Professor of Psychiatry: Transgender is a mental disorder that merits treatment

originally posted by: yuppa
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Not always worth it.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Annee

4. I can't be manipulated.

I do enjoy the post history tab, so very much.

You mean -- to reflect on those times -- I say what needs to be said?

It's like a game -- ya know.

a reply to: Annee

Sure...a game.


In this case, Fact or fiction.


Ill take fiction for $1000 Annee

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Annee

4. I can't be manipulated.

I do enjoy the post history tab, so very much.

It would actually be funny if it wasn't so depressingly sad, knowing there are people who think that way.
SMDH.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Annee

4. I can't be manipulated.

I do enjoy the post history tab, so very much.

You mean -- to reflect on those times -- I say what needs to be said?

It's like a game -- ya know.

You are your worst enemy.
You project all of your shortcomings onto others.
You say everyone else needs "to be right" but you prove, with almost every post, that it is your deepest desire.
It drives you to keep posting, even to the point of your post being nonsensical.
You think it's a game.
That's what I mean when I say "the trans activst doesn't care about trans people".
It's gotta be about you, your life and your feelz, first and foremost.
Grow up Anne, you're not "helping" anyone with your childishness.
Other people have lives and feelings, it's not only about you.
You're too old to act this way.
Peace.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: yuppa
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Not always worth it.

Because you may not understand why it was removed.
Again, it's not always about you.

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: Annee

McHugh Exposed: HRC Launches Website Debunking the Junk Science of Paul McHugh

Is there a scientific breakdown of McHugh's claims? I'd be interested in reading it. Please, no videos.

Sex is binary (not a claim but a fact)
There are no 72 genders ( fact )
Sex change is impossible ( fact )

Hardly any claims.

1. Sex is Male or female genitals. Some chromosomes are not always MALE or FEMALE correct. men with 3 x chromosomes for one exmple.
2.DUH its a freaking JOKE about 72 genders. Im gender dysphoric and even I say that. Stop taking the minority voice as all our voices.
3. Legaly government recognizes people after sex surgery as that sex. Science relies on chromosomes not outward appereance. So you are HALF right.

4.SEX INFLUENCES your MENTAL gender,BUT it is not registering the same way as a normal person such as yourself registeres it. Ive been tested and i have more traits a female has brain wise. In short people liek me register our gender differently than a non gender dysphoric person does REGARDLESS of whats between your legs or chromosomes.
And Since I can reason and think rationally things a normal person does it also means I am not mentally sick.

Since you are unable or unwilling to answer let's see the points made one by one.

You said:

Sex is Male or female genitals. Some chromosomes are not always MALE or FEMALE correct. men with 3 x chromosomes for one exmple.

External genitalia doesn't determine biological sex as surgery can be performed that removes external genitalia. Removing your genitals doesn't change your biological sex.

Sex depends entirely on the Y chromosome.
If you have one then you are a male regardless of the total amount of sex chromosomes (usually 2).

You said that some chromosomes are not always male or female. This is an argument that doesn't make any sense!!

You have also given an example of one having 3 Chromosomes. Let's say this is the following combination: XXY which is commonly known as Klinefelter Syndrome. This is a genetic disorder and not another gender or another sex as you claimed above, which affects males only. You see the presence of the Y chromosome in the in the XXY? This is what determines sex. This person is a man/boy depending on age.

Given the obvious confusion over these matters and the very dangerous misinformation around that is propagated by activists online and given that you said you are gender dysphoric I hope you get good advise and counselling and not decide to go through any dangerous procedures.

I will argue that you listen well to Dr McHugh who is a very serious psychiatrist and strongly recommends counselling and never recommends hormones, drugs, or dangerous surgeries.

a reply to: AdifferentOpinion
That's a lot of reading in one day for a brand new member. Strange to get all bothered over one particular member so quick.

What you seem to be missing is that the op isn't bashing trans people but pointing out the problematic trans agenda. Just as one other member posted above, there are trans people and trans activists. Big difference and it's the trans activists that are pushing their agenda in dangerous directions, directions that see underage kids get irreversible surgeries/hormones, biological women put at risk, legally allows any man willing to wear a dress access to women's change rooms and trans people themselves sold on surgeries without full informed consent. All in all, it's the agenda being pushed that's the problem. It's the cancelling of the voices of common sense/restraint.

What you see as bullying is the op trying to discuss those whom the agenda hurts.

Actual trans people never were the problem. Some may choose treatment as adults but at the end of the day, every single human needs to come to terms with their own psychology, with the hand they got dealt, in order to be mentally healthy.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

I removed it because of reasons I cannot discuss here. DO not assume i was doing it for your benefit.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: yuppa
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Not always worth it.

Well I cant go into detail.But not worth it as well since no one is willing to listen anyway.

You certainly do not not need to be a doctor to tell sane people what is obvious.

Plus, you can save a lot of good paper.

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: Asmodeus3

I removed it because of reasons I cannot discuss here. DO not assume i was doing it for your benefit.

First of all, I never asked you why you removed your posts. You need to be able to read what others say and not answer randomly. Someone else asked you, it wasn't me.

Even if you had decided not to remove them that wouldn't make any difference in terms of the conversation.

originally posted by: igloo
a reply to: AdifferentOpinion
That's a lot of reading in one day for a brand new member. Strange to get all bothered over one particular member so quick.

I have been reading this site daily since 2006 and the OP’s posts since he/she/they/it joined a bit over seven months ago. It was only their unwillingness to consider points of view beyond their narrow and quite frankly, stubbornly obstinate point of view not to mention their inflexible agenda driven rhetoric that does nothing but rally ill will against a group of people and foster partisanship and division that finally drove me to respond.

What you seem to be missing is that the op isn't bashing trans people but pointing out the problematic trans agenda. Just as one other member posted above, there are trans people and trans activists. Big difference and it's the trans activists that are pushing their agenda in dangerous directions,

I will partially agree with some of this to a certain extent but not with what follows and do you really expect trans people not to not want to advocate for themselves even a little bit on some issues? Does having an opinion or speaking out individually about their own situation make them an activist/idealogue? Is there a line that can be drawn between the good and the bad?

directions that see underage kids get irreversible surgeries/hormones

In all but exceptional cases, surgery is never performed in anyone under 14 and then it is “top surgery” or male chest construction for natal females a practice which I think really needs to be stopped and a hard reevaluation done and only in cases where breast binding is causing physical damage.

Most kids, even those on mostly reversible puberty suppression don’t usually even start cross-sex hormones until 14 or 15 at the earliest and despite of alarmist conservative media, they aren’t handed out like candy to anyone that asks. Bottom surgery (vaginoplasty) is almost never performed on anyone under 18 although I know of a few exceptional cases of 17½ year olds who did. In a 2015 study of 28,000 “transgender” people, only somewhere around 10% to 12% even went for bottom surgery.

biological women put at risk

Even at something like 0.6% of the population of the U.S., that’s still estimated to be around 1.7 million or so people and out of that number, how many incidents have there been? 50? 100? That’s terrible but this sort of thing sells papers, gets clicks and stirs people up – exactly what the media wants to do so every time one of these things does happen, it is splashed across the headlines and blows up. I don’t feel at risk because trans people.

Sports? Well, then maybe I agree somewhat. If a person has gone through male puberty, even if there are no obvious physical advantages such as size or muscle mass, then they should just stay home and play sports on their Xbox.

Prepubescent kids (or kids with suppressed puberty)? Let them just be kids and play with their friends.

legally allows any man willing to wear a dress access to women's change rooms

And do what? Behave in a lewd fashion? Expose themselves? Aren’t there already laws against that sort of thing? I will honestly say that if I saw penises in a place they should’t be, I would probably go full Karen and end up on social media as a raging transphobe. If you got a willy, keep it tucked and out of sight or stay out of places women are vulnerable.

and trans people themselves sold on surgeries without full informed consent. All in all, it's the agenda being pushed that's the problem. It's the cancelling of the voices of common sense/restraint.

And here’s where my thoughts diverge, I become transphobic and why I’m not a trans ideologue and subject to cancellation... In spite of the approved trans narrative, not all trans people are the same and in fact, the two major groups couldn’t be more different and this has been documented for over 100 years and absolutely denied by the modern trans “ideology” that touts everyone is the same. I am going to roughly say 80% to 85% of what we think of as transgender folks today would likely not have been candidates for surgery and transition therapies in decades past. The informed consent model and self-id are convenient for those not meeting the strict standards of the bygone era but look what a mess this whole thing has turned into and yes, this is all in disservice to authentic, gender dysphoric transsexuals so within the trans ideology, I would be branded a vile trans-medicalist (truscum)

In fact, I don’t even like the word transgender because it is too vague and nebulous to have any real meaning since everything under the sun now seems to fall under that category and recently seems to have become analogous to “woman with a penis” (chick with dick? girldick?) Now I’m a proponent of bodily autonomy and think people should be able to do whatever the hell they want but if someone is stupid enough to be “sold on surgery”, they deserve what they get if it doesn’t work out for them. These mistakes are certainly the fault of trans activism.

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: yuppa
SELF REMOVED by Author.

Not always worth it.

Well I cant go into detail.But not worth it as well since no one is willing to listen anyway.

I know. Several over the years gave it their best effort.

I really hate it when legitimate knowledgeable people of any specific topic are driven away.

Intentional willful ignorance of a STUCK mind/ideology.

originally posted by: AdifferentOpinion

originally posted by: igloo
a reply to: AdifferentOpinion
That's a lot of reading in one day for a brand new member. Strange to get all bothered over one particular member so quick.

I have been reading this site daily since 2006 and the OP’s posts since he/she/they/it joined a bit over seven months ago. It was only their unwillingness to consider points of view beyond their narrow and quite frankly, stubbornly obstinate point of view not to mention their inflexible agenda driven rhetoric that does nothing but rally ill will against a group of people and foster partisanship and division that finally drove me to respond.

What you seem to be missing is that the op isn't bashing trans people but pointing out the problematic trans agenda. Just as one other member posted above, there are trans people and trans activists. Big difference and it's the trans activists that are pushing their agenda in dangerous directions,

I will partially agree with some of this to a certain extent but not with what follows and do you really expect trans people not to not want to advocate for themselves even a little bit on some issues? Does having an opinion or speaking out individually about their own situation make them an activist/idealogue? Is there a line that can be drawn between the good and the bad?

directions that see underage kids get irreversible surgeries/hormones

In all but exceptional cases, surgery is never performed in anyone under 14 and then it is “top surgery” or male chest construction for natal females a practice which I think really needs to be stopped and a hard reevaluation done and only in cases where breast binding is causing physical damage.

Most kids, even those on mostly reversible puberty suppression don’t usually even start cross-sex hormones until 14 or 15 at the earliest and despite of alarmist conservative media, they aren’t handed out like candy to anyone that asks. Bottom surgery (vaginoplasty) is almost never performed on anyone under 18 although I know of a few exceptional cases of 17½ year olds who did. In a 2015 study of 28,000 “transgender” people, only somewhere around 10% to 12% even went for bottom surgery.

biological women put at risk

Even at something like 0.6% of the population of the U.S., that’s still estimated to be around 1.7 million or so people and out of that number, how many incidents have there been? 50? 100? That’s terrible but this sort of thing sells papers, gets clicks and stirs people up – exactly what the media wants to do so every time one of these things does happen, it is splashed across the headlines and blows up. I don’t feel at risk because trans people.

Sports? Well, then maybe I agree somewhat. If a person has gone through male puberty, even if there are no obvious physical advantages such as size or muscle mass, then they should just stay home and play sports on their Xbox.

Prepubescent kids (or kids with suppressed puberty)? Let them just be kids and play with their friends.

legally allows any man willing to wear a dress access to women's change rooms

And do what? Behave in a lewd fashion? Expose themselves? Aren’t there already laws against that sort of thing? I will honestly say that if I saw penises in a place they should’t be, I would probably go full Karen and end up on social media as a raging transphobe. If you got a willy, keep it tucked and out of sight or stay out of places women are vulnerable.

and trans people themselves sold on surgeries without full informed consent. All in all, it's the agenda being pushed that's the problem. It's the cancelling of the voices of common sense/restraint.

And here’s where my thoughts diverge, I become transphobic and why I’m not a trans ideologue and subject to cancellation... In spite of the approved trans narrative, not all trans people are the same and in fact, the two major groups couldn’t be more different and this has been documented for over 100 years and absolutely denied by the modern trans “ideology” that touts everyone is the same. I am going to roughly say 80% to 85% of what we think of as transgender folks today would likely not have been candidates for surgery and transition therapies in decades past. The informed consent model and self-id are convenient for those not meeting the strict standards of the bygone era but look what a mess this whole thing has turned into and yes, this is all in disservice to authentic, gender dysphoric transsexuals so within the trans ideology, I would be branded a vile trans-medicalist (truscum)

In fact, I don’t even like the word transgender because it is too vague and nebulous to have any real meaning since everything under the sun now seems to fall under that category and recently seems to have become analogous to “woman with a penis” (chick with dick? girldick?) Now I’m a proponent of bodily autonomy and think people should be able to do whatever the hell they want but if someone is stupid enough to be “sold on surgery”, they deserve what they get if it doesn’t work out for them. These mistakes are certainly the fault of trans activism.

What different points of view are you taking about? The existence of 72 genders? That men could get pregnant and give birth? That sex can change through 'hormonal therapy', drugs, and body part mutilations as part of the very 'beneficial' 'gender affirming care'

The arguments you present have no merits. In addition you are arguing about an agenda that only exists in your imagination and nowhere else. If you have had a look of my posts and threads in the last 6-7 months as you say you would have noticed that the majority of threads I have created wasn't related to this topic you wrongly claimed earlier.

You seem to have been triggered quite a lot by these threads. And I understand it as your rhetoric is compatible with that of those who are gender ideologists or trans activists.

There are several other threads discussing the same issues by many other members by the way.

Feel free to provide fact free statistics and opinions without a single link attached. Calling 'puberty blockers' damage as reversible you need to have evidence and not engage in transgender activism stating this as a fact.

In your case however you have presented a range of arguments that are used by the gender ideologists and trans activists. Even the article you provided earlier was written by a transwoman!

Yesterday you made a range of erroneous arguments such a

What is a woman? To that I ask what is a man without referring to body parts? Are men and women not cultural labels based on societal roles, appearance, behavior and experiences? What makes a boy become a man? Is it a special birthday or is it the things we consider men to be; traditionally providers, protectors, leaders, guardians, etc

The gender ideologists believe that men and women are cultural labels which are based on societal roles, appearance, behaviour, and experiences.

Scientifically speaking men and women are not cultural labels but manifestations of the chromosomal make up of an individual.

A man is an adult human male
A woman is an adult human female

Sex is determined by the Y chromosome.

Do you remember making this argument?

a reply to: AdifferentOpinion

You have also said:

How many genders exist? Well, in my own experience I have seen a range of masculinity and femininity expressed by both males and females and I believe that we as people are a mix of both energies. I’ve known some traditionally masculine females and some traditionally feminine males but I am aware that my interpretation of these qualities are subjective and based on my societal and cultural influences. Obviously, the most common answer would align with the number of sexes – two but since younger generations seem fixated on finding special labels for themselves, (“moon gender” anyone), I can’t answer that question in a way that most would find valid

Being a feminine male doesn't make you a woman. Being a masculine female doesn't make you a man.

You have to ask yourself why the number of genders is usually two. And why transgenderism encourages people to explore and why not to change gender directly recognising that there are only two genders! What a coincidence between the number of genders and the number of sexes!

Maybe we all know the answer!

You are mistaken if you think that my point of view is narrow and misguided. The vary majority of people here hold more or less the same views that are not misguided at all. They don't accept the absurd claims made in the name of gender and transgender ideologies and rightfully so.

You need to have evidence to convince others. But the proponents of this ideology provide fact free assertions and opinions in the absence of any evidence.

a reply to: AdifferentOpinion

By the way, since you are using all the relevant terminology, the word 'transphobia' is a made up term so to attack those who criticise the transgender ideology.

It's so Ill-constructed that those who coined the term didn't even realise that phobia is synonymous to fear and the word means fear of trans people which is pretty ridiculous. Nobody fears trans people.

I am sure that Dr McHugh and other members of John Hopkins University have been called transphobes, bigots, racists, and the rest, but this is just a range of nonsensical accusations.

Dr McHugh and most of the competent scientists are correct to point out that counselling and psychotherapy are the correct ways to treat those who have gender dysphoria and that 'puberty blockers', 'hormonal therapy', and removing of genitalia, are really harmful and often catastrophic for the patient. Every competent scientist and every sane person will agree with him.

I forgot to mention that some of these 'puberty blockers' are given to sex offenders for the purposes of chemical castration...

As for your last part. You said you don't want to use the word transgender. That is your own issue. You can also write to some transgender groups and organisations and propose alternatives.

this cult will end by itself. Not worried at all. They will exterminate themselves without any outside help.
And we will move on to the next crazy thing trending that the elites wants to push. Trans is not automatically mental disorder when you take more than 5 minutes to study what xenoestrogens are and where/how you are exposed to it all your fcking life. There you can also understand that it can also be a true illness. But lets the so-bright sjw have their fun with this topic for a few years until it fades. They will anyway find a new topic to get the illusion of being useful to something in life.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: Asmodeus3

So much for that guys career. He'll be canceled into oblivion, if not attacked by some nutter.

Dr McGugh is a distinguished professor of Psychiatry at John Hopkins University and he has a brilliant career. He is of some age and he is still providing his services.

The ideologists and activists cannot cancel scientists, generally speaking, and there is no way anyone can take them seriously.

The entire John Hopkins University has been criticised by various groups for not providing results and research that matches the expectations and absurd beliefs of the trans activists and gender ideologists.

This is what happens when gender ideology meets science and reality.

Why do I suspect John Hopkins University will shortly be suffering a severe funding crises.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

The ideologists and activists cannot cancel scientists, generally speaking, and there is no way anyone can take them seriously.

Uh, yea.....they can cancel them as they have others in the past. And they will.