Confidential Pfizer and Government Documents Confirm ADE, Led to Millions Dying Suddenly

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: v1rtu0s0

Debunked, the main victims are unvaxxed children.

What is really debunked are the numerous claims you have made which lack any substance. Lately you were arguing herd immunity can be achieved and that's why people need to keep vaccinating themselves. And somehow it has been achieved in your country. But that's a fantasy as well know.

Herd immunity “is not a possibility” because the delta variant can spread among vaccinated individuals, according to experts including the director of the Oxford Vaccine Group.

In a parliamentary panel on Tuesday, Professor Sir Andrew Pollard warned that herd immunity is a “mythical” concept and should not inform the design of vaccination programmes in the UK or across the globe

Sudden deaths and excess non Covid deaths is a sad reality and it's better if you come into terms with it to rather than engaging in vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality.

And yet you can't find a single link to a single reputable source for any of this?

If things like VAEDS were real it would be absolutely impossible to hide because so many independent people would be able to verify it. If I could prove that it were real have you any idea how much money I could make? Blowing the whistle on something like that might even get me a Nobel prize, or at least tenure at a redbrick. Yet, I can't find a single shred of evidence.

The quote that you' have put in is outdated. It's from the UK and they achieved herd immunity already because the vax uptake was more successful than predicted.

If any country has achieved herd immunity then have the infections stopped? Have vaccinations stopped as a result of no more infections? Those who have been vaccinated or previously infected are they now immune to future infections?

I think you are deluding yourself as usual.

Your arguments have been refuted everywhere. Not only they are flawed but have no basis in reality.

Take a look again how your claims are dismantled one by one.


www.infectioncontroltoday.com...

Those Who Believe in Herd Immunity Cannot Do the Math.

COVID-19 mutations are evading our immunity and at the same time our immunity is waning. Herd immunity to disease and the eradication of SARS-CoV-2 is no longer possible.

www.businessinsider.com...

The developer of the AstraZeneca shot says the Delta variant has made herd immunity impossible because vaccinated people can still transmit the virus

www.theguardian.com...

Herd immunity now seems impossible. Welcome to the age of Covid reinfection

The virus is now embedded in our world. But there are steps we can take to keep it at bay while we continue to live our lives

www.cnbc.com...

Achieving herd immunity with Covid vaccines when the highly infectious delta variant is spreading is "not a possibility," a leading epidemiologist said.

Herd immunity is achieved when a majority of people in a population are immune to a virus or disease. It's achieved through vaccination or natural infection, leading to reduced transmission.
Sir Andrew Pollard, head of the Oxford Vaccine Group, described the idea of achieving herd immunity as "mythical."

Herd immunity can be reached when part of the population becomes immune to infections. Has any population become immune to infections over the last 3 years? Thousands and thousands of new infections every day and everywhere. So you cannot even use common sense.

Your claims have been repeatedly refuted.

Pfizer has been convicted over a series of scandals paying billions of dollars in criminal fines. There is no need for defending the pharmaceutical companies or engaging in vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality.

a reply to: zandra
Seems like you get the point after all and more importantly, to me at least, that it is independent of the safety, or lack thereof, of the mrna vaccines.

So yeah, place it second, third, fifth or toss it right out the window but it shouldn't be misconstrued as defending Pfizer.

originally posted by: daskakik
How odd that the document linked in that article seems to have a paragraph that was left/edited out of the image used in the article.

I see your point if we were still back in Feb. of 2021 when this was published. At that time, they would not want to publish anything without a disclaimer against their own info in case attention was brought to it, which is also why they sought such a long period of protection against it's release into public domain.

Almost two years later we have excess deaths worldwide that cannot be accounted for as covid anymore. These numbers have to come from somewhere and common sense should have us look into that one excess factor that was put upon society-vaccines.

I got two doses of the vaccine, despite my better judgment. I regret it and didn't want it to begin with, but it was easier to appease a mentally abusive spouse (now divorced after 30 yrs together). I have however been around many people who have had covid and never gotten sick. I have not been sick in about 15 years actually. I took care of my 21-year-old and my 17-year-old when they had it. Hugging them well before we knew it was covid. My 25-year-old had it and I was hugging him and taking care of him too. Recently I was in close quarters with a girl at work who just found out it was covid. I do not believe the vaccine has anything to do with me not getting sick mind you, but I have always been very healthy and had a good immune system. I rarely ever get sick. Once about 15 years ago I had bronchitis, I also had bronchitis in jr. high school. Other than that I've never had anything more than allergies or the occasional mild cold that lasted for a couple of days. I don't get how I've been around so many sick people and not gotten sick myself. Not that I'm complaining mind you.

a reply to: MaMaa

Contrary to the social engineering we have been subject to, humans are not festering bags of pestilence, nor are we weak, fragile, creatures one affliction away from death. Viruses and other infections aren't malicious entities just waiting to pounce and destroy us all. And suffering an infection is not like being thrown into a volcano...

People actually do get sick and live, people can be exposed and not get sick, people do recover and move on - despite the fear mongering of profit-minded authorities, and the media's doom porn approach to all news in this regard.

Viral infections cycle in and out of our world as they have for millennia - authorities are just exploiting their ability to have the media make a mountain out of a molehill. (As well as their ability to control our conversations directly with big tech's help.)

I think your story might be more common than any of the side-pickers here would like to admit... it sort of invalidates the emotional urgency of the discussion.

PS - Like you, I stand as an 'exception' to the tales we see shared here as "all over the place." It might be a condition of how news is shared, juxtaposed with "why" it is shared.

a reply to: v1rtu0s0

Wow this is interesting! Although I'm not sure how anyone would be able to hide "millions" of deaths without anyone noticing.

You got any credible sources for these claims?

originally posted by: jamespond
a reply to: v1rtu0s0

Wow this is interesting! Although I'm not sure how anyone would be able to hide "millions" of deaths without anyone noticing.

You got any credible sources for these claims?

On the contrary, millions of deaths out of billions of people isn't hard to hide.

Source: my last 100 threads.

a reply to: MaMaa

I never took it, lost a lot and went through some truly awful things as a result. I will not be forgetting the lockdowns, mandates, QR codes, and all the other garbage any time soon.

Christ calls us to forgive, so that is something I am working on and hope to do one day. As Luke 23:34 says "Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do."
I think most people genuinely believe that C19 is every bit as bad the media and it's assorted foot soldiers have proclaimed it to be. The weirdos wearing 2 masks, rubbing pure alcohol on their hands several times a day must have been terrified.
Perhaps I will be able to forgive them, but forgetting this absolute debacle? No.

As for my experience with C19? It was nothing for me. I've had hangovers worse than this and only had a mild fever and fatigue. Ended up having a nap at 3 in the afternoon. Felt better when I woke up. It's understandable some may want a vaccine for this given there are many out there in poor shape, but I knew from the start I wouldn't need one for something so mild.
As we have found out, people most at risk were always the elderly, overweight, and unwell. I am none of those - I take my health seriously - and therefore can make my own decisions about what I need.
If you wanted to take it, good on you. What I had to endure (getting fired from my job and all the rest of it) was unfair on many levels.

a reply to: Maxmars

Contrary to the social engineering we have been subject to, humans are not festering bags of pestilence, nor are we weak, fragile, creatures one affliction away from death. Viruses and other infections aren't malicious entities just waiting to pounce and destroy us all. And suffering an infection is not like being thrown into a volcano...

Quiet your tongue you blasphemous heathen!

Your social credit score is definitely going to suffer for spewing such bilge!

Lord Fauci will not be pleased with such careless rhetoric!

We all know that coming within a hundred yards of an unmasked covid positive patient is going to cause spontaneous human combustion which will set off a nuclear fissile reaction that will wipe out the universe!

At what point do we consider mRNA a man-made Poison, and poisonous when introduced into the human body………and now start thinking that an Antidote needs to be developed, …..if possible?

👽

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: jamespond
a reply to: v1rtu0s0

Wow this is interesting! Although I'm not sure how anyone would be able to hide "millions" of deaths without anyone noticing.

You got any credible sources for these claims?

On the contrary, millions of deaths out of billions of people isn't hard to hide.

Source: my last 100 threads.

Ok lets apply some logic here. As of today almost 6.7 million people have died from covid. You're claiming "millions have died suddenly" from a vaccine, so i assume similar numbers. Problem is, that I've regularly seen people that i know dying from covid, but as yet i haven't heard of a single case of anyone even so much of having a complication with a vaccine, let alone being killed by one.

So no, I don't agree that millions of deaths can be hidden and no one noticed, that's an absolutely ridiculous statement.

I feel sorry for all of the people being conned by fringe right wing conspiracy theories at the moment. It's a real shame that a few people lack the mental capacity to spot this kind of horse manure.

a reply to: jamespond
Look up Lisa Shaw.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

If any country has achieved herd immunity then have the infections stopped? Have vaccinations stopped as a result of no more infections? Those who have been vaccinated or previously infected are they now immune to future infections?

I think that maybe you don't understand things like this. You're confusing herd immunity with something else, because the situation you're describing doesn't really exist with most virus.

For example we've had heard immunity to measles for decades. But people still get it, and we still vax all children against it as part of the standard round of childhood vaccines, because Measles hasn't been exterminated. It still exists and can still infect people because vaccination isn't 100 percent effective.

Your arguments have been refuted everywhere. Not only they are flawed but have no basis in reality.

You're quoting the MSM at me, seriously?

Herd immunity can be reached when part of the population becomes immune to infections. Has any population become immune to infections over the last 3 years? Thousands and thousands of new infections every day and everywhere. So you cannot even use common sense.

This isn't a science fiction movie where you get a shot and are 100 percent immune from day one.

Covid is a coronavirus, and it's endemic. Herd immunity means that you have an existing immunity to it, so its effects on you are minimised. Not magically erased.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: jamespond
Look up Lisa Shaw.

She died, here death was reported on pretty right away by the MSM. There was a public inquest. The inquest determined that the vax caused her death. Due to her death (and 14 others), the entire of the EU changed its vax program.

Everything was done in the open, nothing was hidden.

Yet we're expected to believe that hundred of millions of people died in the exact same way and it was covered up?

a reply to: jamespond

Numerous countries around the world, all highly vaxxed btw, have carried excess mortality for all of 2022 ranging from 7 to almost 20%...

In the US alone, almost 3m people a year die on average. If excess mortality is only 10%, that's an additional 300k yearly.

Now figure in China, the EU, Australia, Canada, and it doesn't take long to get to a few million extra deaths.

If you are so convinced that it's just a bunch of conspiracy nonsense, search the term "died suddenly" in all the different search engines. At the very least, that should make you reconsider.

originally posted by: jamespond

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: jamespond
a reply to: v1rtu0s0

Wow this is interesting! Although I'm not sure how anyone would be able to hide "millions" of deaths without anyone noticing.

You got any credible sources for these claims?

On the contrary, millions of deaths out of billions of people isn't hard to hide.

Source: my last 100 threads.

Ok lets apply some logic here. As of today almost 6.7 million people have died from covid. You're claiming "millions have died suddenly" from a vaccine, so i assume similar numbers. Problem is, that I've regularly seen people that i know dying from covid, but as yet i haven't heard of a single case of anyone even so much of having a complication with a vaccine, let alone being killed by one.

So no, I don't agree that millions of deaths can be hidden and no one noticed, that's an absolutely ridiculous statement.

I feel sorry for all of the people being conned by fringe right wing conspiracy theories at the moment. It's a real shame that a few people lack the mental capacity to spot this kind of horse manure.

I don't know anyone who died from or even died with covid.

originally posted by: rickymouse
a reply to: v1rtu0s0

Before the Covid 19 virus ever came into existance, virologists were warning that so many vaccinations could cause the immune system to malfunction. The USA gives more vaccines than any other nation, vaccinations against diseases that were once considered common childhood viruses. I think that the big worry with covid 19 is because they do have some pretty strong evidence that the multiple vaccines they have been giving to people have screwed up their immune systems and the innate immune system is not catching viruses and destroying them before they can cause major infections and the evolving cytokine storm that occurs when the infection does not get killed immediately. Sure they protect you against the exact variant of that virus, but they screw up your immune system response to other diseases or variants.

That is just my opinion of a possible problem that is occurring in our country and others that I have based on reading a lot of medical science over the years. Is my conclusion correctly assessed? Don't know, but it is shared by some pretty highly accredited virologists around the world.

Well, the interesting thing is that the two first countries to be ravaged by Covid were China and Italy, two countries who had JUST had huge pushes for the flu vaccine only a few months earlier.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: Asmodeus3

If any country has achieved herd immunity then have the infections stopped? Have vaccinations stopped as a result of no more infections? Those who have been vaccinated or previously infected are they now immune to future infections?

I think that maybe you don't understand things like this. You're confusing herd immunity with something else, because the situation you're describing doesn't really exist with most virus.

For example we've had heard immunity to measles for decades. But people still get it, and we still vax all children against it as part of the standard round of childhood vaccines, because Measles hasn't been exterminated. It still exists and can still infect people because vaccination isn't 100 percent effective.

Your arguments have been refuted everywhere. Not only they are flawed but have no basis in reality.

You're quoting the MSM at me, seriously?

Herd immunity can be reached when part of the population becomes immune to infections. Has any population become immune to infections over the last 3 years? Thousands and thousands of new infections every day and everywhere. So you cannot even use common sense.

This isn't a science fiction movie where you get a shot and are 100 percent immune from day one.

Covid is a coronavirus, and it's endemic. Herd immunity means that you have an existing immunity to it, so its effects on you are minimised. Not magically erased.

Let's see who understands and who doesn't understand what herd immunity is. I find it fascinating that you are keep insisting when your claim has been refuted several times and it's simply not true. From the links above

Those Who Believe in Herd Immunity Cannot Do the Math.

COVID-19 mutations are evading our immunity and at the same time our immunity is waning. Herd immunity to disease and the eradication of SARS-CoV-2 is no longer possible.

The developer of the AstraZeneca shot says the Delta variant has made herd immunity impossible because vaccinated people can still transmit the virus

Herd immunity now seems impossible. Welcome to the age of Covid reinfection

The virus is now embedded in our world. But there are steps we can take to keep it at bay while we continue to live our lives

Achieving herd immunity with Covid vaccines when the highly infectious delta variant is spreading is "not a possibility," a leading epidemiologist said.

Herd immunity is achieved when a majority of people in a population are immune to a virus or disease. It's achieved through vaccination or natural infection, leading to reduced transmission.
Sir Andrew Pollard, head of the Oxford Vaccine Group, described the idea of achieving herd immunity as "mythical

Do you still insist that herd immunity is achievable?

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: jamespond
Look up Lisa Shaw.

She died, here death was reported on pretty right away by the MSM. There was a public inquest. The inquest determined that the vax caused her death. Due to her death (and 14 others), the entire of the EU changed its vax program.

Everything was done in the open, nothing was hidden.

Yet we're expected to believe that hundred of millions of people died in the exact same way and it was covered up?

No need for vaccine apologetics and defending of the pharmaceuticals as well as denialism of reality. That should be your resolution for the new year.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

Here's a good explanation of why it isn't at this point.

I first want to point out, that had they left well enough alone, and let healthy immune systems respond as they have been for thousands and thousands of years, we could have attained Herd Immunity. If the following is true, which it most likely is, it is impossible because vaxxed people have had their immune systems re-programmed.

threadreaderapp.com...

How the discovery of the shots causing more production of IgG4 as opposed to the other classes of antibodies might explain the negative efficacy of the shots

I spoke to Dr. Dan Stock, an Indiana family doctor who is one of the most brilliant immunologists i know. Here is how he explained the significance of class switch from IgG1-3 to IgG4.

When Antigens (Ag) bind IgG1-3 antibodies (Ab) they change shape and then can bind to a macrophage (MF) which takes the Ag-Ab complex into the MF (we call that Ab-mediated uptake opsonization).

But the Ab gives the MF different instructions depending on what type of IgG it is. IgG1-3 tell the MF “this is this or that type of pathogen, protect yourself from it and present it to the lymphocytes so they can make the proper response”.
The MF understands that it has a pathogen, changes its metabolism to make it less infectable, and shows it to lymphocytes with particular patterns of cytokines, which activates the proper immune response.

IgG4 binds an Ag and then is opsonized into MF but the MF is given the instruction “this is innocuous material, don’t protect yourself or activate the lymphocytes, just destroy it”. The MF processes the AG differently without protecting itself and becomes more infectable.

And it doesn’t tell the lymphocytes that they should respond. This is exactly what we saw happening late in the old RSV vaccine, and is another mechanism explaining ADE, in addition to the hypocellular immune response.

The MF becomes more easily infected, doesn’t signal a proper immune response and the infection goes further with more tissue destruction and inflammation than it would have it you hadn’t induced IgG4 production.

So yes, it explains the late-onset immune compromise that we’re seeing, if these shots induce IgG4 shifts, as we now know they do.

IgG4 transformation is part of developing what we call immune tolerance: Where the immune system recognizes a foreign protein but doesn’t mount a response to it. It’s a great thing to do against pollen. It’s a terrible thing to do against a virus.

So the MRNA has basically blinded the immune system to potential invaders, so it doesn't respond correctly.