Hollywood, FL Shooting

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: AntiTrump

What is so horrible about high capacity semiautomatic rifles requiring a federal stamp like advanced items ?

Simply because its unconstitutional.

Just like the NFA
Just like the GCA.
Just like red flag laws.

Would you support your neighbor who owns a full auto SAW .308 & his use of it in his back yard ?

a reply to: AntiTrump

Yep.

Why dont you?

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: AntiTrump

Yep.

Why dont you?

MI says it all in your username.

originally posted by: AntiTrump

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: AntiTrump

Yep.

Why dont you?

MI says it all in your username.

You dont support your neighbors having SAWs because of my username?

Thats weird.

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: AntiTrump

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: AntiTrump

Yep.

Why dont you?

MI says it all in your username.

You dont support your neighbors having SAWs because of my username?

Thats weird.

Im assuming MI is Michigan ?
If correct , is not Michigan Militia central for the United States ?

originally posted by: AntiTrump

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: AntiTrump

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: AntiTrump

Yep.

Why dont you?

MI says it all in your username.

You dont support your neighbors having SAWs because of my username?

Thats weird.

Im assuming MI is Michigan ?
If correct , is not Michigan Militia central for the United States ?

Theres militias all over the country.

What does that have to do with SAWs and gun control?

ETA: what happened to your previous account?

originally posted by: AntiTrump
It should be harder for a ssri riddled drug abusing Gen Z kid lost in a sectarian social media world to obtain a gun capable of dusting off mass numbers of bullets in a very fast way.

How many people can a truck kill during lunch hour in a major city? If someone wants to kill they will do it no matter what. I just feel people want to focus on the wrong stuff. You limit guns and only people who actually follow laws will be affected, so maybe look at the underlining reasons why. Like maybe mental health, or most likely too much mental health care. How many kids are on anti-depressants...lol geez

The AR15 is fun to shoot , but it serves predominantly as a macho identity device.
The bolt action rifle , shotgun & 1911 are still the most effective & reliable forms of lethal self defence.

I can tell you are an expert on it all...lol Would you rather be shot by a .45 a few times, or 00 buck in the face and chest, or a .556?

Gun deaths are like 49,000 per year, most by suicide. typically 10 to 12k is murder, today we are pushing close to 20k murders, why? That is higher than the peak in 1990s. Are guns more dangerous today than 50 years ago? In 2021 11,000 murders were a pistol, 1000 knives, 461 hands, and 447 rifles of all kinds....

Once again what are you trying to solve here? The vast majority of mass murders of 4 or more are still once again the pistol.

a reply to: Xtrozero

How many defensive uses with firearms happen per year again?

originally posted by: JinMI

How many defensive uses with firearms happen per year again?

2 million plus... But it is a lot like a fire extinguisher that you might never need in your life, but when you do it can be life-saving.

Why do people push so much on rifles when less than 500 people die to them out of like 50,000? BTW being in the military for 28 years I have no issues using my M4 over a 9m handgun. If I ever get a home break-in with a group of men I want the M4, or if # goes south I'll stick with my .556 and 300 Bk as my main weapons. Let the electrical grid go down for 60 days and see what happens. My neighbors are British and one night we debated guns, and they said we do not need etc. All I said was if SHTF where are you going, and they said my house. I also said, if I see people breaking into your house would you like me to come with guns, and they said yep... end of the debate.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Every month or so some new account shows up with the same argument thats been beaten repeatedly.

The two things they cant get around.

1. Constitutionality.
2. Statistics.

originally posted by: AntiTrump

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: AntiTrump

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: AntiTrump

The AR15 needs to go

I'll let you offer a good reason for why.

And since you are all for restrictions on the 2nd, you would also be good with restrictions on voting? I'd like to see a voter have to prove his/her identity to vote. I have to fill out paperwork to buy a gun and show ID. So it's only fair.

But back to why the semi auto AR-15 needs to go, what other weapons should be banned and why? Mini 14? Ruger 10/22? Glock pistol? Sig 9mm? What about a magazine fed 12 gauge? Please explain what about that particular weapon makes it need to go.

I agree that voters should be required to present valid ID to vote .
The AR15 is fine as a bolt action.
No one should be able to walk into a gun shop , buy a semiautomatic high power rifle , high capacity magazines & 1000s of rds within a 2hr period.
Until mental illness is fixed in America , any semi automatic over 10rds should require a federal stamp.

The most disturbed generation ever ( Gen Z ) will embrace the AR15 as their preferred gun of mass destruction.
Just wait until Gen Zers have no jobs or futures & a gun store down the road.
99% of people even bent on gun crimes would never be able to navigate the illegal gun world as their buying options.
Just go to any inner city & start asking about buying illegal guns , you aren’t going to make it .

why just the AR15? is it the round size? the magazine capacity? the color of the weapon? I need to understand why that one gun is so bad and others aren't. Do you think if a weapon has 10 rounds or less, it's less deadly?

And as I asked, what about a Glock, or say a PSA Dagger?

The AR15 , AK ( all variants) M1A1 , Mini 14 , FALs , HK 91/93 etc are all designed to accommodate 20-250 rd magazines/drums & that is the issue.
Who cares about semi automatic hand gun ammunition capacity as it is severely less deadly in mass shootings vs high power rifle rounds being sprayed around in a semiautomatic fashion.
Hand guns kill more people , because criminals prefer concealable weapons.
Crazy people prefer the high capacity semiautomatic rifles , because you can kill lots of people very fast .

you must not suck Biden's toes as much as it seems. A Glock 9mm (that can suck your lung out of your body) can have a 33 round magazine. It looks idiotic, but could do much more damage than an AR. The Ruger 10/22 can have a detachable magazine with 25 rounds. Kel tec has a .22lr with 33 rounds in a pistol.

Point is, magazine capacity is only limited by imagination. And if you think that by limiting capacity, you will save lives, it doesn't work that way. With practice, you can change magazines almost instantly. Guns aren't going anywhere. Even if you outlaw them.

Rather than concern yourself so much with the tool, why not concentrate on fixing the holder of the tool. You have guns, I have guns, and we don't kill people. Why is that?

originally posted by: AntiTrump

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: AntiTrump

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: AntiTrump

If a person has to pay for their right, wouldn't that be like a poll tax?

You have to pay for federal stamps on silencers , SBRs & selectable fire sears . You pay a fee for background checks on guns in most states.
I fail to see your point ?

Oh, so we can charge people to vote! Glad we cleared that up.

What are you talking about ?

Both the right to vote and to keep and bear arms are constitutionally recognized and guaranteed.

The measures you propose sound like ways to make ownership of firearms illegal without actually doing it by making it prohibitively expensive and legally tedious.

Certain people tried to do this with voting in some places to keep certain people from voting. Sure, they could vote ... *if* they could pay the poll tax and pass the tests. Did you really not get taught your history?

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: AntiTrump

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: AntiTrump

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: AntiTrump

Yep.

Why dont you?

MI says it all in your username.

You dont support your neighbors having SAWs because of my username?

Thats weird.

Im assuming MI is Michigan ?
If correct , is not Michigan Militia central for the United States ?

Theres militias all over the country.

What does that have to do with SAWs and gun control?

ETA: what happened to your previous account?

My previous account was bought by someone.

a reply to: Irishhaf

well, its a better base line than has been offered yet and,
if you utilize the functions on the page, you can clearly see there are incidents reported from Chicago. case I.D.'s links to source information, casualties and injuries, location, subjects arrested injured or killed....
this one
this one
this one.....seriously...and that's just the first 2 pages

If you only want to argue semantics over statistics then just say so, but to dismiss 263 shooting incidents in 151 days because it they weren't all columbines is pedantic immaturity

From the same source

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: AntiTrump

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: AntiTrump

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: AntiTrump

The AR15 needs to go

I'll let you offer a good reason for why.

And since you are all for restrictions on the 2nd, you would also be good with restrictions on voting? I'd like to see a voter have to prove his/her identity to vote. I have to fill out paperwork to buy a gun and show ID. So it's only fair.

But back to why the semi auto AR-15 needs to go, what other weapons should be banned and why? Mini 14? Ruger 10/22? Glock pistol? Sig 9mm? What about a magazine fed 12 gauge? Please explain what about that particular weapon makes it need to go.

I agree that voters should be required to present valid ID to vote .
The AR15 is fine as a bolt action.
No one should be able to walk into a gun shop , buy a semiautomatic high power rifle , high capacity magazines & 1000s of rds within a 2hr period.
Until mental illness is fixed in America , any semi automatic over 10rds should require a federal stamp.

The most disturbed generation ever ( Gen Z ) will embrace the AR15 as their preferred gun of mass destruction.
Just wait until Gen Zers have no jobs or futures & a gun store down the road.
99% of people even bent on gun crimes would never be able to navigate the illegal gun world as their buying options.
Just go to any inner city & start asking about buying illegal guns , you aren’t going to make it .

why just the AR15? is it the round size? the magazine capacity? the color of the weapon? I need to understand why that one gun is so bad and others aren't. Do you think if a weapon has 10 rounds or less, it's less deadly?

And as I asked, what about a Glock, or say a PSA Dagger?

The AR15 , AK ( all variants) M1A1 , Mini 14 , FALs , HK 91/93 etc are all designed to accommodate 20-250 rd magazines/drums & that is the issue.
Who cares about semi automatic hand gun ammunition capacity as it is severely less deadly in mass shootings vs high power rifle rounds being sprayed around in a semiautomatic fashion.
Hand guns kill more people , because criminals prefer concealable weapons.
Crazy people prefer the high capacity semiautomatic rifles , because you can kill lots of people very fast .

you must not suck Biden's toes as much as it seems. A Glock 9mm (that can suck your lung out of your body) can have a 33 round magazine. It looks idiotic, but could do much more damage than an AR. The Ruger 10/22 can have a detachable magazine with 25 rounds. Kel tec has a .22lr with 33 rounds in a pistol.

Point is, magazine capacity is only limited by imagination. And if you think that by limiting capacity, you will save lives, it doesn't work that way. With practice, you can change magazines almost instantly. Guns aren't going anywhere. Even if you outlaw them.

Rather than concern yourself so much with the tool, why not concentrate on fixing the holder of the tool. You have guns, I have guns, and we don't kill people. Why is that?

Mental health is a big issue in America agreed & a sick society needs strict boundaries on their access to tools that cause mass destruction.
A 9mm has a lethal range maximum of 50yrds and is incredibly inaccurate outside of 25 feet in the hands of 99% of the public.
The amount of crazy people that train in mag dump & reload speeds is next to zero .
The true scenario of mass shooters is the fact that they are mentally disturbed , they have a bad day , week or month them decide to commit horrific acts via guns that can shoot the most amount of bullets without reloading.
No mass shooter shows up with a S&W .357 revolver for reasons.
Your idea of correcting mental issues in society is spot on & I agree , but before or ever this Country takes mental health issues seriously , We need to control the nuts prior to gun purchases. How that is done becomes tricky .
Everyone goes through a very through process to obtain a State issued driver license, because driving a 4000 lb car at 75 mph is dangerous if not done correctly.
Why shouldn’t people need to go through extensive training & vetting before being able to buy a gun ?
There are millions of people who are unfit to drive as well own a gun , but they are all out in public daily.

If it’s harder for loons to get ahold of guns , they will resort to suicide or less lethal attacks upon society & though sad is far better for society.
The 12 gauge shotgun is & will remain the greatest defensive gun in a home .
The .357 revolver like a 686 plus will remain the most reliable, fool proof & lethal handgun for home defence.
A guard dog is the worlds greatest deterrent to criminals in regards to your property/home.
AR15s tickle the Rambo itch in men & that is their charm to disenfranchise men who are insecure imo.
Model 70 in .308 , 5 inch 1911 & a pump shotgun are more than adequate for fun , protection & hunting.

Further more , if you ever found yourself in a highly unlucky dystopian wasteland , all those complicated high capacity semi auto rifles & pistols will fail you sooner rather than later .
SHTF scenarios are just fantasy that serves to give tacticool men a sense of control in a world they can’t comprehend.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: AntiTrump

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: AntiTrump

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: AntiTrump

If a person has to pay for their right, wouldn't that be like a poll tax?

You have to pay for federal stamps on silencers , SBRs & selectable fire sears . You pay a fee for background checks on guns in most states.
I fail to see your point ?

Oh, so we can charge people to vote! Glad we cleared that up.

What are you talking about ?

Both the right to vote and to keep and bear arms are constitutionally recognized and guaranteed.

The measures you propose sound like ways to make ownership of firearms illegal without actually doing it by making it prohibitively expensive and legally tedious.

Certain people tried to do this with voting in some places to keep certain people from voting. Sure, they could vote ... *if* they could pay the poll tax and pass the tests. Did you really not get taught your history?

White Men who were land owners were the only people who could vote in America for a very long time . Do you suggest we go back to those great days again ?

a reply to: AntiTrump

fix the nutters and the gun issue solves itself. Rational folk aren't killing kids in schools, nutters are.
To use your example, cars can kill, should we take them away until people stop killing with them? or give everyone a Yugo?
the reason we are here is we ignored the mental health issue for far too long. Once we fix the killers, we can focus on your obsession with scary black rifles.

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: AntiTrump

fix the nutters and the gun issue solves itself. Rational folk aren't killing kids in schools, nutters are.
To use your example, cars can kill, should we take them away until people stop killing with them? or give everyone a Yugo?
the reason we are here is we ignored the mental health issue for far too long. Once we fix the killers, we can focus on your obsession with scary black rifles.

People who drive legally are required to go through intensive training, but any 18 yr old can buy a AR15 , 120 rd drum magazine , 5000 rds & all within hours of a background check ?
You don’t see a flaw in this ?

a reply to: AntiTrump

The government is the only entity who can be trusted to have firearms.

That is where you want to take us.

Parallel arguments. I see you cannot accept legal infringement on one right - voting. And yet, you want to legally infringe on another right - self-defense.

Please be intellectually consistent. A right is a right. You do not get to pick and choose which ones are able to be legally violated. The *right* to vote; the *right* to keep and bear arms. You should note that the latter secures the former as well.

originally posted by: jwal5150
Didn't John Titor say something about these types of events would accelerate just prior to a US civil war and a nuke attack?
a reply to: nugget1

LOL Why yes, a 'time traveler' did plagiarize what many 'seers', 'prophets' and 'psychics' claimed would happen centuries before Titor began his sight-seeing tour.