'Violent Scenes' Outside Merseyside Hotel Housing Asylum Seekers

a reply to: Grenade

34% of our annual budget goes to welfare.
6% is spent on education.

At least 1/3 of that is spent on pensions are you suggesting forcing OAPs to earn their scraps?

I remember when they did force people to work for benefits it turned into exploitation of the poor where people worked a full time job.

Next came universal credit, which is turning out to be universal since a lot of single people are getting subsidized housing and other benefits. Working single people.

There's all the energy top ups that's increased drastically, again if you want to mess with those benefits you'll find a lion's share goes to OAPs...

This year they're giving £1000+ to benefit receivers, free money! I bet that pisses you off?

I'd rather give that money to the pensioners who earned their retirement. Pensions consider contributions, why doesn't welfare?

You're a pensioner by age not your employment history. The government doesn't pay private pensions. There's a lot of problems and financial gaps within that part of the benefits system too. Oh, unless you mean disregard the pensioners who didn't contribute to a private pension? Idk but benefits have always had a contribution element. Might be worth looking into UC, how it works and who qualifies.

To even talk about the benefits system we'd have to come to terms with how much it supports the UK economy. Or buy into the divide and ask big brother to sort it all out? Cry enough he might hear you.

The answer will be: We shall overhaul the benefits system and privatise the failing bits!

a reply to: RAY1990

The answer will be: We shall overhaul the benefits system and privatise the failing bits!

I'd suggest scrapping the benefits system and implementing a Universal Income , a couple of countries have trialed it with positive results , Finland being one.

Finland ran a two-year universal basic income study in 2017 and 2018, during which the government gave 2000 unemployed people aged between 25 and 58 monthly payments with no strings attached.

The payments of €560 per month weren’t means tested and were unconditional, so they weren’t reduced if an individual got a job or later had a pay rise. The study was nationwide and selected recipients weren’t able to opt out, because the test was written into legislation.

Between November 2017 and October 2018, people on basic income worked an average of 78 days, which was six days more than those on unemployment benefits.

There was a greater increase in employment for people in families with children, as well as those whose first language wasn’t Finnish or Swedish – but the researchers aren’t yet sure why.

When surveyed, people who received universal basic income instead of regular unemployment benefits reported better financial well-being, mental health and cognitive functioning, as well as higher levels of confidence in the future.
www.newscientist.com...

This crap started here when ‘they’ started moving folks from the ghetto areas of the Boston suburbs to old hotels, motels and the projects (now called condos) in the area.
That has gone soooo well.

Well, the one strip club called ‘the pink palace’ by locals that was real close to two re-settlement places did real well. For a short time anyway……

Geez, to think back on how more than a few skippers had us meet there to settle up (get paid) at trips end back in the day.
First time I saw some skank spraying guys by expressing breast milk did it for me. That place was gross!!!

Good luck world, we gonna need it!












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was always going to happen this way irrespective of the tie colour of the party [not]running the show wears saw it down here with the so called fishermen blocking the lifeboat any one who knows the industry would say the most of those would be not from the UK but rather from the med/north Africa as its a way to earn a living under the radar and they know the more that get crammed in the more explosive it'll become so blocking the lifeboats becomes a viable option in the same way the sun/Murdoch hating Liverpool will stand up for itself as no one else will stand up for them..

all the pro cash any WEF signs I see around here are very much from the left wing as they know none of the parties have their interests at heart...

we pivot ever closer to a reformation point... but the parties in Westminster are lost shepherding minority coalitions of activists and won't see the events for what they are until its far to later.. Westminster has been on warning since 2010.. a warning I'd now say is extended to Holyrood, the Senedd and Stormont..

a reply to: gortex

Scrap all public subsidies if we're implementing a UI. Have you seen the price of plasters lately?

The whole universal income thing is a mountain to climb, it could be fun but it's mostly painted as daunting. We're halfway there though, if only people understood what's spent in their name and where.

Do away with public transport and housing and let the market fill the gaps. I reckon with the socioeconomic benefits of a UI things would improve drastically. Ideally make essential services actually public again whilst cleaning them up, they'll be less burdened when people are economically capable.

If it's costing up to £4500 a month to house an asylum seeker what would it cost to give an equal standard of existence to a citizen in similar shoes? £800-1000 directly? Half of that would be housing benefits but what's rent at these days? Cheap if you manage to get public housing...

a reply to: RAY1990

State pensions are contribution based. You need 11 years of employment to qualify even for a basic state pension in the UK. 30 years contributions for the full pension.

Benefit fraud costs this country nearly 20bn a year.

My problem is with young, healthy, working age people who want a free ride and abuse the system. I clearly stated that!

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: LABTECH767



We are the British, we have fought for Europe's freedom and we don't want to be used by them as there bloody rubbish bin.

You fought nobody. Stop riding on the back of someone else's valour from 80 years ago.

God you know how to rub someone up.

Seriously I have made it clear several time on this site that I have never been military, I nearly was but health?, went down to join for the first gulf war just as it was starting up and am actually thankful I never went in after find out we were fed a pack of lies.

Anyway it's not 80 years ago for me, I was born in 1970 and my mother lived through it, her brothers fought and her relatives were killed, her father was military intelligence and though estranged from the evil old and now thankfully dead man that was my biological father his father was Torpedoed three times in the war, lost three ships under him.

So twenty five years before I was born how about you?.

And at least I did go to offer my service and do my duty when I was lied to and told we were going to be in a war what about you?.

I mean I know plenty of ex squaddies, for all I know you could be one as well or a former navy or even Raf.

My relatives were all three and one more military intelligence, that's right he was a spy master of sorts over the black and tan's (I know why the Irish hate them he was NOT a black and Tan but was over their intelligence - they were actually the scum of the earth pretty much the same as the Russians Wagner there foot soldiers often being recruited from prisons - he was actually proper Army intelligence but drew the short straw and had to train their agent's to infiltrate the IRA etc and work south of the border) an instructor on the Intelligence Staff from the 1920's and did OTHER work during the second world war.

a reply to: Joneselius

oh...they will just let it turn into another Rotherham and cry racism when people point out the obvious

a reply to: LABTECH767

Not entirely sure where the Iraq theory came from and whether it's just that our based on genetic ebidence. If I remember where I'll post it to you Labs

Fantastic write up btw, always love your posts learn from them too

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originally posted by: Grenade

Benefit fraud costs this country nearly 20bn a year.

My problem is with young, healthy, working age people who want a free ride and abuse the system. I clearly stated that!

Spot on Grenade and until that is put right immigrants will continue to arrive, legal, illegal and also through iffy asylum as they fill the gaps the bone idle good for nothing British layabout youth, who ironically are the ones that get trawled into far right groups and attack hostels. What happened to British youth? Not all of them yet a significant percentage are just a useless waste of time who haven't got a days work in them. I'd take a million hard working immigrants from Asia or africa and swap in exchange a million of our cock sucking work shy layabouts born here. Thing is................. Nobody would want them

originally posted by: LABTECH767

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: LABTECH767



We are the British, we have fought for Europe's freedom and we don't want to be used by them as there bloody rubbish bin.

You fought nobody. Stop riding on the back of someone else's valour from 80 years ago.

And at least I did go to offer my service and do my duty when I was lied to and told we were going to be in a war what about you?.

3 years of military (brainwashing) service from 84-87.
Everyone and their dog can claim to have several family members serve in a theater of war. You are not unique. As I said. Stop stealing Valour. You fought no one and served nowhere.

a reply to: Grenade

My problem is with young, healthy, working age people who want a free ride and abuse the system. I clearly stated that!

They tried things that targeted the youth back around 2006ish and it was deemed a breach of human rights, I mentioned that. This government has enough failings and human rights violations without asking them to seriously mess up another aspect of society.

State pensions are contribution based, you'll find that most benefits are means-tested but as I mentioned we've also got a UC system that took years to implement and cost us billions, it's still means tested hence why working people are on it. I'm unsure if there's a contributory element based on NI contributions although that's the way things were done... It's a failing system that doesn't even compute with the system at large but that's probably for another thread. Pensions next? Would be my guess.

My problem is with young, healthy, working age people who want a free ride and abuse the system. I clearly stated that!

Pennies on the pound, I know it adds up. That said how much does a youth actually qualify for and what does their circumstances need to look like to be eligible?

The 'easy money' will always be in making kids, given the state of society I will always argue that kids aren't getting enough of the things they need.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Eh?

Immigrants bad unless traded for lazy homosexual citizens?

Kinda let it all shine through there didn't you?

Nobody would want them

Yet people keep making them and idiots wonder why the grass seemed greener yesterday.

a reply to: Freeborn

the thing people want to gloss over is how its left leaning areas that are kicking off as these are the areas being turned into huge kettles by all sides..

it like stammer pairing with the Fabián's to replace the nhs with a care service that places health care in private hands.. these are the same Fabián's who championed eugenics as a health model in the 30s..

left/right none of them have the best interest of the people who live here especially not the open border nimby types who love cheap labour to make them rich enough to signal their virtues..

none of it will end up doing them any good as the whole sh*t show implodes around their ears..

it won't be long now as we are close to the hardest of landings now.. the question we have to contend with is will this failing elite take us to war revolution of reformation... all other choices are slipping from their hands..

a reply to: RAY1990

Pensions next? Would be my guess.

worth considering the big elephant in the room is the $80tn pensions hole. its why truss was taken down as her mistake was not just in misreading the room but unintentionally exposing the pensions that caught not just the boe off guard but also caused BlackRock to nearly halt trading.. BlackRock is 10x Lehman's etc and next to BlackRock you have its pair Blackstone.. its the only broken world in which hunt could be see as a safe pair of hands..

we'll trip up on pensions catastrophe sooner or later which will unmask the scale of corruption and collapse the west as they all rush to protect their own arses.. and this protest will pale in comparison.. why do you think the establishment is so desperate to get the retiree back into work.. the more retirees the harder it is to mask the issues with the pension pots..

originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Eh?

Immigrants bad unless traded for lazy homosexual citizens?

Kinda let it all shine through there didn't you?

Read it again Ray. Never said anything of the sort. Totally up for immigration into Britain, what do you think this island nation is built on?????????????? Every generation has people moving this way then this way. We are all made up of these peoples on the move, like a wafer, all from varied ancestry from all over. Our business community now and forever going backwards has been built up by fresh blood immigration that wants to succeed on an island where they are free to prosper.

You really do jump to a certain card Ray. Please, before you speak

a reply to: RAY1990

I’m not talking about the youth pal. Many of the people I went to school with in the 80’s still haven’t worked a day in their life (officially). The simply married a skank, had a bunch of kids and lived off handouts. Essentially from my view the money I pay into the system supports the lifestyle of a few lazy assholes who think their entitled to housing and welfare. Maybe you’ve lived a more entitled life and haven’t seen the abuse of the system to the extent I did as a youth, living in a council estate in Glasgow. Before you say it my Mum worked everyday of her life, unfortunately my alcoholic father spent all our income at the pub hence we had a council home. Since age 17 I’ve never taken a penny from the government and either privately rented or bought my home.

There’s plenty of work out there for those people willing to find it.

Farage gives his opinion on the Merseyside protest.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

I don't think wanting to have a sensible approach towards controlled immigration puts you at the same level as National Socialism.