Crisis - Norway Funeral Homes Overwhelmed With The Dead

originally posted by: tanstaafl

So, now all you have to do is prove that "millions of people became aware of it (VAERS) that before never knew it existed"

Were you aware of VAERS two years ago? Maybe, maybe not, but the vast majority not in the professions to know had no clue to what it was, but now its like a common thing mentioned...It's called social media and you must agree VAERS has been big as people seem to post about it all the time.

No one is saying that.

I think I can easily find posts saying 19,000 people died to the vaccine because that is what VAERS is showing...lol

If you agree no one is using it as true numbers, then why are you using VAERS as an example then?

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
The study is about serious adverse events.........

So, if they find a case of myocarditis do they count it if the person doesn't need to go to the hospital?

a reply to: jerryznv

anyone with half a brain that is still defending these vaccines is paid opposition, they may even be part of the family, one things for sure though if they aint family, once they have stopped been useful they will be eradicated, that is certain.

Family is loyal to Family, and this goes all they way back to the 12 tribes of Israel

blue/red wheat/chaff

the harvest is upon us, and this is just a precursor to tribulation

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

Then you made the maths that 1 out of 1,000 is somehow different than 10 out of 10,000. Quite wrong I would say.

You keep saying this about my math so please link where my math has ever been wrong.

It's not worth pointing out your small math errors. Even if you could do math you have already proven it only makes you as qualified to speak on the topic as anybody else with a calculator, a middle school education, and a head full of biased pharma propaganda. It has no bearing on your understanding of the underlying scientific principles or the hundreds of other relevant data points which you refuse to even consider. Public health and science don't come from single statistics without regard for all the rest that don't support it. You tried to compare IFR numbers in Israel, the US, and Mexico, without regard for dozens of comorbidity factors, healthcare access, or access to testing services.

Your take is that numbers void of context are meaningful if they support a multi-billion dollar profit motivated narrative. You think that numbers with context from an uncompensated professional with a decade of experience, context that bring lots of mindless persecution from people that know jack squat, are "disinformation" resulting from right-wing brainwashing.

You believe that it's accurate that Mexico with a population of 130 million had 7.25 millions cases, while Israel with a population of 9 million had 4.4 million cases, and you then compared death rates as proof vaccines work. I have a secret for you. People that die only do it once, people that get tested do it as many times as it is required or available. When you process between 30-500k tests per day, like Israel and count all positives as cases, then you end up with a low IRF. Given the number of false positives, asymptomatic infections without any serious illness being counted as "cases", and the absurd mass testing of people for no reason, it alters the data in ways that only an actual scientist with experience in public health can reasonably put into context.

Of course you also ignore that by using those same kinds of "statistics" then Mexico with it's 7.2 million cases and 130 million residents had a mere 5% of it's late vaccinating population even become "cases". Mexico, by the way, is the most obese country in the world and ranks over twice as low in healthcare rankings. Israel, the early vaccinated poster child ranked twice as high in healthcare and with a population known for healthy lifestyles, has 9.3 million residents and had 4.4 million cases. So 47% of their population became "cases". This would mean, by your method of utilizing statistics, vaccination is causing an astronomical increase in cases.

If you don't understand how testing impacts these numbers, failed to consider the inconvenient 5% of the population Mexico allegedly having been "cases" using you own methodology(when I already told you serotesting has confirmed most populations have had widespread exposure), then maybe you don't know as much as you think. Maybe, just maybe, your pharma shill sources are giving you only the perspective they want you to have.

You would likely find, which I am not doing for you because you will ignore it anyway, that the number of tests per capita better correlates with statistical certainty to the IFR across different countries than the simplistic and asinine division of "cases" vs deaths absent any other consideration. That will be irrespective of how many worthless vaccines were deployed or when, but may be also be impacted by how a COVID "death" is classified. I know this without having to be told by a pharma PR pamphlet . I can say it because I am not risking my job to do so or being paid to give you pharma friendly narratives within a vacuum. I am not going to spend the hours needed to compare death classification criteria between all these countries so that you can ignore it. If I thought it would change your mind, just one mind, I actually would. You and many others are not only choosing ignorance, but you are proudly wearing it as a badge and parading it around this site while rejecting anything else. Clearly I cannot divert you or them from this mission. The best I can do is try to ensure nobody takes you seriously.

This is also while you're ignoring that the rate of "full" vaccination in many countries has been exceeding Israel since their own citizens have opted out, probably because they too know it's junk. You have a little data and a lot of opinions not based on any depth of knowledge, but you're oh so certain about this tiny bit of information you're being fed.

Don't bother responding as I don't care. You can try to wrap your head around 5% of the population of Mexico versus 47% of Israel, that Israel has had the five largest spikes in death after vaccination started while Mexico has been trending even or toward decline, and how that leads to "safe and effective" around those numbers. You can figure out why your "data analysis" falls apart outside the tiny vacuum you put it in. Spend the time instead reading some public health information that wasn't put out since 2020 to support a multi-billion dollar payday for pharma.

Don't worry, plenty of the anti-vax crowd know little more than you, but in this case you backed the wrong horse. You now refuse to stop doubling down in spite of your information being filtered through people with a multi-billion dollar stake in you overlooking their lies and being too ignorant to see through their omissions. It's never too late to stop promoting something you don't thoroughly understand for the benefit of billion dollar pharma profits, but I won't hold my breath.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
a reply to: tanstaafl

Were you aware of VAERS two years ago?

Been aware of it for over 15 years... so what? Proves nothing, hell it doesn't even suggest anything.

I think I can easily find posts saying 19,000 people died to the vaccine because that is what VAERS is showing...lol

So... please do. I doubt you can link to even one.

If you agree no one is using it as true numbers, then why are you using VAERS as an example then?

Because it is an INDICATOR. And the story it tells is one of mass murder.

originally posted by: Ksihkehe

It's not worth pointing out your small math errors. Even if you could do math you have already proven it only makes you as qualified to speak on the topic as anybody else with a calculator, a middle school education, and a head full of biased pharma propaganda.

My math was correct, their assumptions were not, you wasted your effort in writing past this here.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: tanstaafl
These harms have not been reflected in the numbers of serious adverse reactions to the vaccines, which are small compared to the number of doses delivered.

Your comment is simply evidence of your willingness to believe whatever your overlords tell you.

The evidence of extremely harmful effects are completely supported and reflected by the VAERS data.

There are 31,357 deaths currently recorded in VAERS after administration of a COVID vaccine, and in the US (where the VAERS database reports on), 652,880,694 doses of COVID vaccines have been administered.

That's 0.0048 of a percent - and even those deaths may not have been caused by, or related to, the vaccines - they just happened afterwards, and so are included should a later possible correlation arises from statistical analysis.

If a vaccine caused a particular reaction, you'd expect it to do so with some sort of frequency. Would you think that a headache tablet that only worked in less than one case in 100 would be marketable?

Really? Then why do surgeons and nurses wear masks? Why aren't they harmed?

Who says they aren't?

200 years of sustained experience of doctors, surgeons, spray-painters, and nursing staff wearing masks says they aren't harmful.

Additionally, as a test, I have worn an N95 mask for hours straight, and have constant blood-oximeter measurements via my fitness tracker. At no stage have my blood-oxygen readings dropped lower than 90% (the highest alarm value I can set). I suspect my blood-oxygen has not dropped below 95%.

Bankruptcy numbers in 2018 were the same as in 2020 and have fallen significantly since:

It is sad, really, how willing you are to believe whatever your overlords tell you.

It is sad how you believe things that exist only in your imagination. If you have hard evidence of these vast additional numbers of failing businesses, then post it.

The virus, like the similar coronaviruses SARS and MERS was NOT always likely to become endemic. As I have frequently pointed out, in New Zealand, two separate outbreaks were totally stopped. That shows that it was stoppable.

Sure... by destroying businesses and lives.

Governments in the US, UK, Australia & New Zealand paid out subsidies and special payments to specifically address financial issues arising from COVID mitigations.

This is the most probable explanation for the reduction in business failures (the businesses could survive without having to transact normal business and so were also insulated against normal losses incurred by poor fiscal management).

But then - what happens when the lockdowns are lifted? It starts spreading again.

If the remaining pockets of disease are either quarantined properly or eliminated totally, the disease has no source from which to spread.

If the lock-downs have been lifted without the disease hosts being isolated (ring-fenced), and before it is eliminated from the community, then the whole point of the lock-downs has been lost, and the attempt has been rendered futile by politicians who have not understood what they are doing or why.

The problem was those who did little or nothing to stop it spreading, and therefore incubated, and spread it.

Those people probably should be held liable for the outcomes we are seeing.

The only problem with that ridiculously insane opinion is there is nothing - NOTHING - of substance to back it up.

Here's an alternative opinion for you...

People who championed the lockdowns and mask mandates and forced others into their personal delusions should be held accountable for the businesses and lives they are actually and demonstrably responsible for destroying.

Again, you need to show evidence of the businesses and lives destroyed by lock-downs and masking. Because the doom-porn you imagine is NOT reflected in national statistics, and not only in the US, but across the globe.

People are still dying from COVID in nearly every country.

Maybe (the tests are still so flawed that they cannot be trusted) yes... but they are also dying from the flu, and lots of other things too...

So... freaking... what? Life is a crap-shoot. Get over it.

I'm not denying that all sorts of causes of death are still in evidence, and still within roughly the same parameters they were before COVID.

It is you denying that the COVID deaths are valid, and are blaming the vaccines for any rise in mortality. Yet COVID deaths began to rise before the vaccines even existed. The data (that you deny, without any alternate data source) clearly shows something different than your conspiracy beliefs.

Pure and simple, people who advise others to avoid lifesaving medicines and safety precautions are evil.

Not as evil as those in positions of authoroty who FORCE everyone but themselves to be subjected to experimental medical procedures against their will.

Are you vaccinated against COVID?

If not, then who forced you to do anything you didn't want to do?

You are flailing wildly against imagined threats that even if they did apply, don't apply to you and me, and only apply to a very small niche of people in specific critical circumstances.

So, you are in favor of lynchings, and based entirely on the untrue doom porn you believe?

Not at all. I'm in favor of open and fair criminal trials, and for those who are found guilty of mass murder, yes, I am 100% in favor of lynchings, performed on the steps of the Supreme Court building and broadcast live over the internet.

That's what law abiding citizens do.

Really? When has that ever happened?

You would convict and kill people on false pretenses - think clearly of all the people trying to do something positive to save the lives of people (and not just casting blame), and then look critically at who you are blaming - it's the same people! And all you have to offer to the mix is the desire to kill even more! Do you think that is 'good' or moral?

Tell me, since you and I are survivors, are you experiencing all that extra cash and property that is now available because of the dead? Is anyone? Surely you'd think if depopulation motivates all your alleged villains, then as a survivor, you'd also be in a good position.

Does it hurt? Being you I mean? It really must be extraordinarily painful.

I am comfortable, safe, cared for, and fairly affluent. You probably are, too.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Ksihkehe

It's not worth pointing out your small math errors. Even if you could do math you have already proven it only makes you as qualified to speak on the topic as anybody else with a calculator, a middle school education, and a head full of biased pharma propaganda.

My math was correct, their assumptions were not, you wasted your effort in writing past this here.

You seem to be in a complete denial over facts and still trying to argue about matters that are false and without even reading any of the papers linked. You don't even watch the videos linked if you don't want to read the papers.

No. Your math and your interpretations were not correct and your assumptions are made in the absence of any evidence. You even tried to use the 'Bitchute card' in order to dismiss a peer reviewed scientific paper which you have never read.

You are trying to argue what exactly is a serious adverse reaction... You need to ask Pfizer and Moderna or just read the papers.

And 1 in 1000 is the same as 10 in 10,000 and not different.

As for the rest the member already stated a few posts who that you are engaging in vaccine apologetics and defending the pharmaceuticals.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: tanstaafl

So, now all you have to do is prove that "millions of people became aware of it (VAERS) that before never knew it existed"

Were you aware of VAERS two years ago? Maybe, maybe not, but the vast majority not in the professions to know had no clue to what it was, but now its like a common thing mentioned...It's called social media and you must agree VAERS has been big as people seem to post about it all the time.

No one is saying that.

I think I can easily find posts saying 19,000 people died to the vaccine because that is what VAERS is showing...lol

If you agree no one is using it as true numbers, then why are you using VAERS as an example then?

You said the majority had no clue about these matters . But you had no clue of how to work 1 serious adverse reaction per 800 vaccinees. In addition you claimed that this number came from some obscure video on Bitchute. Then you may have discovered there are articles which are based on publications.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

And 1 in 1000 is the same as 10 in 10,000 and not different.

As for the rest the member already stated a few posts who that you are engaging in vaccine apologetics and defending the pharmaceuticals.

I never said they were different just as 100 per 100,000 and 1000 per million are all the same too. I also never said 1 per 800 was different from 12.5 per 10,000, or 125 per 100,000 either. So, as I said your assumptions to what I wrote is wrong, not any math. Link my mistakes, even one...

I also said that 1000, 10,000, 100,000 or a million are typically used based on how low the number is to keep the number in the whole number range preventing decimals, such as saying 3 per million, we would not typically say .3 per 100,000, or .03 per 10,000 in this case. When you kept repeating 1 per 800 and I asked you 3 times were did you get that, all you needed to do was tell me the first time and that conversation would have been over.

The problem is we all agree on 70% of this, but you and a few others are so blinded by that last 30% that is extreme you can't even see we do agree on most of it, and because I'm not in your little 100% agreeing kumbaya group I'm 100% wrong. Also, attacking my IQ and/or education level is so woke liberal like as that is what they do when someone does not agree with them 100%.

a reply to: chr0naut

I think you are trying to find excuses for once more for the vaccine injuries and vaccine deaths by engaging in the usual vaccine apologetics and denialism of the reality of vaccine injuries and deaths by making unfortunate comparisons and pulling out random numbers to suit the narrative you are following.

The current level of serious adverse reactions from the vaccines makes them not safe and effective for use. They should have never been released in the market given their safety and effectiveness was never proven.

They will follow the same path as the Astrazeneca vaccine which was pulled out of the market for safety reasons. The country that has created it is no longer using it (UK) and most other countries that have used it have stopped the roll out.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

And 1 in 1000 is the same as 10 in 10,000 and not different.

As for the rest the member already stated a few posts who that you are engaging in vaccine apologetics and defending the pharmaceuticals.

I never said they were different just as 100 per 100,000 and 1000 per million are all the same too. I also never said 1 per 800 was different from 12.5 per 10,000, or 125 per 100,000 either. So, as I said your assumptions to what I wrote is wrong, not any math. Link my mistakes, even one...

I also said that 1000, 10,000, 100,000 or a million are typically used based on how low the number is to keep the number in the whole number range preventing decimals, such as saying 3 per million, we would not typically say .3 per 100,000, or .03 per 10,000 in this case. When you kept repeating 1 per 800 and I asked you 3 times were did you get that, all you needed to do was tell me the first time and that conversation would have been over.

The problem is we all agree on 70% of this, but you and a few others are so blinded by that last 30% that is extreme you can't even see we do agree on most of it, and because I'm not in your little 100% agreeing kumbaya group I'm 100% wrong. Also, attacking my IQ and/or education level is so woke liberal like as that is what they do when someone does not agree with them 100%.

These are excuses for once more.

Where did I get it? There is a whole thread I have created about the mathematics of serious adverse reactions. But I see a pattern here. Whenever actual statistics are involved or actual cases of vaccine injuries and deaths verified by the coroner then these threads are not visited so much by those on the vaccine apology side.

a reply to: chr0naut

Additionally, as a test, I have worn an N95 mask for hours straight, and have constant blood-oximeter measurements via my fitness tracker. At no stage have my blood-oxygen readings dropped lower than 90% (the highest alarm value I can set). I suspect my blood-oxygen has not dropped below 95%.

Yeah I bet you did after spending three years promoting mask mandates and social distancing. One based on a few poorly constructed studies, social distancing on virtually nothing at all, after Dr. "The Science" Fauci did a 180 on it with years of evidence that it doesn't work and can indeed cause harm. Conveniently another sycophant tried to misrepresent mask data and claim I was the misinformed one not reading studies, now it's just a cut and paste away. There are doubtless hundreds of quotes I can pull from within the studies that you would ignore, because you know far better than the entire collective efforts of all studies prior to 2019. For some reason you are filled with irrational fear and promote folklore about masks working for general public use, in spite of having taken every "safe and effective" vaccine and booster you constantly promote and defend.

We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection. Public health authorities define a significant exposure to Covid-19 as face-to-face contact within 6 feet with a patient with symptomatic Covid-19 that is sustained for at least a few minutes (and some say more than 10 minutes or even 30 minutes). The chance of catching Covid-19 from a passing interaction in a public space is therefore minimal. In many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic

“Evidence from 14 randomized controlled trials of these measures did not support a substantial effect on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza…none of the household studies reported a significant reduction in secondary laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the face mask group

“The available clinical evidence of facemask efficacy is of low quality and the best available clinical evidence has mostly failed to show efficacy, with fourteen of sixteen identified randomized controlled trials comparing face masks to no mask controls failing to find statistically significant benefit in the intent-to-treat populations.

“In a Bangladesh study, surgical masks reduced symptomatic COVID infections by between 0 and 22 percent, while the efficacy of cloth masks led to somewhere between an 11 percent increase to a 21 percent decrease. Hence, based on these randomized studies, adult masks appear to have either no or limited efficacy.”

though we support mask wearing by the general public, we continue to conclude that cloth masks and face coverings are likely to have limited impact on lowering COVID-19 transmission

The same pseudoscience fan tried to promote quotes associated with a atudy that continues to confirm you are wrong..

N95 respirators should not be used in a community setting, given the absence of demonstrated benefit, the possible harm with improper use (that is, the requirement for fit testing)

potential risks associated with mask use, including self-contamination (via improper handling of masks), breathing difficulties, and a false sense of security

the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

You said the majority had no clue about these matters . But you had no clue of how to work 1 serious adverse reaction per 800 vaccinees. In addition you claimed that this number came from some obscure video on Bitchute. Then you may have discovered there are articles which are based on publications.

You seem to just repeat yourself not remembering what I wrote the last 2 or 3 times you asked me this same thing...lol

I asked where is 1 per 800 written, you never told me... I searched for 1 per 800 and found nothing, and asked you after you would not answer me, if it came from a video which is not searchable then...

THE FUNNY PART IS YOU GOT THE 1 per 800 FROM A VIDEO...lol geez That is why you didn't tell me and then snorted some BS about my math because I didn't associate your 1 per 800 with this 12.5 per 10,000 buried deep in a document I didn't read, and you would not link to me to answer my simple question of where did you get the 1 per 800?

Pfizer and Moderna mRNA COVID-19 vaccines were associated with an excess risk of serious adverse events of special interest of 10.1 and 15.1 per 10,000 vaccinated over placebo baselines of 17.6 and 42.2 (95 % CI −0.4 to 20.6 and −3.6 to 33.8), respectively. Combined, the mRNA vaccines were associated with an excess risk of serious adverse events of special interest of 12.5 per 10,000 vaccinated (95 % CI 2.1 to 22.9); risk ratio 1.43 (95 % CI 1.07 to 1.92). The Pfizer trial exhibited a 36 % higher risk of serious adverse events in the vaccine group; risk difference 18.0 per 10,000 vaccinated (95 % CI 1.2 to 34.9); risk ratio 1.36 (95 % CI 1.02 to 1.83). The Moderna trial exhibited a 6 % higher risk of serious adverse events in the vaccine group: risk difference 7.1 per 10,000 (95 % CI –23.2 to 37.4); risk ratio 1.06 (95 % CI 0.84 to 1.33). Combined, there was a 16 % higher risk of serious adverse events in mRNA vaccine recipients: risk difference 13.2 (95 % CI −3.2 to 29.6); risk ratio 1.16 (95 % CI 0.97 to 1.39).

You are a real hoot BTW...

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

These are excuses for once more.

Where did I get it? There is a whole thread I have created about the mathematics of serious adverse reactions. But I see a pattern here. Whenever actual statistics are involved or actual cases of vaccine injuries and deaths verified by the coroner then these threads are not visited so much by those on the vaccine apology side.

I didn't read you thread, sorry, Oh BTW one you quickly created on the same day we were in this thread as I was asking you. Why didn't you just link your thread when I asked first? Was it even created yet?

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: tanstaafl
These harms have not been reflected in the numbers of serious adverse reactions to the vaccines, which are small compared to the number of doses delivered.

Your comment is simply evidence of your willingness to believe whatever your overlords tell you.

The evidence of extremely harmful effects are completely supported and reflected by the VAERS data.

There are 31,357 deaths currently recorded in VAERS after administration of a COVID vaccine, and in the US (where the VAERS database reports on), 652,880,694 doses of COVID vaccines have been administered.

That's 0.0048 of a percent - and even those deaths may not have been caused by, or related to, the vaccines - they just happened afterwards, and so are included should a later possible correlation arises from statistical analysis.

If a vaccine caused a particular reaction, you'd expect it to do so with some sort of frequency. Would you think that a headache tablet that only worked in less than one case in 100 would be marketable?

Really? Then why do surgeons and nurses wear masks? Why aren't they harmed?

Who says they aren't?

200 years of sustained experience of doctors, surgeons, spray-painters, and nursing staff wearing masks says they aren't harmful.

Additionally, as a test, I have worn an N95 mask for hours straight, and have constant blood-oximeter measurements via my fitness tracker. At no stage have my blood-oxygen readings dropped lower than 90% (the highest alarm value I can set). I suspect my blood-oxygen has not dropped below 95%.

Bankruptcy numbers in 2018 were the same as in 2020 and have fallen significantly since:

It is sad, really, how willing you are to believe whatever your overlords tell you.

It is sad how you believe things that exist only in your imagination. If you have hard evidence of these vast additional numbers of failing businesses, then post it.

The virus, like the similar coronaviruses SARS and MERS was NOT always likely to become endemic. As I have frequently pointed out, in New Zealand, two separate outbreaks were totally stopped. That shows that it was stoppable.

Sure... by destroying businesses and lives.

Governments in the US, UK, Australia & New Zealand paid out subsidies and special payments to specifically address financial issues arising from COVID mitigations.

This is the most probable explanation for the reduction in business failures (the businesses could survive without having to transact normal business and so were also insulated against normal losses incurred by poor fiscal management).

But then - what happens when the lockdowns are lifted? It starts spreading again.

If the remaining pockets of disease are either quarantined properly or eliminated totally, the disease has no source from which to spread.

If the lock-downs have been lifted without the disease hosts being isolated (ring-fenced), and before it is eliminated from the community, then the whole point of the lock-downs has been lost, and the attempt has been rendered futile by politicians who have not understood what they are doing or why.

The problem was those who did little or nothing to stop it spreading, and therefore incubated, and spread it.

Those people probably should be held liable for the outcomes we are seeing.

The only problem with that ridiculously insane opinion is there is nothing - NOTHING - of substance to back it up.

Here's an alternative opinion for you...

People who championed the lockdowns and mask mandates and forced others into their personal delusions should be held accountable for the businesses and lives they are actually and demonstrably responsible for destroying.

Again, you need to show evidence of the businesses and lives destroyed by lock-downs and masking. Because the doom-porn you imagine is NOT reflected in national statistics, and not only in the US, but across the globe.

People are still dying from COVID in nearly every country.

Maybe (the tests are still so flawed that they cannot be trusted) yes... but they are also dying from the flu, and lots of other things too...

So... freaking... what? Life is a crap-shoot. Get over it.

I'm not denying that all sorts of causes of death are still in evidence, and still within roughly the same parameters they were before COVID.

It is you denying that the COVID deaths are valid, and are blaming the vaccines for any rise in mortality. Yet COVID deaths began to rise before the vaccines even existed. The data (that you deny, without any alternate data source) clearly shows something different than your conspiracy beliefs.

Pure and simple, people who advise others to avoid lifesaving medicines and safety precautions are evil.

Not as evil as those in positions of authoroty who FORCE everyone but themselves to be subjected to experimental medical procedures against their will.

Are you vaccinated against COVID?

If not, then who forced you to do anything you didn't want to do?

You are flailing wildly against imagined threats that even if they did apply, don't apply to you and me, and only apply to a very small niche of people in specific critical circumstances.

So, you are in favor of lynchings, and based entirely on the untrue doom porn you believe?

Not at all. I'm in favor of open and fair criminal trials, and for those who are found guilty of mass murder, yes, I am 100% in favor of lynchings, performed on the steps of the Supreme Court building and broadcast live over the internet.

That's what law abiding citizens do.

Really? When has that ever happened?

You would convict and kill people on false pretenses - think clearly of all the people trying to do something positive to save the lives of people (and not just casting blame), and then look critically at who you are blaming - it's the same people! And all you have to offer to the mix is the desire to kill even more! Do you think that is 'good' or moral?

Tell me, since you and I are survivors, are you experiencing all that extra cash and property that is now available because of the dead? Is anyone? Surely you'd think if depopulation motivates all your alleged villains, then as a survivor, you'd also be in a good position.

Does it hurt? Being you I mean? It really must be extraordinarily painful.

I am comfortable, safe, cared for, and fairly affluent. You probably are, too.

Get out with that nonsense. VAERs is severely underreported by 50x.

stevekirsch.substack.com...

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
a reply to: chr0naut

I think you are trying to find excuses for once more for the vaccine injuries and vaccine deaths by engaging in the usual vaccine apologetics and denialism of the reality of vaccine injuries and deaths by making unfortunate comparisons and pulling out random numbers to suit the narrative you are following.

The current level of serious adverse reactions from the vaccines makes them not safe and effective for use. They should have never been released in the market given their safety and effectiveness was never proven.

They will follow the same path as the Astrazeneca vaccine which was pulled out of the market for safety reasons.

The Oxford–AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine is not an mRNA vaccine. In fact, it is a viral vector vaccine like many older, and more traditional, vaccines. All those who say that mRNA vaccines aren't really vaccines, cannot apply that logic to the AZ vaccine.

Several countries suspended the vaccine not because of safety issues, but because of reduced effectiveness in dealing with new strains and availability issues. There were also some reports of blood clots and although they were very rare, it was thought better to suspend and wait for more effective versions.

Some countries still use the AZ vaccine, especially for people who have already had earlier doses of the vaccine

The country that has created it is no longer using it (UK) and most other countries that have used it have stopped the roll out.

The UK has not suspended the Oxford-AstraZaneca vaccine. However, after a JVCI "CovBoost" study showing it was less effective than boosted mRNA vaccines, they have ceased ordering more of the AZ vaccine.

Because the vaccine can be stored and transported at higher temperatures than mRNA vaccines, it is still a good vaccine for use in countries where storage and transport of super chilled vaccines is problematic.

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: tanstaafl
These harms have not been reflected in the numbers of serious adverse reactions to the vaccines, which are small compared to the number of doses delivered.

Your comment is simply evidence of your willingness to believe whatever your overlords tell you.

The evidence of extremely harmful effects are completely supported and reflected by the VAERS data.

There are 31,357 deaths currently recorded in VAERS after administration of a COVID vaccine, and in the US (where the VAERS database reports on), 652,880,694 doses of COVID vaccines have been administered.

That's 0.0048 of a percent - and even those deaths may not have been caused by, or related to, the vaccines - they just happened afterwards, and so are included should a later possible correlation arises from statistical analysis.

If a vaccine caused a particular reaction, you'd expect it to do so with some sort of frequency. Would you think that a headache tablet that only worked in less than one case in 100 would be marketable?

Really? Then why do surgeons and nurses wear masks? Why aren't they harmed?

Who says they aren't?

200 years of sustained experience of doctors, surgeons, spray-painters, and nursing staff wearing masks says they aren't harmful.

Additionally, as a test, I have worn an N95 mask for hours straight, and have constant blood-oximeter measurements via my fitness tracker. At no stage have my blood-oxygen readings dropped lower than 90% (the highest alarm value I can set). I suspect my blood-oxygen has not dropped below 95%.

Bankruptcy numbers in 2018 were the same as in 2020 and have fallen significantly since:

It is sad, really, how willing you are to believe whatever your overlords tell you.

It is sad how you believe things that exist only in your imagination. If you have hard evidence of these vast additional numbers of failing businesses, then post it.

The virus, like the similar coronaviruses SARS and MERS was NOT always likely to become endemic. As I have frequently pointed out, in New Zealand, two separate outbreaks were totally stopped. That shows that it was stoppable.

Sure... by destroying businesses and lives.

Governments in the US, UK, Australia & New Zealand paid out subsidies and special payments to specifically address financial issues arising from COVID mitigations.

This is the most probable explanation for the reduction in business failures (the businesses could survive without having to transact normal business and so were also insulated against normal losses incurred by poor fiscal management).

But then - what happens when the lockdowns are lifted? It starts spreading again.

If the remaining pockets of disease are either quarantined properly or eliminated totally, the disease has no source from which to spread.

If the lock-downs have been lifted without the disease hosts being isolated (ring-fenced), and before it is eliminated from the community, then the whole point of the lock-downs has been lost, and the attempt has been rendered futile by politicians who have not understood what they are doing or why.

The problem was those who did little or nothing to stop it spreading, and therefore incubated, and spread it.

Those people probably should be held liable for the outcomes we are seeing.

The only problem with that ridiculously insane opinion is there is nothing - NOTHING - of substance to back it up.

Here's an alternative opinion for you...

People who championed the lockdowns and mask mandates and forced others into their personal delusions should be held accountable for the businesses and lives they are actually and demonstrably responsible for destroying.

Again, you need to show evidence of the businesses and lives destroyed by lock-downs and masking. Because the doom-porn you imagine is NOT reflected in national statistics, and not only in the US, but across the globe.

People are still dying from COVID in nearly every country.

Maybe (the tests are still so flawed that they cannot be trusted) yes... but they are also dying from the flu, and lots of other things too...

So... freaking... what? Life is a crap-shoot. Get over it.

I'm not denying that all sorts of causes of death are still in evidence, and still within roughly the same parameters they were before COVID.

It is you denying that the COVID deaths are valid, and are blaming the vaccines for any rise in mortality. Yet COVID deaths began to rise before the vaccines even existed. The data (that you deny, without any alternate data source) clearly shows something different than your conspiracy beliefs.

Pure and simple, people who advise others to avoid lifesaving medicines and safety precautions are evil.

Not as evil as those in positions of authoroty who FORCE everyone but themselves to be subjected to experimental medical procedures against their will.

Are you vaccinated against COVID?

If not, then who forced you to do anything you didn't want to do?

You are flailing wildly against imagined threats that even if they did apply, don't apply to you and me, and only apply to a very small niche of people in specific critical circumstances.

So, you are in favor of lynchings, and based entirely on the untrue doom porn you believe?

Not at all. I'm in favor of open and fair criminal trials, and for those who are found guilty of mass murder, yes, I am 100% in favor of lynchings, performed on the steps of the Supreme Court building and broadcast live over the internet.

That's what law abiding citizens do.

Really? When has that ever happened?

You would convict and kill people on false pretenses - think clearly of all the people trying to do something positive to save the lives of people (and not just casting blame), and then look critically at who you are blaming - it's the same people! And all you have to offer to the mix is the desire to kill even more! Do you think that is 'good' or moral?

Tell me, since you and I are survivors, are you experiencing all that extra cash and property that is now available because of the dead? Is anyone? Surely you'd think if depopulation motivates all your alleged villains, then as a survivor, you'd also be in a good position.

Does it hurt? Being you I mean? It really must be extraordinarily painful.

I am comfortable, safe, cared for, and fairly affluent. You probably are, too.

Get out with that nonsense. VAERs is severely underreported by 50x.

By a source that both exaggerates and cannot present alternate credible data to substantiate their claims.

stevekirsch.substack.com...

Didn't Steve Kirsch claim that 40% of people who had had a COVID vaccine were dead? That is 4 out of every 10 of most of the world's population.

LOL.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: tanstaafl
These harms have not been reflected in the numbers of serious adverse reactions to the vaccines, which are small compared to the number of doses delivered.

Your comment is simply evidence of your willingness to believe whatever your overlords tell you.

The evidence of extremely harmful effects are completely supported and reflected by the VAERS data.

There are 31,357 deaths currently recorded in VAERS after administration of a COVID vaccine, and in the US (where the VAERS database reports on), 652,880,694 doses of COVID vaccines have been administered.

That's 0.0048 of a percent - and even those deaths may not have been caused by, or related to, the vaccines - they just happened afterwards, and so are included should a later possible correlation arises from statistical analysis.

If a vaccine caused a particular reaction, you'd expect it to do so with some sort of frequency. Would you think that a headache tablet that only worked in less than one case in 100 would be marketable?

Really? Then why do surgeons and nurses wear masks? Why aren't they harmed?

Who says they aren't?

200 years of sustained experience of doctors, surgeons, spray-painters, and nursing staff wearing masks says they aren't harmful.

Additionally, as a test, I have worn an N95 mask for hours straight, and have constant blood-oximeter measurements via my fitness tracker. At no stage have my blood-oxygen readings dropped lower than 90% (the highest alarm value I can set). I suspect my blood-oxygen has not dropped below 95%.

Bankruptcy numbers in 2018 were the same as in 2020 and have fallen significantly since:

It is sad, really, how willing you are to believe whatever your overlords tell you.

It is sad how you believe things that exist only in your imagination. If you have hard evidence of these vast additional numbers of failing businesses, then post it.

The virus, like the similar coronaviruses SARS and MERS was NOT always likely to become endemic. As I have frequently pointed out, in New Zealand, two separate outbreaks were totally stopped. That shows that it was stoppable.

Sure... by destroying businesses and lives.

Governments in the US, UK, Australia & New Zealand paid out subsidies and special payments to specifically address financial issues arising from COVID mitigations.

This is the most probable explanation for the reduction in business failures (the businesses could survive without having to transact normal business and so were also insulated against normal losses incurred by poor fiscal management).

But then - what happens when the lockdowns are lifted? It starts spreading again.

If the remaining pockets of disease are either quarantined properly or eliminated totally, the disease has no source from which to spread.

If the lock-downs have been lifted without the disease hosts being isolated (ring-fenced), and before it is eliminated from the community, then the whole point of the lock-downs has been lost, and the attempt has been rendered futile by politicians who have not understood what they are doing or why.

The problem was those who did little or nothing to stop it spreading, and therefore incubated, and spread it.

Those people probably should be held liable for the outcomes we are seeing.

The only problem with that ridiculously insane opinion is there is nothing - NOTHING - of substance to back it up.

Here's an alternative opinion for you...

People who championed the lockdowns and mask mandates and forced others into their personal delusions should be held accountable for the businesses and lives they are actually and demonstrably responsible for destroying.

Again, you need to show evidence of the businesses and lives destroyed by lock-downs and masking. Because the doom-porn you imagine is NOT reflected in national statistics, and not only in the US, but across the globe.

People are still dying from COVID in nearly every country.

Maybe (the tests are still so flawed that they cannot be trusted) yes... but they are also dying from the flu, and lots of other things too...

So... freaking... what? Life is a crap-shoot. Get over it.

I'm not denying that all sorts of causes of death are still in evidence, and still within roughly the same parameters they were before COVID.

It is you denying that the COVID deaths are valid, and are blaming the vaccines for any rise in mortality. Yet COVID deaths began to rise before the vaccines even existed. The data (that you deny, without any alternate data source) clearly shows something different than your conspiracy beliefs.

Pure and simple, people who advise others to avoid lifesaving medicines and safety precautions are evil.

Not as evil as those in positions of authoroty who FORCE everyone but themselves to be subjected to experimental medical procedures against their will.

Are you vaccinated against COVID?

If not, then who forced you to do anything you didn't want to do?

You are flailing wildly against imagined threats that even if they did apply, don't apply to you and me, and only apply to a very small niche of people in specific critical circumstances.

So, you are in favor of lynchings, and based entirely on the untrue doom porn you believe?

Not at all. I'm in favor of open and fair criminal trials, and for those who are found guilty of mass murder, yes, I am 100% in favor of lynchings, performed on the steps of the Supreme Court building and broadcast live over the internet.

That's what law abiding citizens do.

Really? When has that ever happened?

You would convict and kill people on false pretenses - think clearly of all the people trying to do something positive to save the lives of people (and not just casting blame), and then look critically at who you are blaming - it's the same people! And all you have to offer to the mix is the desire to kill even more! Do you think that is 'good' or moral?

Tell me, since you and I are survivors, are you experiencing all that extra cash and property that is now available because of the dead? Is anyone? Surely you'd think if depopulation motivates all your alleged villains, then as a survivor, you'd also be in a good position.

Does it hurt? Being you I mean? It really must be extraordinarily painful.

I am comfortable, safe, cared for, and fairly affluent. You probably are, too.

Get out with that nonsense. VAERs is severely underreported by 50x.

By a source that both exaggerates and cannot present alternate credible data to substantiate their claims.

stevekirsch.substack.com...

Didn't Steve Kirsch claim that 40% of people who had had a COVID vaccine were dead? That is 4 out of every 10 of most of the world's population.

LOL.


So this is where these anti-vaxxr's get their modus operandi. lol

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: v1rtu0s0

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: tanstaafl
These harms have not been reflected in the numbers of serious adverse reactions to the vaccines, which are small compared to the number of doses delivered.

Your comment is simply evidence of your willingness to believe whatever your overlords tell you.

The evidence of extremely harmful effects are completely supported and reflected by the VAERS data.

There are 31,357 deaths currently recorded in VAERS after administration of a COVID vaccine, and in the US (where the VAERS database reports on), 652,880,694 doses of COVID vaccines have been administered.

That's 0.0048 of a percent - and even those deaths may not have been caused by, or related to, the vaccines - they just happened afterwards, and so are included should a later possible correlation arises from statistical analysis.

If a vaccine caused a particular reaction, you'd expect it to do so with some sort of frequency. Would you think that a headache tablet that only worked in less than one case in 100 would be marketable?

Really? Then why do surgeons and nurses wear masks? Why aren't they harmed?

Who says they aren't?

200 years of sustained experience of doctors, surgeons, spray-painters, and nursing staff wearing masks says they aren't harmful.

Additionally, as a test, I have worn an N95 mask for hours straight, and have constant blood-oximeter measurements via my fitness tracker. At no stage have my blood-oxygen readings dropped lower than 90% (the highest alarm value I can set). I suspect my blood-oxygen has not dropped below 95%.

Bankruptcy numbers in 2018 were the same as in 2020 and have fallen significantly since:

It is sad, really, how willing you are to believe whatever your overlords tell you.

It is sad how you believe things that exist only in your imagination. If you have hard evidence of these vast additional numbers of failing businesses, then post it.

The virus, like the similar coronaviruses SARS and MERS was NOT always likely to become endemic. As I have frequently pointed out, in New Zealand, two separate outbreaks were totally stopped. That shows that it was stoppable.

Sure... by destroying businesses and lives.

Governments in the US, UK, Australia & New Zealand paid out subsidies and special payments to specifically address financial issues arising from COVID mitigations.

This is the most probable explanation for the reduction in business failures (the businesses could survive without having to transact normal business and so were also insulated against normal losses incurred by poor fiscal management).

But then - what happens when the lockdowns are lifted? It starts spreading again.

If the remaining pockets of disease are either quarantined properly or eliminated totally, the disease has no source from which to spread.

If the lock-downs have been lifted without the disease hosts being isolated (ring-fenced), and before it is eliminated from the community, then the whole point of the lock-downs has been lost, and the attempt has been rendered futile by politicians who have not understood what they are doing or why.

The problem was those who did little or nothing to stop it spreading, and therefore incubated, and spread it.

Those people probably should be held liable for the outcomes we are seeing.

The only problem with that ridiculously insane opinion is there is nothing - NOTHING - of substance to back it up.

Here's an alternative opinion for you...

People who championed the lockdowns and mask mandates and forced others into their personal delusions should be held accountable for the businesses and lives they are actually and demonstrably responsible for destroying.

Again, you need to show evidence of the businesses and lives destroyed by lock-downs and masking. Because the doom-porn you imagine is NOT reflected in national statistics, and not only in the US, but across the globe.

People are still dying from COVID in nearly every country.

Maybe (the tests are still so flawed that they cannot be trusted) yes... but they are also dying from the flu, and lots of other things too...

So... freaking... what? Life is a crap-shoot. Get over it.

I'm not denying that all sorts of causes of death are still in evidence, and still within roughly the same parameters they were before COVID.

It is you denying that the COVID deaths are valid, and are blaming the vaccines for any rise in mortality. Yet COVID deaths began to rise before the vaccines even existed. The data (that you deny, without any alternate data source) clearly shows something different than your conspiracy beliefs.

Pure and simple, people who advise others to avoid lifesaving medicines and safety precautions are evil.

Not as evil as those in positions of authoroty who FORCE everyone but themselves to be subjected to experimental medical procedures against their will.

Are you vaccinated against COVID?

If not, then who forced you to do anything you didn't want to do?

You are flailing wildly against imagined threats that even if they did apply, don't apply to you and me, and only apply to a very small niche of people in specific critical circumstances.

So, you are in favor of lynchings, and based entirely on the untrue doom porn you believe?

Not at all. I'm in favor of open and fair criminal trials, and for those who are found guilty of mass murder, yes, I am 100% in favor of lynchings, performed on the steps of the Supreme Court building and broadcast live over the internet.

That's what law abiding citizens do.

Really? When has that ever happened?

You would convict and kill people on false pretenses - think clearly of all the people trying to do something positive to save the lives of people (and not just casting blame), and then look critically at who you are blaming - it's the same people! And all you have to offer to the mix is the desire to kill even more! Do you think that is 'good' or moral?

Tell me, since you and I are survivors, are you experiencing all that extra cash and property that is now available because of the dead? Is anyone? Surely you'd think if depopulation motivates all your alleged villains, then as a survivor, you'd also be in a good position.

Does it hurt? Being you I mean? It really must be extraordinarily painful.

I am comfortable, safe, cared for, and fairly affluent. You probably are, too.

Get out with that nonsense. VAERs is severely underreported by 50x.

By a source that both exaggerates and cannot present alternate credible data to substantiate their claims.

stevekirsch.substack.com...

Didn't Steve Kirsch claim that 40% of people who had had a COVID vaccine were dead? That is 4 out of every 10 of most of the world's population.

LOL.

No, he never claimed that, stop making up lies.