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originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: AOx6179
The culture both glorifies firearms, and makes them highly available.
There is no mystery here.
originally posted by: nolabel
a reply to: AOx6179
I've spent the last 15 minutes trying to post this.
The BIG question is "How the hell did a six year old kid get hold of a gun and then walk into school with it?"
The next question is "How f**king negligent are the kids parents to allow a loaded gun to be within easy reach of a child and not notice he went to school with it?"
Expect all the pro-gun lobby along very soon to say how responsible they are.
Can't wait to see their excuses for this. All the same crap they spout out after any shooting that attracts the general publics attention.
I expect to either get shot down in flames or just get shot by the pro-gun lobby.
Please be respectful with your replies.
originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: chr0naut
Yes, i know you dont like us having guns. And my answer is the same now as its always been.
I dont care.
Guns arent going away but we can do better with culture as well as education and training which Ive stood behind for years.
originally posted by: Vroomfondel
originally posted by: nolabel
a reply to: AOx6179
I've spent the last 15 minutes trying to post this.
The BIG question is "How the hell did a six year old kid get hold of a gun and then walk into school with it?"
The next question is "How f**king negligent are the kids parents to allow a loaded gun to be within easy reach of a child and not notice he went to school with it?"
Expect all the pro-gun lobby along very soon to say how responsible they are.
Can't wait to see their excuses for this. All the same crap they spout out after any shooting that attracts the general publics attention.
I expect to either get shot down in flames or just get shot by the pro-gun lobby.
Please be respectful with your replies.
I don't have to make excuses for these people. I have nothing to do with them or the mistakes they made. Its not my place to make excuses for them and its not your place to blame me for their actions.
BTW, when you say things like "I expect to get shot down in flames or just get shot by the pro-gun lobby" you pretty much give up the right to "Please be respectful with your replies." If you want people to be respectful don't throw insults like that around.
Its actions like yours right here on this thread that are in some ways at least partly to blame for the violence we see every day. I know, of course you did nothing wrong. Making incendiary comments guaranteed to insult and anger people is your right. And you are upset so being rude and insulting is just collateral damage and not your fault. And if someone takes the bait and gets angry - its their fault, not yours. Its the idea that you can be as rude offensive and insulting as you want and shouldn't have any consequences as a result because you are angry. The perfect victim-Karen setup. "Cant you see how upset I am? That means I must be right!"
That having been said, its a long way to go from being angry to shooting someone. The younger a person is, the shorter that distance. When I was younger growing up in Chicago if you saw a kid do something stupid and you laughed that was the end of it. Today, you don't laugh at that kid because he will probably shoot you. I am talking about kids, children, ten year olds. This is not a racial issue but it would be disingenuous to ignore the fact that the greater majority of these crimes happen in predominantly black communities. Guns are far more pervasive in these communities than respect for life is. There are also white people in these communities and their attitudes and behaviors are the same. It really isn't about race or skin color. Its not the skin color of the shooter, its the values of the community that matter.
There is a growing segment of society that is not troubled by this type of thing unless it affects them directly. You won't hear a word from them until either the victim or the shooter is a family member. Then they are all over television screaming about it. And even then its nothing but denial and demands.
It might be well worth understanding that this generation of children is the first to grow up in a society where blm and antifa are household words. When someone says black lives matter it is understood as implying that white lives don't matter. If they all matter - why distinguish between one and the other with that statement? Why not just say Life Matters? Isn't that the message we want to be sending anyway?
The result of this tragedy will be democrats shouting about banning assault rifles!! Even though it was a .32 caliber handgun that was used. It wasn't an assault rifle. It didn't have a high capacity magazine. It wasn't a high power firearm. But that is what we will hear about in the news. That and how republicans don't care about life...while democrats are demanding the right to abortions and importing hundreds of thousands of criminals from third world countries.
In other words, the underlying theme here is: mixed messages do not solve problems, they create them. Don't imply one life is worth more than another and then become outraged when someone acts accordingly. Don't sling insults and expect respectful responses. Don't ignore a real problem in favor of politically expedient canned outrage.
originally posted by: ManSizedSquirrel
a reply to: AOx6179
Fixing the home and fixing mental health would probably fix most of this. Good kids, from good homes, with mental stability (with parents helping them through their issues if any), with a solid support system don’t commit these crimes. It’s almost impossible to fix that now. Nobody EVER wants to talk about those issues. That’s why you have six year olds bringing guns to school. Taking away a normal adults ability to own a weapon will never fix the issue, it starts at home.
Clearly there are some firearms types that should be restricted (high capacity automatic and semi-automatic weapons).
originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
originally posted by: ManSizedSquirrel
a reply to: AOx6179
Fixing the home and fixing mental health would probably fix most of this. Good kids, from good homes, with mental stability (with parents helping them through their issues if any), with a solid support system don’t commit these crimes. It’s almost impossible to fix that now. Nobody EVER wants to talk about those issues. That’s why you have six year olds bringing guns to school. Taking away a normal adults ability to own a weapon will never fix the issue, it starts at home.
Unaddressed and addressed mental illness is indeed a problem. We have had an ongoing and growing problem with the homeless which a good number are mentally ill. The age of the mentally ill homeless person is getting younger every year. I had three patient's this week that were mentally ill and lived on the streets, by choice. Ages 18 to 26.
We treat them and have no choice but to send them back to the streets, because they refuse shelter or placement in support homes. Most, even if you can get them to go for a night, usually leave and do not return in about a day. I admit. I don't know the answer. I know that the mental institutions were horrible dens of evil when they existed, that is why they were abandoned. Reestablishing them would not solve that problem, in fact it would be probably 10 times worse.
I know families that have spent thousands of dollars trying to help their mentally ill child with no success. They can't lock them in their room, and the moment the mood hits them they are gone. Weeks, sometimes months go by before they get the call from the police. They go pick up their child and they bring him/her home and in a few days, the cycle begins again.
A never ending story with no workable resolution.
The classroom problem is usually not an issue of mental illness. It is straight up a lack of parenting. I will be the first to admit that parenting is not an easy and it becomes more difficult with every downward dip we have in our culture and society. You have to choose if you want to spend your time, money, and efforts, in keeping your child out of trouble or if you want to spend your time, money, and efforts, in getting your child out of trouble.