What is the infection fatality rate (IFR) of Covid 19 now?

a reply to: Asmodeus3

No, that is not an answer to what you claimed.

I asked you to show where anyone compared COVID to Spanish Flu, like you claimed.

Stop twisting and squirming.

Simple question.

No answer yet.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: MaxxAction
a reply to: ScepticScot

Ummm,

sorry to disagree, but the route we took to get here was littered with signs and warning about killing your gramma if you didn't get vaxxed and wear a mask.

They were successful in cajoling the majority of the populations of most modern countries to get vaccinated, stand 6 feet apart, and wear worthless masks everywhere, and they couldn't protect the elderly?

Come on now, you don't get to have it both ways. You can't say that the measures undertaken protected people and saved millions of lives, but those same measures if applied on a smaller scale wouldn't have protected old, frail, or at risk individuals.

Not to mention that forcing covid infected people into general population in nursing homes and LTCFs is very odd way to try to protect people in nursing homes and LTCFs.

The measures worked by slowing the spread of covid. There wasn't an option to selectively apply them.

The measures have failed and the success that you have argued is only your unsubstantiated claim and nothing else. As a result of these 'wonderful' lockdowns in your country of origin you are now getting a large number of excess non Covid deaths since July 2022

There are over 30,000 excess non Covid deaths from July 2022 until the 13th of January 2023


It is a catastrophy and there more to come as it seems.

While making an unsubstantiated claim that they have failed

The excess deaths is a fact. And of course you are trying to deny it. But it is a fact.

Lockdowns most likely contributed to the excess deaths regardless of your denialism.

www.newscientist.com...

There are thousands more UK deaths than usual and we don’t know why

The data suggest that it is very likely that something substantial is happening,” says Michael Murphy at the London School of Economics

Something else is happening obviously and it's not climate change or the Republicans in the US

a reply to: ScepticScot

No..

The measures did NOTHING to slow the spread. For gosh sakes next time you pull a mask out of the box, read the disclaimer on the end of it. It will read something like this:

This is an ear loop mask. This product it is not a respirator, and will not provide protection against Covid-19, (coronavirus,) or any other viruses or contaminants.

And yes it could have been just as easy to apply such measures selectively.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Asmodeus3

No, that is not an answer to what you claimed.

I asked you to show where anyone compared COVID to Spanish Flu, like you claimed.

Stop twisting and squirming.

Simple question.

No answer yet.

My argument was always that the MSM presented Covid-19 as if it was the Spanish Flu.

Key words: 'As if'

I wonder if you can find a post of mine where I have explicitly said that the CNN for example or the BBC said Covid-19 was like the Spanish Flu. You won't find any.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

I have already said that lockdowns and hence delayed diagnosis was a factor in excess deaths.

You called that "vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality" etc.

Try and keep your story straight?!!!!!

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: MaxxAction
a reply to: ScepticScot

Ummm,

sorry to disagree, but the route we took to get here was littered with signs and warning about killing your gramma if you didn't get vaxxed and wear a mask.

They were successful in cajoling the majority of the populations of most modern countries to get vaccinated, stand 6 feet apart, and wear worthless masks everywhere, and they couldn't protect the elderly?

Come on now, you don't get to have it both ways. You can't say that the measures undertaken protected people and saved millions of lives, but those same measures if applied on a smaller scale wouldn't have protected old, frail, or at risk individuals.

Not to mention that forcing covid infected people into general population in nursing homes and LTCFs is very odd way to try to protect people in nursing homes and LTCFs.

The measures worked by slowing the spread of covid. There wasn't an option to selectively apply them.

The measures have failed and the success that you have argued is only your unsubstantiated claim and nothing else. As a result of these 'wonderful' lockdowns in your country of origin you are now getting a large number of excess non Covid deaths since July 2022

There are over 30,000 excess non Covid deaths from July 2022 until the 13th of January 2023


It is a catastrophy and there more to come as it seems.

While making an unsubstantiated claim that they have failed

The excess deaths is a fact. And of course you are trying to deny it. But it is a fact.

Lockdowns most likely contributed to the excess deaths regardless of your denialism.

www.newscientist.com...

There are thousands more UK deaths than usual and we don’t know why

The data suggest that it is very likely that something substantial is happening,” says Michael Murphy at the London School of Economics

Something else is happening obviously and it's not climate change or the Republicans in the US

Did you read your link?

It doesn't support your claim at all.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

Jeez....move those goalposts!!!!!!!

You said about "straw man" arguments?

That is a huge one!!!!!!!

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Asmodeus3

I have already said that lockdowns and hence delayed diagnosis was a factor in excess deaths.

You called that "vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality" etc.

Try and keep your story straight?!!!!!

Good.

The other member seems to think that it's not the case.

It looks like in the UK you will unfortunately have many more because of these measures.

Lockdowns
Delays in getting treatment
Lack of good primary care

And.... Complete the sentence please

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: MaxxAction
a reply to: ScepticScot

Ummm,

sorry to disagree, but the route we took to get here was littered with signs and warning about killing your gramma if you didn't get vaxxed and wear a mask.

They were successful in cajoling the majority of the populations of most modern countries to get vaccinated, stand 6 feet apart, and wear worthless masks everywhere, and they couldn't protect the elderly?

Come on now, you don't get to have it both ways. You can't say that the measures undertaken protected people and saved millions of lives, but those same measures if applied on a smaller scale wouldn't have protected old, frail, or at risk individuals.

Not to mention that forcing covid infected people into general population in nursing homes and LTCFs is very odd way to try to protect people in nursing homes and LTCFs.

The measures worked by slowing the spread of covid. There wasn't an option to selectively apply them.

The measures have failed and the success that you have argued is only your unsubstantiated claim and nothing else. As a result of these 'wonderful' lockdowns in your country of origin you are now getting a large number of excess non Covid deaths since July 2022

There are over 30,000 excess non Covid deaths from July 2022 until the 13th of January 2023


It is a catastrophy and there more to come as it seems.

While making an unsubstantiated claim that they have failed

The excess deaths is a fact. And of course you are trying to deny it. But it is a fact.

Lockdowns most likely contributed to the excess deaths regardless of your denialism.

www.newscientist.com...

There are thousands more UK deaths than usual and we don’t know why

The data suggest that it is very likely that something substantial is happening,” says Michael Murphy at the London School of Economics

Something else is happening obviously and it's not climate change or the Republicans in the US

Did you read your link?

It doesn't support your claim at all.

That's false. The link as well as many other sources explicitly saying about excess non Covid deaths. Your SkyNews has put it around 994 per week from July 2022 until the end of December.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: MaxxAction
a reply to: ScepticScot

Ummm,

sorry to disagree, but the route we took to get here was littered with signs and warning about killing your gramma if you didn't get vaxxed and wear a mask.

They were successful in cajoling the majority of the populations of most modern countries to get vaccinated, stand 6 feet apart, and wear worthless masks everywhere, and they couldn't protect the elderly?

Come on now, you don't get to have it both ways. You can't say that the measures undertaken protected people and saved millions of lives, but those same measures if applied on a smaller scale wouldn't have protected old, frail, or at risk individuals.

Not to mention that forcing covid infected people into general population in nursing homes and LTCFs is very odd way to try to protect people in nursing homes and LTCFs.

The measures worked by slowing the spread of covid. There wasn't an option to selectively apply them.

The measures have failed and the success that you have argued is only your unsubstantiated claim and nothing else. As a result of these 'wonderful' lockdowns in your country of origin you are now getting a large number of excess non Covid deaths since July 2022

There are over 30,000 excess non Covid deaths from July 2022 until the 13th of January 2023


It is a catastrophy and there more to come as it seems.

While making an unsubstantiated claim that they have failed

The excess deaths is a fact. And of course you are trying to deny it. But it is a fact.

Lockdowns most likely contributed to the excess deaths regardless of your denialism.

www.newscientist.com...

There are thousands more UK deaths than usual and we don’t know why

The data suggest that it is very likely that something substantial is happening,” says Michael Murphy at the London School of Economics

Something else is happening obviously and it's not climate change or the Republicans in the US

Did you read your link?

It doesn't support your claim at all.

For once more: denialism doesn't help

a reply to: Asmodeus3

Those were my actual points.

Denialism of reality, or what?

I have posted those very reasons for excess deaths in the UK.

You lost the plot, or what, Prof?

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: MaxxAction
a reply to: ScepticScot

Ummm,

sorry to disagree, but the route we took to get here was littered with signs and warning about killing your gramma if you didn't get vaxxed and wear a mask.

They were successful in cajoling the majority of the populations of most modern countries to get vaccinated, stand 6 feet apart, and wear worthless masks everywhere, and they couldn't protect the elderly?

Come on now, you don't get to have it both ways. You can't say that the measures undertaken protected people and saved millions of lives, but those same measures if applied on a smaller scale wouldn't have protected old, frail, or at risk individuals.

Not to mention that forcing covid infected people into general population in nursing homes and LTCFs is very odd way to try to protect people in nursing homes and LTCFs.

The measures worked by slowing the spread of covid. There wasn't an option to selectively apply them.

The measures have failed and the success that you have argued is only your unsubstantiated claim and nothing else. As a result of these 'wonderful' lockdowns in your country of origin you are now getting a large number of excess non Covid deaths since July 2022

There are over 30,000 excess non Covid deaths from July 2022 until the 13th of January 2023


It is a catastrophy and there more to come as it seems.

While making an unsubstantiated claim that they have failed

The excess deaths is a fact. And of course you are trying to deny it. But it is a fact.

Lockdowns most likely contributed to the excess deaths regardless of your denialism.

www.newscientist.com...

There are thousands more UK deaths than usual and we don’t know why

The data suggest that it is very likely that something substantial is happening,” says Michael Murphy at the London School of Economics

Something else is happening obviously and it's not climate change or the Republicans in the US

Did you read your link?

It doesn't support your claim at all.

For once more: denialism doesn't help

Just actually read the link you should try it.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: MaxxAction
a reply to: ScepticScot

Ummm,

sorry to disagree, but the route we took to get here was littered with signs and warning about killing your gramma if you didn't get vaxxed and wear a mask.

They were successful in cajoling the majority of the populations of most modern countries to get vaccinated, stand 6 feet apart, and wear worthless masks everywhere, and they couldn't protect the elderly?

Come on now, you don't get to have it both ways. You can't say that the measures undertaken protected people and saved millions of lives, but those same measures if applied on a smaller scale wouldn't have protected old, frail, or at risk individuals.

Not to mention that forcing covid infected people into general population in nursing homes and LTCFs is very odd way to try to protect people in nursing homes and LTCFs.

The measures worked by slowing the spread of covid. There wasn't an option to selectively apply them.

The measures have failed and the success that you have argued is only your unsubstantiated claim and nothing else. As a result of these 'wonderful' lockdowns in your country of origin you are now getting a large number of excess non Covid deaths since July 2022

There are over 30,000 excess non Covid deaths from July 2022 until the 13th of January 2023


It is a catastrophy and there more to come as it seems.

While making an unsubstantiated claim that they have failed

The excess deaths is a fact. And of course you are trying to deny it. But it is a fact.

Lockdowns most likely contributed to the excess deaths regardless of your denialism.

www.newscientist.com...

There are thousands more UK deaths than usual and we don’t know why

The data suggest that it is very likely that something substantial is happening,” says Michael Murphy at the London School of Economics

Something else is happening obviously and it's not climate change or the Republicans in the US

Did you read your link?

It doesn't support your claim at all.

That's false. The link as well as many other sources explicitly saying about excess non Covid deaths. Your SkyNews has put it around 994 per week from July 2022 until the end of December.

Very first paragraph in you link.

Since April, there have been 22,500 more deaths than expected in the UK. Health experts are concerned but unsure of the causes – which could include covid-19, population ageing and NHS problems

So not whole or even mainly caused by lockdowns.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Those were my actual points.

Denialism of reality, or what?

I have posted those very reasons for excess deaths in the UK.

You lost the plot, or what, Prof?

Where did you post these?
Because I have posted the reasons for the excess deaths in several threads. But on your list one is not there. So it is not the complete list.

Don't forget that the IFR of Covid-19 now is less than the IFR of the flu.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: MaxxAction
a reply to: ScepticScot

Ummm,

sorry to disagree, but the route we took to get here was littered with signs and warning about killing your gramma if you didn't get vaxxed and wear a mask.

They were successful in cajoling the majority of the populations of most modern countries to get vaccinated, stand 6 feet apart, and wear worthless masks everywhere, and they couldn't protect the elderly?

Come on now, you don't get to have it both ways. You can't say that the measures undertaken protected people and saved millions of lives, but those same measures if applied on a smaller scale wouldn't have protected old, frail, or at risk individuals.

Not to mention that forcing covid infected people into general population in nursing homes and LTCFs is very odd way to try to protect people in nursing homes and LTCFs.

The measures worked by slowing the spread of covid. There wasn't an option to selectively apply them.

The measures have failed and the success that you have argued is only your unsubstantiated claim and nothing else. As a result of these 'wonderful' lockdowns in your country of origin you are now getting a large number of excess non Covid deaths since July 2022

There are over 30,000 excess non Covid deaths from July 2022 until the 13th of January 2023


It is a catastrophy and there more to come as it seems.

While making an unsubstantiated claim that they have failed

The excess deaths is a fact. And of course you are trying to deny it. But it is a fact.

Lockdowns most likely contributed to the excess deaths regardless of your denialism.

www.newscientist.com...

There are thousands more UK deaths than usual and we don’t know why

The data suggest that it is very likely that something substantial is happening,” says Michael Murphy at the London School of Economics

Something else is happening obviously and it's not climate change or the Republicans in the US

Did you read your link?

It doesn't support your claim at all.

That's false. The link as well as many other sources explicitly saying about excess non Covid deaths. Your SkyNews has put it around 994 per week from July 2022 until the end of December.

Very first paragraph in you link.

Since April, there have been 22,500 more deaths than expected in the UK. Health experts are concerned but unsure of the causes – which could include covid-19, population ageing and NHS problems

So not whole or even mainly caused by lockdowns.

You need to read more as the majority of deaths are non Covid deaths. And there are many more until the second week of January. They have been analysed in various threads that discuss excess deaths.

Lockdowns have contributed massively.

The author is trying hard to include all other factors but unfortunately something else is going on.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

If you can't be bothered to post examples of folk comparing COVID to Spanish Flu, why should I bother?

My posting history is there for all to see, and you are fully aware of my posts to you about the knock on effects of lockdowns, missed diagnoses affect of COVID on our NHS etc.

Because I have pointed this out to you many times.

Deny that. Why don't you?

Oh. You did.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: MaxxAction
a reply to: ScepticScot

Ummm,

sorry to disagree, but the route we took to get here was littered with signs and warning about killing your gramma if you didn't get vaxxed and wear a mask.

They were successful in cajoling the majority of the populations of most modern countries to get vaccinated, stand 6 feet apart, and wear worthless masks everywhere, and they couldn't protect the elderly?

Come on now, you don't get to have it both ways. You can't say that the measures undertaken protected people and saved millions of lives, but those same measures if applied on a smaller scale wouldn't have protected old, frail, or at risk individuals.

Not to mention that forcing covid infected people into general population in nursing homes and LTCFs is very odd way to try to protect people in nursing homes and LTCFs.

The measures worked by slowing the spread of covid. There wasn't an option to selectively apply them.

The measures have failed and the success that you have argued is only your unsubstantiated claim and nothing else. As a result of these 'wonderful' lockdowns in your country of origin you are now getting a large number of excess non Covid deaths since July 2022

There are over 30,000 excess non Covid deaths from July 2022 until the 13th of January 2023


It is a catastrophy and there more to come as it seems.

While making an unsubstantiated claim that they have failed

The excess deaths is a fact. And of course you are trying to deny it. But it is a fact.

Lockdowns most likely contributed to the excess deaths regardless of your denialism.

www.newscientist.com...

There are thousands more UK deaths than usual and we don’t know why

The data suggest that it is very likely that something substantial is happening,” says Michael Murphy at the London School of Economics

Something else is happening obviously and it's not climate change or the Republicans in the US

Did you read your link?

It doesn't support your claim at all.

That's false. The link as well as many other sources explicitly saying about excess non Covid deaths. Your SkyNews has put it around 994 per week from July 2022 until the end of December.

Very first paragraph in you link.

Since April, there have been 22,500 more deaths than expected in the UK. Health experts are concerned but unsure of the causes – which could include covid-19, population ageing and NHS problems

So not whole or even mainly caused by lockdowns.

You need to read more as the majority of deaths are non Covid deaths. And there are many more until the second week of January. They have been analysed in various threads that discuss excess deaths.

Lockdowns have contributed massively.

The author is trying hard to include all other factors but unfortunately something else is going on.

Yes there are excess deaths.

Yes lockdowns are probably a contributing factor

No you can't just ignore all the other factors covered in your own link.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: MaxxAction
a reply to: ScepticScot

Ummm,

sorry to disagree, but the route we took to get here was littered with signs and warning about killing your gramma if you didn't get vaxxed and wear a mask.

They were successful in cajoling the majority of the populations of most modern countries to get vaccinated, stand 6 feet apart, and wear worthless masks everywhere, and they couldn't protect the elderly?

Come on now, you don't get to have it both ways. You can't say that the measures undertaken protected people and saved millions of lives, but those same measures if applied on a smaller scale wouldn't have protected old, frail, or at risk individuals.

Not to mention that forcing covid infected people into general population in nursing homes and LTCFs is very odd way to try to protect people in nursing homes and LTCFs.

The measures worked by slowing the spread of covid. There wasn't an option to selectively apply them.

The measures have failed and the success that you have argued is only your unsubstantiated claim and nothing else. As a result of these 'wonderful' lockdowns in your country of origin you are now getting a large number of excess non Covid deaths since July 2022

There are over 30,000 excess non Covid deaths from July 2022 until the 13th of January 2023


It is a catastrophy and there more to come as it seems.

While making an unsubstantiated claim that they have failed

The excess deaths is a fact. And of course you are trying to deny it. But it is a fact.

Lockdowns most likely contributed to the excess deaths regardless of your denialism.

www.newscientist.com...

There are thousands more UK deaths than usual and we don’t know why

The data suggest that it is very likely that something substantial is happening,” says Michael Murphy at the London School of Economics

Something else is happening obviously and it's not climate change or the Republicans in the US

Did you read your link?

It doesn't support your claim at all.

That's false. The link as well as many other sources explicitly saying about excess non Covid deaths. Your SkyNews has put it around 994 per week from July 2022 until the end of December.

Very first paragraph in you link.

Since April, there have been 22,500 more deaths than expected in the UK. Health experts are concerned but unsure of the causes – which could include covid-19, population ageing and NHS problems

So not whole or even mainly caused by lockdowns.

Remember that the infection fatality rates for Covid now is very low. Probably lower than that of the flu.

From your own ONS data:

The number of deaths registered in the UK in the week ending 13 January 2023 (Week 2) was 19,916, which was 20.4% above the five-year average (3,377 excess deaths); of these deaths, 1,059 involved COVID-19.

3,377 excess deaths in the week ending 13th January 2023

1,059 involved Covid (a little ambiguous as there is a difference between died due to Covid and with Covid)

Let's say all are Covid deaths

Then the excess non Covid deaths are

3,377 - 1,059 = 2,318 in just one week.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: MaxxAction
a reply to: ScepticScot

Ummm,

sorry to disagree, but the route we took to get here was littered with signs and warning about killing your gramma if you didn't get vaxxed and wear a mask.

They were successful in cajoling the majority of the populations of most modern countries to get vaccinated, stand 6 feet apart, and wear worthless masks everywhere, and they couldn't protect the elderly?

Come on now, you don't get to have it both ways. You can't say that the measures undertaken protected people and saved millions of lives, but those same measures if applied on a smaller scale wouldn't have protected old, frail, or at risk individuals.

Not to mention that forcing covid infected people into general population in nursing homes and LTCFs is very odd way to try to protect people in nursing homes and LTCFs.

The measures worked by slowing the spread of covid. There wasn't an option to selectively apply them.

The measures have failed and the success that you have argued is only your unsubstantiated claim and nothing else. As a result of these 'wonderful' lockdowns in your country of origin you are now getting a large number of excess non Covid deaths since July 2022

There are over 30,000 excess non Covid deaths from July 2022 until the 13th of January 2023


It is a catastrophy and there more to come as it seems.

While making an unsubstantiated claim that they have failed

The excess deaths is a fact. And of course you are trying to deny it. But it is a fact.

Lockdowns most likely contributed to the excess deaths regardless of your denialism.

www.newscientist.com...

There are thousands more UK deaths than usual and we don’t know why

The data suggest that it is very likely that something substantial is happening,” says Michael Murphy at the London School of Economics

Something else is happening obviously and it's not climate change or the Republicans in the US

Did you read your link?

It doesn't support your claim at all.

That's false. The link as well as many other sources explicitly saying about excess non Covid deaths. Your SkyNews has put it around 994 per week from July 2022 until the end of December.

Very first paragraph in you link.

Since April, there have been 22,500 more deaths than expected in the UK. Health experts are concerned but unsure of the causes – which could include covid-19, population ageing and NHS problems

So not whole or even mainly caused by lockdowns.

Remember that the infection fatality rates for Covid now is very low. Probably lower than that of the flu.

From your own ONS data:

The number of deaths registered in the UK in the week ending 13 January 2023 (Week 2) was 19,916, which was 20.4% above the five-year average (3,377 excess deaths); of these deaths, 1,059 involved COVID-19.

3,377 excess deaths in the week ending 13th January 2023

1,059 involved Covid (a little ambiguous as there is a difference between died due to Covid and with Covid)

Let's say all are Covid deaths

Then the excess non Covid deaths are

3,377 - 1,059 = 2,318 in just one week.

And? Who is disputing that there are excess deaths?

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: MaxxAction
a reply to: ScepticScot

Ummm,

sorry to disagree, but the route we took to get here was littered with signs and warning about killing your gramma if you didn't get vaxxed and wear a mask.

They were successful in cajoling the majority of the populations of most modern countries to get vaccinated, stand 6 feet apart, and wear worthless masks everywhere, and they couldn't protect the elderly?

Come on now, you don't get to have it both ways. You can't say that the measures undertaken protected people and saved millions of lives, but those same measures if applied on a smaller scale wouldn't have protected old, frail, or at risk individuals.

Not to mention that forcing covid infected people into general population in nursing homes and LTCFs is very odd way to try to protect people in nursing homes and LTCFs.

The measures worked by slowing the spread of covid. There wasn't an option to selectively apply them.

The measures have failed and the success that you have argued is only your unsubstantiated claim and nothing else. As a result of these 'wonderful' lockdowns in your country of origin you are now getting a large number of excess non Covid deaths since July 2022

There are over 30,000 excess non Covid deaths from July 2022 until the 13th of January 2023


It is a catastrophy and there more to come as it seems.

While making an unsubstantiated claim that they have failed

The excess deaths is a fact. And of course you are trying to deny it. But it is a fact.

Lockdowns most likely contributed to the excess deaths regardless of your denialism.

www.newscientist.com...

There are thousands more UK deaths than usual and we don’t know why

The data suggest that it is very likely that something substantial is happening,” says Michael Murphy at the London School of Economics

Something else is happening obviously and it's not climate change or the Republicans in the US

Did you read your link?

It doesn't support your claim at all.

That's false. The link as well as many other sources explicitly saying about excess non Covid deaths. Your SkyNews has put it around 994 per week from July 2022 until the end of December.

Very first paragraph in you link.

Since April, there have been 22,500 more deaths than expected in the UK. Health experts are concerned but unsure of the causes – which could include covid-19, population ageing and NHS problems

So not whole or even mainly caused by lockdowns.

You need to read more as the majority of deaths are non Covid deaths. And there are many more until the second week of January. They have been analysed in various threads that discuss excess deaths.

Lockdowns have contributed massively.

The author is trying hard to include all other factors but unfortunately something else is going on.

Yes there are excess deaths.

Yes lockdowns are probably a contributing factor

No you can't just ignore all the other factors covered in your own link.

Lockdowns is a massive factor as it is the one that causes the delays in the first place. Lockdowns and delays are entangled in this case.