The Jesus of the Bible was a communist. If you aren't a communist, then you are anti-Christ.

a reply to: iamthevirus

Look at you, sometimes I have to laugh really hard at what you wrote, but then I remeber you're not joking and I feel a little sorry...
ever heard of projection? it's like psychology 101

originally posted by: Moon68

Grooming fest going on in this here thread.

Sly as a pack of pedos...

a reply to: iamthevirus

More like trigger fest...

Those who scream the loudest

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: iamthevirus

More like trigger fest...

Those who scream the loudest

Just a defender of my faith.

All my faiths, Constitution, Capitalism, Jesus and stuff like that... It's my duty.

What can I say?

I call it like I see it.

a reply to: iamthevirus

Sounds more like personal attacks than an elaborate defense... Probably because you can not elaborate your blind faith... But hey even the blind chicken finds a corn.

Perspective is a hard thing...

a reply to: iamthevirus

It all goes back to getting cast out of Eden doesn't it?

God cursed Adam to work hard to make the ground produce enough fruit for you. You will have to work hard and sweat to make the soil produce anything.

God wasn't creating a community of shared labor. He wanted each of us to feel it and know.

a reply to: iamthevirus

i think its a discipline not a religion

i play basketball nearly every day and play the guitar every day but they arent religious
they dont adhere to some higher power there is no spiritual leader involved no higher being etc

its just me and the things i like to do which I think bring me joy

sure you could say that is similar to religion but its not religion
again things can be similar but not the same

I can see parallels between a discipline like martial arts or playing guitar doing something repeatedly
over and over , do you get better at praying the more you pray ?
do you become more religious the more you pray ?
what skill are you improving your religious knowledge ?
i guess it doesnt really matter

i dont need faith to play the guitar or basketball just my body and the will
to do it.
im sure if god exists they will sort me out when I die
no biggie im not that bothered either way , just glad I got to be here to play the guitar and basketball
even had a few discussions on ATS that were ok too
all just a bit of fun.

a reply to: ltrz2025

Come to think of it, anthropomorphization aside, religions such as Christianity and Islam would seem to suggest that Heaven is a theocracy with God being the recognised supreme ruling authority.

So I'm thinking there is not much chance of Jesus being a communist but a believer or one of the faithful required to adhere to the strict religious laws and practice same as every other subject.

a reply to: andy06shake

From a Christian perspective, which is what my thread has as main postulate, Jesus is GOD himself. My OP wasn't aimed to discuss "alternative" theories regarding who Jesus was, like you propose. There was a thread, not long ago, entitled "Who is Jesus to you?", and that was debated there thoroughly.

Then, when it comes to Jesus' commandments and the way he lived according to the book, Jesus' perspective of private property and capital (wealth accumulation) are the same to the basic principles of communism. It's literally there, they coincide 100%. Not much to interpret.

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: iamthevirus

Sounds more like personal attacks than an elaborate defense... Probably because you can not elaborate your blind faith... But hey even the blind chicken finds a corn.

Perspective is a hard thing...

Attempting radicalization and online grooming in chat rooms and forums is something we've all been made aware of in this way and age.

a reply to: iamthevirus

When you "defend" your faith through insults, ad hominem attacks, twisting people's words, falsely accusing them with fantasies, etc. you are not really "defending" your faith, you are simply exposing how weak your position is, since you make clear that you have no arguments.

Plus, you also show that you don't really follow the Jesus' laws that you claim to uphold, like when he commands you not judging others. You clearly don't care about that. So, in the end, you end up helping my position. You are the example that I was trying to show here. Thanks for that.

Much love

a reply to: ltrz2025

More like a communist shill attempting to radicalize people to Statism.

perspective perspective...

originally posted by: ltrz2025
Everybody is coming almost always with the same questions, which I'm answering over and over. I answered the point you make to four or five people already. It's true that in (Matthew 19:21) Jesus is talking to a rich man, but after speaking to him, he turns around and tells his followers that THIS COMMANDMENT IS TO EVERYBODY, to which everyone act shocked. Here is the extended version, Matthew 19:21-30:

The problem is that you keep on missing the key words that Jesus uses over and over. The first one is "rich" and he uses that in the context of someone who puts wealth before God. There is no definition of when you are rich or not in the bible other than as to how Jesus uses it. This is why Jesus says it would be very hard for a rich man to enter heaven since in all likelihood he is rich because wealth is his true idol. Your take on this is to mean that anyone with more than the clothes on their backs are not following what Jesus demands is utter nonsense, but that seems to be your argument.

The other issue to this is penance that is required when one falls from grace and when taking another idol before God that takes a lot more than just saying "my bad". Jesus basically challenges this man and others to say if one puts wealth before God then give up all wealth to prove you have put God back into your life. This is where charity comes into play too in we all need to work to live, and so to suggest one needs to give up everything to be one with God is a stupid idea that I have already addressed. You can have your own fields to sow, and God expects you to work and not just sit around waiting for him to take care of you. So, we all need to survive, but when we have extra, we can provide charity to others. There is no hard line to how much or little one should give other than what they can, no more no less. It is that simple...

Another area that I have already addressed that I think you have not replied to is the other words Jesus uses over and over and that is "private property." I'll repeat what I said before...

The other side of all this is the definition of "private property" that the Romans invented about 100 years before Jesus. In their definition it is absolute, inalienable power of that person over that thing which could be human slaves too. If everyone gave up everything in your view of the passages who would sow the fields, milk the cows, make the cloth, live etc etc... I agree it doesn't make sense in your view, so then it is most likely your view is incorrect.

Today we do not have “absolute property” as the Romans allowed Roman citizens to have, so we really need to look at that area to understand why Jesus was upset with it all.

a reply to: ltrz2025

From a Christian perspective, which is what my thread has as main postulate, Jesus is GOD himself.

Then I'm afraid he is still anything but a communist if indeed he is in charge of the theocracy, as above so below, and all that jazz you see.

My OP wasn't aimed to discuss "alternative" theories regarding Jesus.There was a thread, not long ago, entitled "Who is Jesus to you?" and that was debated there thoroughly.

Never met the fellow ltrz2025 to me he's just someone i used to colour in with crayons in pictures at Sunday school, and listen to the minister hark on about from the pulpit.

Then, when it comes to Jesus' commandments and the way he lived according to the book, Jesus' perspective of private property and capital (wealth accumulation) are the same to the basic principles of communism.

It's difficult to say whether Jesus was a communist, as the concept of communism as we know it today did not exist during Jesus's time.

The man was all about helping the poor, and caring for one another, which are the values that you seem to be associating with communism.

It's literally there, they coincide 100%. Not much to interpret.

Quite a lot to interpret overall ltrz2025 as it's difficult to categorise the teachings of Jesus in terms of modern political and economic systems, as far as I'm led to believe religion, in this case Christianity, is primarily focused on spiritual matters as opposed to political or economic ideologies.

originally posted by: ltrz2025
Much love

I got sum lovin' for ya...

Bet your bottom dollar on that.

I'd give y'all a club to smash each other's head in but it seems I'm too late already.

The possiblity of even getting there.

a reply to: iamthevirus


Balance ??? .... We actually need more of them considering the regular christian online orgies held around these forums...

If you can't discuss differing opinions on religion, maybe look for a Christian message board where you can feel totally save from being "groomed"
Funny how the active bulk of Christians here, is doing exactly that "grooming".

originally posted by: Untun
I'd give y'all a club to smash each other's head in but it seems I'm too late already.

The possiblity of even getting there.

Commies dude... Cross Dressing at that lol.

Wolf in sheep's clothing gig lol.

a reply to: Untun

The feather is mightier than the club.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Again. You keep saying that in Matthew 19:21 (sell all your goods and give it to the poor), Jesus is only making reference to a "rich man". I already explained that if you read the extended chapter, Jesus is talking about everybody. Jesus is clearly saying to ALL the people in front of him that they need to sell everything and give it to the poor if they want eternal life.

Here, again Matthew 19:21-30:

21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, then go and sell all that you own. Give the money to the poor, and you will have riches in heaven. Then come and follow me!”

22 But when the young man heard Jesus tell him to give away his money, he was sad. He didn’t want to do this, because he was very rich. So he left.

23 Then Jesus said to his followers, “The truth is, it will be very hard for a rich person to enter God’s kingdom. 24 Yes, I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter God’s kingdom."

25 The followers were amazed to hear this. They asked, “Then who can be saved?”

26 Jesus looked at them and said, “This is something that people cannot do. But God can do anything.”

27 Peter said to him, “We left everything we had and followed you. So what will we have?”

28 Jesus said to them, “When the time of the new world comes, the Son of Man will sit on his great and glorious throne. And I can promise that you who followed me will sit on twelve thrones, and you will judge the twelve tribes of Israel. 29 Everyone who has left houses, brothers, sisters, father, mother, children, or farms to follow me will get much more than they left. And they will have eternal life. 30 Many people who are first now will be last in the future. And many who are last now will be first in the future.

Read again Matthew 19:29!!! Not only Jesus is asking his followers to dispose of all their private properties, he is also asking them to abandon their own families. Total sacrifice or nothing. You are interpreting his words like he didn't say such thing, or he meant differently. What kind of God would ask you to sacrifice EVERYTHING you have, even your family, in a figure of speech, or a metaphor, as you want to push? The words of Jesus ARE LITERAL and of extreme importance here, and he is talking to everybody, since he is talking about how to achieve eternal life, that's salvation!...


Additional point that you left behind too:
You are also deciding to DENY the fact that, as described in the passages in Acts, Jesus and his followers lived THAT VERY SAME WAY as he preaches in Matthew 19:21. Which goes to show that this commandment wasn't only for that "rich man" he was talking to, but for EVERYBODY that followed him and were looking to be perfect (go to heaven).


P.S.: The Roman law, or the way you are trying to relativize the concept of "private property" is irrelevant for this. Jesus tells his followers to sell all they have, not much to interpret there.