossible to implement. If you have zero mental illness history, how does a psychologist diagnose you? What level of depression is too much? What if 99% of all psychologists are 2A haters...lol What does "shall not infringe mean?

I support the 2A , but anything semi-auto over 10rds should have to carry a federal stamp like a silencer , sbr or full auto .
Bear Arms : MB240 is an armament

Then you do not support 2A Once again "shall not be infringed on" Much of this goes down the path, oh that gun looks more dangerous.

Javelin Missile is an armament
Vulcan Mini Gun is an armament etc .
So you think any American should have the right to own artillery , MG42s , Apache Attack copters , Tanks etc , because our military has them ?

Can a man bear a Vulcan minigun?

BTW the most dangerous weapon is the cheap pistol with like 95%+ of deaths from that, so what are you trying to fix here? In CA they outlawed mags over 10 and so everyone just bought a .44/.45...lol easy fix...

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: DBCowboy

Where does it say handheld weapons in the Bill of Rights?

The term to bear typically means what one person can carry and use. Arms is a general statement but also is focused on the individual use for infantry. We need to remember that back then they didn't call cannons or artillery "arms" though they used those terms and so-referred to arms as an infantry type of weapon. Typically they would say firearms, but our forefathers wanted it more generic to just say arms.

Agreed, the poster was just being pedantic.

originally posted by: AntiTrump

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: AntiTrump

If a person has to pay for their right, wouldn't that be like a poll tax?

You have to pay for federal stamps on silencers , SBRs & selectable fire sears . You pay a fee for background checks on guns in most states.
I fail to see your point ?

Oh, so we can charge people to vote! Glad we cleared that up.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: AntiTrump

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: AntiTrump

If a person has to pay for their right, wouldn't that be like a poll tax?

You have to pay for federal stamps on silencers , SBRs & selectable fire sears . You pay a fee for background checks on guns in most states.
I fail to see your point ?

Oh, so we can charge people to vote! Glad we cleared that up.

Why stop there?

Psych eval before you post.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

Psych eval

No one would abuse such a tool now, would they....

originally posted by: AntiTrump

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: AntiTrump

The AR15 needs to go

I'll let you offer a good reason for why.

And since you are all for restrictions on the 2nd, you would also be good with restrictions on voting? I'd like to see a voter have to prove his/her identity to vote. I have to fill out paperwork to buy a gun and show ID. So it's only fair.

But back to why the semi auto AR-15 needs to go, what other weapons should be banned and why? Mini 14? Ruger 10/22? Glock pistol? Sig 9mm? What about a magazine fed 12 gauge? Please explain what about that particular weapon makes it need to go.

I agree that voters should be required to present valid ID to vote .
The AR15 is fine as a bolt action.
No one should be able to walk into a gun shop , buy a semiautomatic high power rifle , high capacity magazines & 1000s of rds within a 2hr period.
Until mental illness is fixed in America , any semi automatic over 10rds should require a federal stamp.

The most disturbed generation ever ( Gen Z ) will embrace the AR15 as their preferred gun of mass destruction.
Just wait until Gen Zers have no jobs or futures & a gun store down the road.
99% of people even bent on gun crimes would never be able to navigate the illegal gun world as their buying options.
Just go to any inner city & start asking about buying illegal guns , you aren’t going to make it .

why just the AR15? is it the round size? the magazine capacity? the color of the weapon? I need to understand why that one gun is so bad and others aren't. Do you think if a weapon has 10 rounds or less, it's less deadly?

And as I asked, what about a Glock, or say a PSA Dagger?

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: AntiTrump

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: AntiTrump

If a person has to pay for their right, wouldn't that be like a poll tax?

You have to pay for federal stamps on silencers , SBRs & selectable fire sears . You pay a fee for background checks on guns in most states.
I fail to see your point ?

Oh, so we can charge people to vote! Glad we cleared that up.

Why stop there?

Psych eval before you post.

Psych eval before you vote?

And Red Flag laws. If your relatives think your vote might be detrimental, a danger, to society, then you don't get to exercise that right for the good of all the rest of us.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Mental health screening...?

Just who is going to do this screening? Some political appointee with an axe to grind, or political bones to make, or favors to pay off...??

Judge by actions, not mights.

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: DBCowboy

Mental health screening...?

Just who is going to do this screening? Some political appointee with an axe to grind, or political bones to make, or favors to pay off...??

Judge by actions, not mights.

*Sitting with a clipboard with Seagull's name on top*

"Oooooh, THAT'S a red check mark, Kevin can you see how this person voted and how much ammo they've bought? Thanks.
Oh, and bring me a latte'.".

a reply to: Xtrozero

Oh, gosh no...

That'll never happen...evah. Because we all know how scrupulously fair the medical profession is about such things.

[/sarc]*


*in case it wasn't obvious. 😏

a reply to: DBCowboy

In too many cases, and one would be too many, that's exactly what will be happening. Not might happen, will happen.

Human nature, and the corruption inherent in human nature, will see to that.

a reply to: ketsuko

We have the Soviet example of the Gulag for that to show the way, too...

Easy, peasy.

a reply to: DBCowboy

And of course, the big questions:

1. What is a woman?

2. Do you deny climate change?

3. What happened on Jan. 6th?

4. Which group poses the biggest danger to the US?

Answer any of those wrong and you are clearly delusional and should not vote.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: DBCowboy

And of course, the big questions:

1. What is a woman?

Female of the human species denoted by XX chromosomes

2. Do you deny climate change?

The climate is constantly changing

3. What happened on Jan. 6th?

The Fifth Monarchists unsuccessfully attempt to seize control of London

4. Which group poses the biggest danger to the US?

American Citizens

Did I get them right? did I? did i?

originally posted by: datguy
a reply to: Irishhaf

i just noticed the map i linked, it states...

A mass shooting is defined by the Gun Violence Archive as four or more people injured or killed, not including the perpetrator. Last Updated May 15, 2023.

Are these acceptable terms?

Not really, at a party in the back forty some dumb snip has a negligent discharge and can injure 4 people, thats a far cry from a mass shooting in the vein of columbine and Virginia tech.

Add in that the links maps dont even seem to include chicago and I call bs at least in this argument.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: AntiTrump

#2 Any board certified psychologist ( testing )
#3 You would have to submit a stable diagnosis to the Federal government.

What does that mean? This goes down the path of the thought police. An easy thing to suggest, but impossible to implement. If you have zero mental illness history, how does a psychologist diagnose you? What level of depression is too much? What if 99% of all psychologists are 2A haters...lol What does "shall not infringe mean?

I support the 2A , but anything semi-auto over 10rds should have to carry a federal stamp like a silencer , sbr or full auto .
Bear Arms : MB240 is an armament

Then you do not support 2A Once again "shall not be infringed on" Much of this goes down the path, oh that gun looks more dangerous.

Javelin Missile is an armament
Vulcan Mini Gun is an armament etc .
So you think any American should have the right to own artillery , MG42s , Apache Attack copters , Tanks etc , because our military has them ?

Can a man bear a Vulcan minigun?

BTW the most dangerous weapon is the cheap pistol with like 95%+ of deaths from that, so what are you trying to fix here? In CA they outlawed mags over 10 and so everyone just bought a .44/.45...lol easy fix...

My point is this
It should be harder for a ssri riddled drug abusing Gen Z kid lost in a sectarian social media world to obtain a gun capable of dusting off mass numbers of bullets in a very fast way.

The AR15 is fun to shoot , but it serves predominantly as a macho identity device.
The bolt action rifle , shotgun & 1911 are still the most effective & reliable forms of lethal self defence.
What is so horrible about high capacity semiautomatic rifles requiring a federal stamp like advanced items ?
The high capacity semiautomatic rifles will be banned by the newest & largest voting group in America ,
Millennials & Gen Z .
The tactical rifle owners may want to pick their hill to die on , rather than the very progressive voting block that is the Millennials/Gen Z .

If the tactical gun owners want to keep their high capacity semiautomatic rifles , they should accept registration of those types of weapons. That would go a long way in cooling down the gun grabbing nuts.

One way or another the AR15 is in it’s last days in America. Be proactive or be dictated to by very progressive & at times unstable generations like Millennials & Gen Zers .
Just my opinion

a reply to: AntiTrump

What is so horrible about high capacity semiautomatic rifles requiring a federal stamp like advanced items ?

Simply because its unconstitutional.

Just like the NFA
Just like the GCA.
Just like red flag laws.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: AntiTrump

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: AntiTrump

If a person has to pay for their right, wouldn't that be like a poll tax?

You have to pay for federal stamps on silencers , SBRs & selectable fire sears . You pay a fee for background checks on guns in most states.
I fail to see your point ?

Oh, so we can charge people to vote! Glad we cleared that up.

What are you talking about ?

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: AntiTrump

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: AntiTrump

The AR15 needs to go

I'll let you offer a good reason for why.

And since you are all for restrictions on the 2nd, you would also be good with restrictions on voting? I'd like to see a voter have to prove his/her identity to vote. I have to fill out paperwork to buy a gun and show ID. So it's only fair.

But back to why the semi auto AR-15 needs to go, what other weapons should be banned and why? Mini 14? Ruger 10/22? Glock pistol? Sig 9mm? What about a magazine fed 12 gauge? Please explain what about that particular weapon makes it need to go.

I agree that voters should be required to present valid ID to vote .
The AR15 is fine as a bolt action.
No one should be able to walk into a gun shop , buy a semiautomatic high power rifle , high capacity magazines & 1000s of rds within a 2hr period.
Until mental illness is fixed in America , any semi automatic over 10rds should require a federal stamp.

The most disturbed generation ever ( Gen Z ) will embrace the AR15 as their preferred gun of mass destruction.
Just wait until Gen Zers have no jobs or futures & a gun store down the road.
99% of people even bent on gun crimes would never be able to navigate the illegal gun world as their buying options.
Just go to any inner city & start asking about buying illegal guns , you aren’t going to make it .

why just the AR15? is it the round size? the magazine capacity? the color of the weapon? I need to understand why that one gun is so bad and others aren't. Do you think if a weapon has 10 rounds or less, it's less deadly?

And as I asked, what about a Glock, or say a PSA Dagger?

The AR15 , AK ( all variants) M1A1 , Mini 14 , FALs , HK 91/93 etc are all designed to accommodate 20-250 rd magazines/drums & that is the issue.
Who cares about semi automatic hand gun ammunition capacity as it is severely less deadly in mass shootings vs high power rifle rounds being sprayed around in a semiautomatic fashion.
Hand guns kill more people , because criminals prefer concealable weapons.
Crazy people prefer the high capacity semiautomatic rifles , because you can kill lots of people very fast .