What is the infection fatality rate (IFR) of Covid 19 now?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Asmodeus3

If you can't be bothered to post examples of folk comparing COVID to Spanish Flu, why should I bother?

My posting history is there for all to see, and you are fully aware of my posts to you about the knock on effects of lockdowns, missed diagnoses affect of COVID on our NHS etc.

Because I have pointed this out to you many times.

Deny that. Why don't you?

Oh. You did.

Will answer as above .
My argument was always that the MSM presented Covid-19 as if it was the Spanish Flu.

Key words: 'As if'

I wonder if you can find a post of mine where I have explicitly said that the CNN for example or the BBC said Covid-19 was like the Spanish Flu. You won't find any.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

I have made that point many times.

It is you that blames the vaccines.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

I never mentioned CNN or the BBC saying that.

So, no, I won't.

Another "straw man".

Jeez.....

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: MaxxAction
a reply to: ScepticScot

Ummm,

sorry to disagree, but the route we took to get here was littered with signs and warning about killing your gramma if you didn't get vaxxed and wear a mask.

They were successful in cajoling the majority of the populations of most modern countries to get vaccinated, stand 6 feet apart, and wear worthless masks everywhere, and they couldn't protect the elderly?

Come on now, you don't get to have it both ways. You can't say that the measures undertaken protected people and saved millions of lives, but those same measures if applied on a smaller scale wouldn't have protected old, frail, or at risk individuals.

Not to mention that forcing covid infected people into general population in nursing homes and LTCFs is very odd way to try to protect people in nursing homes and LTCFs.

The measures worked by slowing the spread of covid. There wasn't an option to selectively apply them.

The measures have failed and the success that you have argued is only your unsubstantiated claim and nothing else. As a result of these 'wonderful' lockdowns in your country of origin you are now getting a large number of excess non Covid deaths since July 2022

There are over 30,000 excess non Covid deaths from July 2022 until the 13th of January 2023


It is a catastrophy and there more to come as it seems.

While making an unsubstantiated claim that they have failed

The excess deaths is a fact. And of course you are trying to deny it. But it is a fact.

Lockdowns most likely contributed to the excess deaths regardless of your denialism.

www.newscientist.com...

There are thousands more UK deaths than usual and we don’t know why

The data suggest that it is very likely that something substantial is happening,” says Michael Murphy at the London School of Economics

Something else is happening obviously and it's not climate change or the Republicans in the US

Did you read your link?

It doesn't support your claim at all.

That's false. The link as well as many other sources explicitly saying about excess non Covid deaths. Your SkyNews has put it around 994 per week from July 2022 until the end of December.

Very first paragraph in you link.

Since April, there have been 22,500 more deaths than expected in the UK. Health experts are concerned but unsure of the causes – which could include covid-19, population ageing and NHS problems

So not whole or even mainly caused by lockdowns.

You need to read more as the majority of deaths are non Covid deaths. And there are many more until the second week of January. They have been analysed in various threads that discuss excess deaths.

Lockdowns have contributed massively.

The author is trying hard to include all other factors but unfortunately something else is going on.

Yes there are excess deaths.

Yes lockdowns are probably a contributing factor

No you can't just ignore all the other factors covered in your own link.

Lockdowns is a massive factor as it is the one that causes the delays in the first place. Lockdowns and delays are entangled in this case.

Your own link doesn't support that assertion.

Lockdowns certainly will have contributed however that is at due to the pish poor planning of the government to deal with the post lockdown health care needs.

It also ignites all the other factors, including those raised in your own link.

It also ignores that we have could have similar or worst impact if we hadn't had lockdowns due to strain put on healththcare system by covid.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Asmodeus3

I have made that point many times.

It is you that blames the vaccines.

An excellent point hadn't he/she been blaming vaccines on other threads?

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: MaxxAction
a reply to: ScepticScot

Ummm,

sorry to disagree, but the route we took to get here was littered with signs and warning about killing your gramma if you didn't get vaxxed and wear a mask.

They were successful in cajoling the majority of the populations of most modern countries to get vaccinated, stand 6 feet apart, and wear worthless masks everywhere, and they couldn't protect the elderly?

Come on now, you don't get to have it both ways. You can't say that the measures undertaken protected people and saved millions of lives, but those same measures if applied on a smaller scale wouldn't have protected old, frail, or at risk individuals.

Not to mention that forcing covid infected people into general population in nursing homes and LTCFs is very odd way to try to protect people in nursing homes and LTCFs.

The measures worked by slowing the spread of covid. There wasn't an option to selectively apply them.

The measures have failed and the success that you have argued is only your unsubstantiated claim and nothing else. As a result of these 'wonderful' lockdowns in your country of origin you are now getting a large number of excess non Covid deaths since July 2022

There are over 30,000 excess non Covid deaths from July 2022 until the 13th of January 2023


It is a catastrophy and there more to come as it seems.

While making an unsubstantiated claim that they have failed

The excess deaths is a fact. And of course you are trying to deny it. But it is a fact.

Lockdowns most likely contributed to the excess deaths regardless of your denialism.

www.newscientist.com...

There are thousands more UK deaths than usual and we don’t know why

The data suggest that it is very likely that something substantial is happening,” says Michael Murphy at the London School of Economics

Something else is happening obviously and it's not climate change or the Republicans in the US

Did you read your link?

It doesn't support your claim at all.

That's false. The link as well as many other sources explicitly saying about excess non Covid deaths. Your SkyNews has put it around 994 per week from July 2022 until the end of December.

Very first paragraph in you link.

Since April, there have been 22,500 more deaths than expected in the UK. Health experts are concerned but unsure of the causes – which could include covid-19, population ageing and NHS problems

So not whole or even mainly caused by lockdowns.

You need to read more as the majority of deaths are non Covid deaths. And there are many more until the second week of January. They have been analysed in various threads that discuss excess deaths.

Lockdowns have contributed massively.

The author is trying hard to include all other factors but unfortunately something else is going on.

Yes there are excess deaths.

Yes lockdowns are probably a contributing factor

No you can't just ignore all the other factors covered in your own link.

Lockdowns is a massive factor as it is the one that causes the delays in the first place. Lockdowns and delays are entangled in this case.

Your own link doesn't support that assertion.

Lockdowns certainly will have contributed however that is at due to the pish poor planning of the government to deal with the post lockdown health care needs.

It also ignites all the other factors, including those raised in your own link.

It also ignores that we have could have similar or worst impact if we hadn't had lockdowns due to strain put on healththcare system by covid.

The link I have given you is about the excess deaths and the excess non Covid deaths.

The author is trying very hard to give every other cause other than the lockdowns that were very damaging as it seems. But the numbers speak for themselves. You are likely to have in the UK comparable number of deaths due to the wrong response and the restrictions as deaths due to Covid.

Currently it is 217K deaths due to Covid
And over 30K excess non Covid deaths due to the wrong measures you have taken.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: MaxxAction
a reply to: ScepticScot

Ummm,

sorry to disagree, but the route we took to get here was littered with signs and warning about killing your gramma if you didn't get vaxxed and wear a mask.

They were successful in cajoling the majority of the populations of most modern countries to get vaccinated, stand 6 feet apart, and wear worthless masks everywhere, and they couldn't protect the elderly?

Come on now, you don't get to have it both ways. You can't say that the measures undertaken protected people and saved millions of lives, but those same measures if applied on a smaller scale wouldn't have protected old, frail, or at risk individuals.

Not to mention that forcing covid infected people into general population in nursing homes and LTCFs is very odd way to try to protect people in nursing homes and LTCFs.

The measures worked by slowing the spread of covid. There wasn't an option to selectively apply them.

The measures have failed and the success that you have argued is only your unsubstantiated claim and nothing else. As a result of these 'wonderful' lockdowns in your country of origin you are now getting a large number of excess non Covid deaths since July 2022

There are over 30,000 excess non Covid deaths from July 2022 until the 13th of January 2023


It is a catastrophy and there more to come as it seems.

While making an unsubstantiated claim that they have failed

The excess deaths is a fact. And of course you are trying to deny it. But it is a fact.

Lockdowns most likely contributed to the excess deaths regardless of your denialism.

www.newscientist.com...

There are thousands more UK deaths than usual and we don’t know why

The data suggest that it is very likely that something substantial is happening,” says Michael Murphy at the London School of Economics

Something else is happening obviously and it's not climate change or the Republicans in the US

Did you read your link?

It doesn't support your claim at all.

That's false. The link as well as many other sources explicitly saying about excess non Covid deaths. Your SkyNews has put it around 994 per week from July 2022 until the end of December.

Very first paragraph in you link.

Since April, there have been 22,500 more deaths than expected in the UK. Health experts are concerned but unsure of the causes – which could include covid-19, population ageing and NHS problems

So not whole or even mainly caused by lockdowns.

You need to read more as the majority of deaths are non Covid deaths. And there are many more until the second week of January. They have been analysed in various threads that discuss excess deaths.

Lockdowns have contributed massively.

The author is trying hard to include all other factors but unfortunately something else is going on.

Yes there are excess deaths.

Yes lockdowns are probably a contributing factor

No you can't just ignore all the other factors covered in your own link.

Lockdowns is a massive factor as it is the one that causes the delays in the first place. Lockdowns and delays are entangled in this case.

Your own link doesn't support that assertion.

Lockdowns certainly will have contributed however that is at due to the pish poor planning of the government to deal with the post lockdown health care needs.

It also ignites all the other factors, including those raised in your own link.

It also ignores that we have could have similar or worst impact if we hadn't had lockdowns due to strain put on healththcare system by covid.

The link I have given you is about the excess deaths and the excess non Covid deaths.

The author is trying very hard to give every other cause other than the lockdowns that were very damaging as it seems. But the numbers speak for themselves. You are likely to have in the UK comparable number of deaths due to the wrong response and the restrictions as deaths due to Covid.

Currently it is 217K deaths due to Covid
And over 30K excess non Covid deaths due to the wrong measures you have taken.

Yes your own link doesn't support your claim.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Asmodeus3

I have made that point many times.

It is you that blames the vaccines.

Vaccines are part of the problem.

I have given a number of reasons for the number of excess deaths in various threads.


How many deaths due to the vaccines you had in the UK and how many people have been crippled because of the vaccines?

Scale up now to 5.5 billion people (at least) who have been vaccinated in the entire world.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Asmodeus3

I have made that point many times.

It is you that blames the vaccines.

Vaccines are part of the problem.

I have given a number of reasons for the number of excess deaths in various threads.


How many deaths due to the vaccines you had in the UK and how many people have been crippled because of the vaccines?

Scale up now to 5.5 billion people (at least) who have been vaccinated in the entire world.

Sorry is it vaccines or lockdowns that are the major cause of excess deaths? An approximate ratio would be fine.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: MaxxAction
a reply to: ScepticScot

Ummm,

sorry to disagree, but the route we took to get here was littered with signs and warning about killing your gramma if you didn't get vaxxed and wear a mask.

They were successful in cajoling the majority of the populations of most modern countries to get vaccinated, stand 6 feet apart, and wear worthless masks everywhere, and they couldn't protect the elderly?

Come on now, you don't get to have it both ways. You can't say that the measures undertaken protected people and saved millions of lives, but those same measures if applied on a smaller scale wouldn't have protected old, frail, or at risk individuals.

Not to mention that forcing covid infected people into general population in nursing homes and LTCFs is very odd way to try to protect people in nursing homes and LTCFs.

The measures worked by slowing the spread of covid. There wasn't an option to selectively apply them.

The measures have failed and the success that you have argued is only your unsubstantiated claim and nothing else. As a result of these 'wonderful' lockdowns in your country of origin you are now getting a large number of excess non Covid deaths since July 2022

There are over 30,000 excess non Covid deaths from July 2022 until the 13th of January 2023


It is a catastrophy and there more to come as it seems.

While making an unsubstantiated claim that they have failed

The excess deaths is a fact. And of course you are trying to deny it. But it is a fact.

Lockdowns most likely contributed to the excess deaths regardless of your denialism.

www.newscientist.com...

There are thousands more UK deaths than usual and we don’t know why

The data suggest that it is very likely that something substantial is happening,” says Michael Murphy at the London School of Economics

Something else is happening obviously and it's not climate change or the Republicans in the US

Did you read your link?

It doesn't support your claim at all.

That's false. The link as well as many other sources explicitly saying about excess non Covid deaths. Your SkyNews has put it around 994 per week from July 2022 until the end of December.

Very first paragraph in you link.

Since April, there have been 22,500 more deaths than expected in the UK. Health experts are concerned but unsure of the causes – which could include covid-19, population ageing and NHS problems

So not whole or even mainly caused by lockdowns.

You need to read more as the majority of deaths are non Covid deaths. And there are many more until the second week of January. They have been analysed in various threads that discuss excess deaths.

Lockdowns have contributed massively.

The author is trying hard to include all other factors but unfortunately something else is going on.

Yes there are excess deaths.

Yes lockdowns are probably a contributing factor

No you can't just ignore all the other factors covered in your own link.

Lockdowns is a massive factor as it is the one that causes the delays in the first place. Lockdowns and delays are entangled in this case.

Your own link doesn't support that assertion.

Lockdowns certainly will have contributed however that is at due to the pish poor planning of the government to deal with the post lockdown health care needs.

It also ignites all the other factors, including those raised in your own link.

It also ignores that we have could have similar or worst impact if we hadn't had lockdowns due to strain put on healththcare system by covid.

The link I have given you is about the excess deaths and the excess non Covid deaths.

The author is trying very hard to give every other cause other than the lockdowns that were very damaging as it seems. But the numbers speak for themselves. You are likely to have in the UK comparable number of deaths due to the wrong response and the restrictions as deaths due to Covid.

Currently it is 217K deaths due to Covid
And over 30K excess non Covid deaths due to the wrong measures you have taken.

Yes your own link doesn't support your claim.

The link gives the excess deaths.

The rest is rather easy to figure out.

The author is a bit biased as anyone would expect. He says they don't know what it is without even mentioning the various damaging restrictions.

Dr Ioannidis has said on various occasions that lockdowns were catastrophic.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Asmodeus3

I have made that point many times.

It is you that blames the vaccines.

Vaccines are part of the problem.

I have given a number of reasons for the number of excess deaths in various threads.


How many deaths due to the vaccines you had in the UK and how many people have been crippled because of the vaccines?

Scale up now to 5.5 billion people (at least) who have been vaccinated in the entire world.

Sorry is it vaccines or lockdowns that are the major cause of excess deaths? An approximate ratio would be fine.

They are part of the problem. How much they have contributed each it is something we will see in the future.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: MaxxAction
a reply to: ScepticScot

Ummm,

sorry to disagree, but the route we took to get here was littered with signs and warning about killing your gramma if you didn't get vaxxed and wear a mask.

They were successful in cajoling the majority of the populations of most modern countries to get vaccinated, stand 6 feet apart, and wear worthless masks everywhere, and they couldn't protect the elderly?

Come on now, you don't get to have it both ways. You can't say that the measures undertaken protected people and saved millions of lives, but those same measures if applied on a smaller scale wouldn't have protected old, frail, or at risk individuals.

Not to mention that forcing covid infected people into general population in nursing homes and LTCFs is very odd way to try to protect people in nursing homes and LTCFs.

The measures worked by slowing the spread of covid. There wasn't an option to selectively apply them.

The measures have failed and the success that you have argued is only your unsubstantiated claim and nothing else. As a result of these 'wonderful' lockdowns in your country of origin you are now getting a large number of excess non Covid deaths since July 2022

There are over 30,000 excess non Covid deaths from July 2022 until the 13th of January 2023


It is a catastrophy and there more to come as it seems.

While making an unsubstantiated claim that they have failed

The excess deaths is a fact. And of course you are trying to deny it. But it is a fact.

Lockdowns most likely contributed to the excess deaths regardless of your denialism.

www.newscientist.com...

There are thousands more UK deaths than usual and we don’t know why

The data suggest that it is very likely that something substantial is happening,” says Michael Murphy at the London School of Economics

Something else is happening obviously and it's not climate change or the Republicans in the US

Did you read your link?

It doesn't support your claim at all.

That's false. The link as well as many other sources explicitly saying about excess non Covid deaths. Your SkyNews has put it around 994 per week from July 2022 until the end of December.

Very first paragraph in you link.

Since April, there have been 22,500 more deaths than expected in the UK. Health experts are concerned but unsure of the causes – which could include covid-19, population ageing and NHS problems

So not whole or even mainly caused by lockdowns.

You need to read more as the majority of deaths are non Covid deaths. And there are many more until the second week of January. They have been analysed in various threads that discuss excess deaths.

Lockdowns have contributed massively.

The author is trying hard to include all other factors but unfortunately something else is going on.

Yes there are excess deaths.

Yes lockdowns are probably a contributing factor

No you can't just ignore all the other factors covered in your own link.

Lockdowns is a massive factor as it is the one that causes the delays in the first place. Lockdowns and delays are entangled in this case.

Your own link doesn't support that assertion.

Lockdowns certainly will have contributed however that is at due to the pish poor planning of the government to deal with the post lockdown health care needs.

It also ignites all the other factors, including those raised in your own link.

It also ignores that we have could have similar or worst impact if we hadn't had lockdowns due to strain put on healththcare system by covid.

The link I have given you is about the excess deaths and the excess non Covid deaths.

The author is trying very hard to give every other cause other than the lockdowns that were very damaging as it seems. But the numbers speak for themselves. You are likely to have in the UK comparable number of deaths due to the wrong response and the restrictions as deaths due to Covid.

Currently it is 217K deaths due to Covid
And over 30K excess non Covid deaths due to the wrong measures you have taken.

Yes your own link doesn't support your claim.

The link gives the excess deaths.

The rest is rather easy to figure out.

The author is a bit biased as anyone would expect. He says they don't know what it is without even mentioning the various damaging restrictions.

Dr Ioannidis has said on various occasions that lockdowns were catastrophic.

Your link does mention lockdowns.

Thanks for confirming you haven't read it

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: MaxxAction
a reply to: ScepticScot

Ummm,

sorry to disagree, but the route we took to get here was littered with signs and warning about killing your gramma if you didn't get vaxxed and wear a mask.

They were successful in cajoling the majority of the populations of most modern countries to get vaccinated, stand 6 feet apart, and wear worthless masks everywhere, and they couldn't protect the elderly?

Come on now, you don't get to have it both ways. You can't say that the measures undertaken protected people and saved millions of lives, but those same measures if applied on a smaller scale wouldn't have protected old, frail, or at risk individuals.

Not to mention that forcing covid infected people into general population in nursing homes and LTCFs is very odd way to try to protect people in nursing homes and LTCFs.

The measures worked by slowing the spread of covid. There wasn't an option to selectively apply them.

The measures have failed and the success that you have argued is only your unsubstantiated claim and nothing else. As a result of these 'wonderful' lockdowns in your country of origin you are now getting a large number of excess non Covid deaths since July 2022

There are over 30,000 excess non Covid deaths from July 2022 until the 13th of January 2023


It is a catastrophy and there more to come as it seems.

While making an unsubstantiated claim that they have failed

The excess deaths is a fact. And of course you are trying to deny it. But it is a fact.

Lockdowns most likely contributed to the excess deaths regardless of your denialism.

www.newscientist.com...

There are thousands more UK deaths than usual and we don’t know why

The data suggest that it is very likely that something substantial is happening,” says Michael Murphy at the London School of Economics

Something else is happening obviously and it's not climate change or the Republicans in the US

Did you read your link?

It doesn't support your claim at all.

That's false. The link as well as many other sources explicitly saying about excess non Covid deaths. Your SkyNews has put it around 994 per week from July 2022 until the end of December.

Very first paragraph in you link.

Since April, there have been 22,500 more deaths than expected in the UK. Health experts are concerned but unsure of the causes – which could include covid-19, population ageing and NHS problems

So not whole or even mainly caused by lockdowns.

You need to read more as the majority of deaths are non Covid deaths. And there are many more until the second week of January. They have been analysed in various threads that discuss excess deaths.

Lockdowns have contributed massively.

The author is trying hard to include all other factors but unfortunately something else is going on.

Yes there are excess deaths.

Yes lockdowns are probably a contributing factor

No you can't just ignore all the other factors covered in your own link.

Lockdowns is a massive factor as it is the one that causes the delays in the first place. Lockdowns and delays are entangled in this case.

Your own link doesn't support that assertion.

Lockdowns certainly will have contributed however that is at due to the pish poor planning of the government to deal with the post lockdown health care needs.

It also ignites all the other factors, including those raised in your own link.

It also ignores that we have could have similar or worst impact if we hadn't had lockdowns due to strain put on healththcare system by covid.

The link I have given you is about the excess deaths and the excess non Covid deaths.

The author is trying very hard to give every other cause other than the lockdowns that were very damaging as it seems. But the numbers speak for themselves. You are likely to have in the UK comparable number of deaths due to the wrong response and the restrictions as deaths due to Covid.

Currently it is 217K deaths due to Covid
And over 30K excess non Covid deaths due to the wrong measures you have taken.

Yes your own link doesn't support your claim.

The link gives the excess deaths.

The rest is rather easy to figure out.

The author is a bit biased as anyone would expect. He says they don't know what it is without even mentioning the various damaging restrictions.

Dr Ioannidis has said on various occasions that lockdowns were catastrophic.

Your link does mention lockdowns.

Thanks for confirming you haven't read it

It does mentioned it further down but that is not what the author says. Even when lockdowns are mentioned they are not quite sure whether they have caused these excess deaths. It is Andrian Boyle who is interviewed and mentioned them briefly.

It is you who haven't read it as it seems.

a reply to: ScepticScot

www.medrxiv.org...

At a global level, pre-vaccination IFR may have been as low as 0.03% and 0.07% for 0-59 and 0-69 year old people, respectively.

*These IFR estimates in non-elderly populations are lower than previous calculations had suggested

Regardless of the attempts made to inflate the numbers for political and ideological reasons.

a reply to: ScepticScot

www.abovetopsecret.com...

More good news covered on the other thread I have made.

The UK is to end vaccinations for the under 50s.
I think they are becoming realistic after the pharmaceuticals hijacked the vaccination campaign back in 2020

Do you have any idea how many people have died in your country as a result of these vaccines?

If you do then scale up to 5.5+ billion people who have been vaccinated globally. You will get a staggering figure.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
a reply to: ScepticScot

www.medrxiv.org...

At a global level, pre-vaccination IFR may have been as low as 0.03% and 0.07% for 0-59 and 0-69 year old people, respectively.

*These IFR estimates in non-elderly populations are lower than previous calculations had suggested

Regardless of the attempts made to inflate the numbers for political and ideological reasons.

Also thanks for showing , again ,you can have more than one IFR.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
a reply to: ScepticScot

www.medrxiv.org...

At a global level, pre-vaccination IFR may have been as low as 0.03% and 0.07% for 0-59 and 0-69 year old people, respectively.

*These IFR estimates in non-elderly populations are lower than previous calculations had suggested

Regardless of the attempts made to inflate the numbers for political and ideological reasons.

Also thanks for showing , again ,you can have more than one IFR.

Per age group. Yes you are allowed to make these calculations to see how deadly the disease is in various age groups. But when you describe the disease you give one figure. The global average infection fatality rate.

You don't politicalize the issue and you don't engage in vaccine apologetics and defending of the pharmaceuticals or advocate for lockdowns.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
a reply to: ScepticScot

www.abovetopsecret.com...

More good news covered on the other thread I have made.

The UK is to end vaccinations for the under 50s.
I think they are becoming realistic after the pharmaceuticals hijacked the vaccination campaign back in 2020

Do you have any idea how many people have died in your country as a result of these vaccines?

If you do then scale up to 5.5+ billion people who have been vaccinated globally. You will get a staggering figure.

Up to the end of last year about 60 recorded. Which works about 0.0001% of vaccinated population.

IFR for covid itself was close 10,000 times that in the UK Pre vaccination.

I would say it's a fairly clear net benefit.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
a reply to: ScepticScot

www.medrxiv.org...

At a global level, pre-vaccination IFR may have been as low as 0.03% and 0.07% for 0-59 and 0-69 year old people, respectively.

*These IFR estimates in non-elderly populations are lower than previous calculations had suggested

Regardless of the attempts made to inflate the numbers for political and ideological reasons.

Also thanks for showing , again ,you can have more than one IFR.

Per age group. Yes you are allowed to make these calculations to see how deadly the disease is in various age groups. But when you describe the disease you give one figure. The global average infection fatality rate.

You don't politicalize the issue and you don't engage in vaccine apologetics and defending of the pharmaceuticals or advocate for lockdowns.

You are allowed?

Can you link to the rule book that defines what demographic splits you are allowed to do please.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
a reply to: ScepticScot

www.abovetopsecret.com...

More good news covered on the other thread I have made.

The UK is to end vaccinations for the under 50s.
I think they are becoming realistic after the pharmaceuticals hijacked the vaccination campaign back in 2020

Do you have any idea how many people have died in your country as a result of these vaccines?

If you do then scale up to 5.5+ billion people who have been vaccinated globally. You will get a staggering figure.

Up to the end of last year about 60 recorded. Which works about 0.0001% of vaccinated population.

IFR for covid itself was close 10,000 times that in the UK Pre vaccination.

I would say it's a fairly clear net benefit.

More than that I am afraid. More deaths than you portray here. Stop the vaccine apologetics please.