6 year old shoots his teacher

a reply to: TDDAgain

Its quite literally is an all or nothing proposal here in the states.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

originally posted by: Lysergic
I need more guns, so I can protect myself from the six year olds of the world.

Your justification is appreciated but not required.

a reply to: JinMI

And this is the problem. You don't have to explain that to me. I am educated about the historical reasons in the US. Not once I advocated for gun control, yet you brought it up now in your answer as if it's my opinion or something I said.

Even saying violence is glorified is understood as some hidden clue that the one saying it, is against guns or wants to take them away.

a reply to: JinMI

Guns arent going anywhere.

I know, I'm under no illusions, I'm not even suggesting it. Our govt is trying to remove what little rights we still have, and what we had was ok, before the last 2 years.

So, education and training should be paramount. K-12

100%

originally posted by: jerryznv
How old do you have to be to buy an Xbox, or PlayStation (any such video game consoles)?

Just curious seeing as they are so violent and cause such bad things...there has to be an age limit!

Are there laws to prohibit these children from access to such violence (if not can we get some passed)?

How about a background check before we sell these things (video game consoles), in case the buyer is a drug addict, violent offender, mentally unstable, or a criminal?

Maybe these types of violent crimes can be stopped!

Making a bunch of unenforceable laws only makes more criminals.

Laws alone have never stopped crimes from being committed. When a society is broken, when it has little to no morals or ethics, and when respect for self has been eliminated, things go South.

Even in the wild, wild, west, they had creeds and codes of honor. We have become lost, not because of video games, guns, or mental impairments. We have lost sight of what is valuable. We allow ourselves to be defined, manipulated, and controlled by a society that is built on fantasy, where we move from one viral tend to the next. We have abandoned our souls and the ability for independent critical thinking.

Some of us have just been turned over to our reprobate minds. We know how we think everyone else is to think and do, yet we neglect to expend the effort to do what we should do.

Just my opinion.

originally posted by: TDDAgain
a reply to: JinMI

And this is the problem. You don't have to explain that to me. I am educated about the historical reasons in the US. Not once I advocated for gun control, yet you brought it up now in your answer as if it's my opinion or something I said.

Even saying violence is glorified is understood as some hidden clue that the one saying it, is against guns or wants to take them away.

Then why are you trying to stick the all or nothing paradigm in?

My entire point is that the more people pretend guns dont exist or are going away is problematic.

Education and training. K-12. Embrace what we are as a nation.

Ive not allegedged that you are or are advocating for anything.

originally posted by: nolabel
a reply to: AOx6179
I've spent the last 15 minutes trying to post this.

The BIG question is "How the hell did a six year old kid get hold of a gun and then walk into school with it?"

The next question is "How f**king negligent are the kids parents to allow a loaded gun to be within easy reach of a child and not notice he went to school with it?"

Both of these were my questions as well. I'm remembering myself at 6, my hands and arms to tiny to wield even handguns effectively.

The parents are definitely responsible, and should be charged for criminal negligence.

a reply to: JinMI
No you didn't but in a conversation when you bring up something like that, be prepared to be corrected when you assumptions that you made, are untrue.

Then why are you trying to stick the all or nothing paradigm in?

I am not. Sure you can quote me where I did that, since you allege that.

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: JinMI

Guns arent going anywhere.

I know, I'm under no illusions, I'm not even suggesting it. Our govt is trying to remove what little rights we still have, and what we had was ok, before the last 2 years.

So, education and training should be paramount. K-12

100%

I edited, but removed, will just post my afterthought here.

I wanted to say, I still think it is part of the problem, it is what it is.

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn

originally posted by: jerryznv
How old do you have to be to buy an Xbox, or PlayStation (any such video game consoles)?

Just curious seeing as they are so violent and cause such bad things...there has to be an age limit!

Are there laws to prohibit these children from access to such violence (if not can we get some passed)?

How about a background check before we sell these things (video game consoles), in case the buyer is a drug addict, violent offender, mentally unstable, or a criminal?

Maybe these types of violent crimes can be stopped!

Making a bunch of unenforceable laws only makes more criminals.

Laws alone have never stopped crimes from being committed. When a society is broken, when it has little to no morals or ethics, and when respect for self has been eliminated, things go South.

Even in the wild, wild, west, they had creeds and codes of honor. We have become lost, not because of video games, guns, or mental impairments. We have lost sight of what is valuable. We allow ourselves to be defined, manipulated, and controlled by a society that is built on fantasy, where we move from one viral tend to the next. We have abandoned our souls and the ability for independent critical thinking.

Some of us have just been turned over to our reprobate minds. We know how we think everyone else is to think and do, yet we neglect to expend the effort to do what we should do.

Just my opinion.

First...my comment was probably was the most sarcastic thing I've said in all my years on ATS (although my memory sucks too so there could be worse)! I suppose you understood the sarcasm...many won't and I'll never hear the end of it!

I tend to agree with the entirety of your comments though...I think you are spot on actually!

a reply to: TDDAgain

What assumption exactly?

This topic is so heated and emotional for many, I feel I have to address this. Because it seems for many here it's just 1/0 black/white issue.

Does shall not be infringed leave room for grey?

a reply to: JinMI
Now you're dishonest and taking what I wrote out of context. The text you quoted was the explanation why I disclosed that owned guns and shot the active on the range. To signal you I am not a threat to your guns.

It's not me "trying to stick it in", it's already visible by your own behavior. You can reflect about that, or not.

a reply to: TDDAgain

Ive no clue what youre talking about.

I dont see you as a threat or anything. Infact simply asking for clarification to your words...which I quoted.

Youve called me wrong and dishonest. Well, back it up cupcake.

a reply to: AOx6179

There is always hope and there are services available though not always easy to find.

Hospitals, especially if they are busy, will not always be able to provide you with what you need. If you go to the hospital, ask for a Case Manager, if they do not automatically provide you with one.

Another good source is 211. That is the federal help line number here is Florida. Check to see if it is the same where you live.

www.fcc.gov...

-211-essential-community-services

Dial 211 for Essential Community Services | Federal Communications ... In many states, dialing "211" provides individuals and families in need with a shortcut through what can be a bewildering maze of health and human service agency phone numbers. By simply dialing 211, those in need of assistance can be referred, and sometimes connected, to appropriate agencies and community organizations.

a reply to: JinMI
And I clarified but didn't call you wrong either. I called you dishonest.

You're either that, what goes against the MO I know from you, or you are confused to the maximum.

But one thing is evident, your responses tell me you didn't read the rest of my posts here. I never even used the word "gun" before, until I told you I owned some in the past, to signal you it's not about the damn guns that is the issue here.

My point was violence and the glorification of it is partly responsible for this, as well as the parents. You decided to make it about guns and ignored everything else I wrote.

So I guess we can agree to disagree.

a reply to: TDDAgain

My point was violence and the glorification of it is partly responsible for this, as well as the parents. You decided to make it about guns and ignored everything else I wrote.

If it is, its not out of the norm is my position.

Yet, I quoted where youre talking about guns. Should I just ignore your posts instead of asking for clarification next time?

a reply to: JinMI

It's pointless because the only time I talked about guns was positive. Go figure.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn
Thank you, again NightSky. I was able to help myself and get what I was dealing with under control. I wasn't suicidal. I was severely overwhelmed and had learned something that knocked me down hard and wasn't able to handle it at first. I've learned, unfortunately, that I can no longer rely on the services provided, for almost everything. I'm on my own and it's up to me to take care of myself. I gave up hope in the system. And I've made peace with that.
My experience has guided me further in my own pursuit to help others, as best I can, where I can. So something good did come from that. I learned.

I'm starting to realize that as a society there may be no solutions to this madness. That this is in fact the way it's going to be. To the point that even our grade schoolers are killing people. I'll have to accept this, along with everything else. I do however have an ambition to be a part of helping in this particular area. This is about my most sensitive subject, and will find a way to be as much of a help with this subject as I can.
Thanks for looking out.

A six year old kid has to be innocent with regard to intent, they couldn't possibly know what a real firearm can do. As far as having weapons (even potential weapons) that could be considered attractive to kids, keep them secure, even things like lighters or sharp knives.

I know from experience that having an unloaded gun when you need a loaded one NOW doesn't work. However, as a kid when I lived with my parents, I knew that my father's loaded pistol on the gun rack in his bedroom was off limits. I'm not sure I have that kind of confidence in the current batch of kids around here or the personal lack of concern to do that in my home. I have my 12ga loaded (bird shot, buck shot, slug), but it is in the gun locker, not out in the open by the bed (where it should be).

Bottom line, don't leave anything dangerous up to chance where kids are concerned and above all be aware of what your kids are up to.

I remember back in the 70's and 80's (when both sides of an issue were covered on media) there was one side that wanted the FCC to relax its rules on language, nudity and violence, while the other did not.

There was research done where they measured a persons response after watching a moving of violence, blood and gore. The first viewing showed it to be very disturbing, but after each viewing the response decrease.

The researchers postulated that the more a person-especially young, developing brains, were exposed to violent behavior the less the response. Empathy suffers when you normalize this type of behavior, but the pros won.

I grew up playing cops and robbers, and WWII. We saw the shows on TV all the time-but none of them showed someone's guts falling out, people screaming while being tortured, women fighting as they're being violated in graphic detail. Noting is left to the imagination in movies or on television these days, and it shows in kids who grow up with the TV as their babysitter. Throw in TikTok garbage and we're creating a monster.