Well, seems we're now at war with Russia....

Russia will level all of ukraine if this # continues. They should surrender and stop this crazyness Ukraine are the one that started it and Russia responded to the threat.

a reply to: Joneselius

UK is part of NATO Joneselius, and NATO are supporting Ukraine.

I don't think a shipment of cups and spoons will help much, Apache gunships on the other hand can and will make a hell of a mess.

Im acting pragmatically the same as NATO seems to be.......Russia on the other hand. LoL

Again I'm off to bed through it's 2am and im smashed somewhat.

a reply to: Joneselius

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a reply to: Joneselius


So in your mind what is the end game here? The world just sits on its hands while Putin takes over a sovereign country by force. You don't think he'd then take over more land, acre by acre? Should NATO let that happen unopposed?

Do you actually believe the Russian propaganda you read online, even while knowing from history that It's SOP for Russia to spread lies to cover its bad acts?

I'm opposed to this war also, but I'm reasonable. Russia needs to stand down. Russia is the aggressor. That is the fact that actually matters here. Russia is the aggressor.

aggressor
ə-grĕs′ər
noun

One that engages in aggression.

The person who first attacks; one who begins hostilities or makes encroachment; an assailant or invader.

The person who first attacks or makes an aggression; he who begins hostility or a quarrel; an assailant.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Joneselius

UK is part of NATO Joneselius, and NATO are supporting Ukraine.

I don't think a shipment of cups and spoons will help much, Apache gunships on the other hand can and will make a hell of a mess.

Im acting pragmatically the same as NATO seems to be.......Russia on the other hand. LoL

Again I'm off to bed through it's 2am and im smashed somewhat.

Those helos won't do # you like to see Ukraine level to the ground well continue your war mongering bs. Russia doesn't quit Russia doesn't capitulate they are in full war mode you should be affraid of what they will do in the long run.

a reply to: NavyNut

Yada yada yada. LoL

Zzzzzz Zzzzz Zzzzzz.



Ile play with you tomorrow.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

He won't just lose face. He would disgrace Russia entirely.

There is absolutely no way for Russia to lose this conflict without the ever loving NATO placing a nuke RIGHT on his front lawn.
Zelensky is not interested in peace at all, his ranks are still infiltrated by like the likes of the Azov. But we're all expected to ignore this. We have to excuse his crimes and his brutality. He's the 'victim' remember....

Well, hurt people, hurt people......

Zelensky absolutely 100% tried to start a nuclear conflict - I'll never forgive him for that, he does NOT value human life. He is persecuting Christians and his own people. He is fraudulently funneling money to cronies and himself. How is he ANY different to the oligarchs he claims to hate?

We have to stop the cycle of perpetuating evil. Full stop, de-escalation should be the absolute priority but the west smells Russian blood, and we're willing to offer on the alter of western dominance all the Ukrainian bodies we can find!

a reply to: NavyNut

You do know that NATO, or the US working alone, could level Russia with no problem. It would be a nuclear horror story but Russia is an ant under the Western Worlds' boot in reality.

a reply to: Joneselius

Russia cannot exist in a world designed around western hegemony. Nor can China or Iran...... That's a different topic though, isn't it. Internationalists wanted this war, that's why it's happening. The interntaionalists will win too, like they always do, because they have people, like yourself, rooting for the wrong side again...

It’s weird to see the people who were anti china and Iran suddenly saying that anyone against them is on the wrong side.

Iran is kind of a non issue, china, not so much.

Yea, I’ll take the west over all of them though.

a reply to: Joneselius

We have to stop the cycle of perpetuating evil. Full stop, de-escalation should be the absolute priority but the west smells Russian blood, and we're willing to offer on the alter of western dominance all the Ukrainian bodies we can find!

I agree with most of that, but why are you blind to the fact Russia attacked a sovereign neighboring country to take it over? Being anti-war is great in my mind, but being blind to who the instigating aggressor was is a bit ...

a reply to: Blaine91555

Where have I said that Russia is right in what it's doing!? Nowhere.


I think the solution is de-escalation, something Russia WAS willing to do, until the UK again torpedoed the idea! Or are we going to pretend that didn't happen as well now.....

You know, as well as i do that the current state of affairs either means a nuclear confrontation with Russia, being beaten back by a fully westernised military campaign, or the absolute and total devastation of the Ukraine. Why are you discounting both.....

Russia is absolutely wrong for invading the Ukraine, but we're making it exponentially worse!

Or, are we just moving the furniture until someone has the gall to drop a nuke?

a reply to: Blaine91555

I know but they won't and Russia has what 10k nukes they can level the whole world if they want to you think they don't know that. Russia is now in war mode considering this they will develop new weapons to take away there enemies if you go to war against them then you have the whole BRIC to take care of you can't invade them but that's what the idiots in the US wants to do via a proxy war using others blood to do there bidding.
Ukrain should surrender its all bs anyways.

Of course this is being treated as an act of God himself in the UK media

10 years and more ago the media wouls have condemned this act .
What changed ?
They were all about Ukrainian Nazis persecuting Russians that lived and worked in the Ukraine .

originally posted by: NavyNut
Russia will level all of ukraine if this # continues. They should surrender and stop this crazyness Ukraine are the one that started it and Russia responded to the threat.

Whatever your smoking you should pass next time, how in the heck did Ukraine provoke the war?

(if that was satire apologies)

a reply to: CriticalStinker

Ideologically, me too. But we're not dealing with nationalists are we. We're oppressed by an internationalist cult, hellbent on their utopian worldview of survellience and subservience.

They can't control China and Iran, that's why they want them destroyed. Though there are now elements in China that align with their principles so a deal could be struck.

a reply to: Gothmog

10 years and more ago the media wouls have condemned this act .

I don’t think so, media has typically been pro war.

Iraq they may have been a little skeptical and rightfully so.

But right now the country with the largest land mass decided they want more. We’ve seen that before and it usually doesn’t stop, especially with a nation that has a (upcoming) population crisis.

The UK and US also signed a quasi treaty with Ukraine to protect their sovereignty should it come under threat so long as they forfeited their nukes.

We’re not directly fighting for them, but we’re supporting them with arms and intelligence which is preferable to boots on the ground.

a reply to: NavyNut

Al Jazeera

Roughly 1500 deployed 2800 in reserve rest retired.

Figure in mechanical failure in the process, since those things take a great deal of maintenance to stay effective, maybe 5-600 successfully launch and find their target. (my wag based off the obvious terrible maintenance of normal platforms)

Either way nowhere near 10k nukes.

ETA: Ukraine should surrender if Ukraine decides to, nobody else has the right to tell them to, since they are fighting a defensive war.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: NavyNut

Al Jazeera

Roughly 1500 deployed 2800 in reserve rest retired.

Figure in mechanical failure in the process, since those things take a great deal of maintenance to stay effective, maybe 5-600 successfully launch and find their target. (my wag based off the obvious terrible maintenance of normal platforms)

Either way nowhere near 10k nukes.

ETA: Ukraine should surrender if Ukraine decides to, nobody else has the right to tell them to, since they are fighting a defensive war.

You must be a west propaganda type of guy lol they have the 10k nukes trust me you can even google it. Good luck with that......Ukraine is just following the west leadership look up some town in Ukraine and see how great this war looks for you and how many are dead for no other reason than the west empire. Good luck fighting Russia.

After googling it they have 6k nukes but two year ago strange enough google said they had 9k I believe the non propaganda thank-you.

It all boils down to this simple point.

This is now an existential conflict. Russia cannot lose as they've framed this as a defensive war, in which - to them - they're fighting NATO expansion and western supremacy.

The Ukraine cannot lose because, of they do, even with the financial backing of the west, the western allies will be exposed to so much debt, their financial systems will collapse. We though our sanctions would cripple Russia, and in the UK, they made life 100% harder!

We stand to lose everything, including our markets, Russia also stands to lose everything.

5 years ago, if I said to you "Ukraine will be striking bases in Russia with NATO backed military equipment" you'd think WW3.....

We ARE in WW3. No one seems to have caught on yet......

It's a war of equipment attrition.
Russia has lost a lot of equipment that at one time could have been used against NATO.
And NATO is using Ukraine as a testing site for their weapons systems.

Many weapons we sent to Ukraine had a shelf life that was running out or a newer version coming online.

It's also a training ground for NATO officers who are learning how to fight the Russians by proxy.