Biological sex & gender identity

a reply to: Annee

Here we go, genius number 2 enters the thread.

I suggest everyone warms up, the mental gymnastics are about to test your logic to the extremes.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: tanstaafl
And if you can't understand what a biological sex and hormone disruptor scientific study is relating, such as the study I posted where they are discussing 'intersex'

I understand it perfectly well, you are the one who doesn't.

Can they reproduce in both male and female capacities?

Intersex is just a fancy word for a birth defect/deformity, nothing more. It is not a different sex. It is a DEFECT - and yes, they can be caused by many things, including hormone disruptors.

Please just be open-minded for 47 minutes and watch this video and then let's see where we can go with it.

a reply to: quintessentone

My favorite is Ben Barres, neurobiologist (unfortunately he has passed away).

Interestingly, after his transition from female to male -- he took up the cause of Women's Equality in Science rather than transgender issues -- because of the way he was treated as a female.

Ben A. Barres (September 13, 1954 – December 27, 2017) was an American neurobiologist at Stanford University. His research focused on the interaction between neurons and glial cells in the nervous system. Beginning in 2008, he was chair of the Neurobiology Department at Stanford University School of Medicine. He transitioned to male in 1997 and became the first openly transgender scientist in the National Academy of Sciences in 2013. en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Well, you are free to dismiss or believe whatever you want, it is what it is.

I don't have a belief in this matter.
Biological sex is an immutable characteristic and cannot change. The links you have given don't support your claims earlier.

Intersex isn't a third biological sex but a sex development disorder and has nothing to do with transgenderism.

Can you point to me a case of a human who was born a man/woman and they changed their biological sex?

You seem to be conflating sex with gender identity.
One is a biological reality, the other is a fantasy.

Biological sex is determined by the Y chromosome only and nothing else.

Well the newest studies are pointing to a different explanation, but more studies are needed on people.

The establishment of gender identity is a complex phenomenon and the diversity of gender expression argues against a simple or unitary explanation. For this reason, the extent to which it is determined by social vs biological (ie, genes and hormones) factors continues to be debated vigorously. The biological basis of gender identity cannot be modelled in animals and is best studied in people who identify with a gender that is different from the sex of their genitals, in particular transsexual people. Several extensive reviews by Dick Swaab and coworkers elaborate the current evidence for an array of prenatal factors that influence gender identity, including genes and hormones.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

So don't jump to conclusions.

Do you know what determines biological sex?
It's the Y chromosome only. Its presence implies a biological male and its absence implies a biological female.

What new studies point to a different direction??

This is a well established fact not a hypothesis or on table for debate.

Can you point me to one case where a child, teenager, or adult human, have changed their biological sex? Either naturally or through a series of medical interventions.

Who uses Y & X anymore? Except those trying to hold on to once was.

Think gender comes down to X and Y chromosomes? Think again

For many people, biology defines sex, and sex is always a binary affair. Sure, postmodernists have been playing with the concept of gender for decades, but sex, well, sex is sacred, which means you're either biologically male or female. But never both. Or neither.

But biology doesn't work that way. Biological phenomena don't necessarily fit into human-ordained binary categories. So while humans insist that you're either male or female – that you have either XY or XX sex chromosomes – biology begs to differ.

For example, genetic men with Klinefelter syndrome possess an extra X chromosome (XXY) or more rarely, two or three extra Xs (XXXY, XXXXY); they typically produce low levels of testosterone, leading to less-developed masculine sexual characteristics and more-developed feminine characteristics than other men. In contrast, some men receive an extra Y chromosome (XYY) in the genetic lottery, and while they have been referred to as "supermales" that is more sensationalism than science.

www.theglobeandmail.com...

These are not genders but sex development disorders which have been discussed in others threads and briefly in this thread.

An example which I have discussed earlier is what is known as Klinefelter syndrome XXY. This is biological male having an extra X chromosome. Still a male though with most characteristics of a male.

Those who are XXY may (but not always) have smaller testicles or suffer from anxiety and some other mental health issues. But not everyone does.
This is not a gender by the way as wrongly stated in your link. It is a sex development disorder. A generic disorders that only affects males.

Another one is what is called Turner syndrome which affects females only and those who have it possess only one chromosome X (in most cases).

Another one is trisomy 47 XXX which affects only females.

Another one is 47 XYY which affects only males.


In all of the above what determines biological sex is the presence or absence of the Y chromosome. Regardless of how many chromosomes one has, 46, 47, 48 , etc.

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: Annee

Here we go, genius number 2 enters the thread.

I suggest everyone warms up, the mental gymnastics are about to test your logic to the extremes.

Have a look at my post. It explains the confusion they seem to have by linking articles where the authors don't understand that whet they have called genders are nothing more than sex development disorders.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

I believe the expression is pissing into the wind. Good luck pal, you’re going to need it.

You are your brain.

Research on the Transgender Brain: What You Should Know

What’s going on in your brain plays a large role in determining the gender you identify with — and researchers working with transgender people are just starting to understand how.

Being transgender has nothing to do with sexual identity. As one doctor puts it, “Sexuality is about who you’re attracted to. Gender is about who you are.”

Where does gender originate?

In the birthing process, a medical professional will declare your baby a boy or a girl based on their sexual organs — but does this determine their gender?

“We’re trying to change the understanding of gender,” says psychiatrist Murat Altinay, MD. “That’s one of my big goals. The main question I’m asking is, ‘Where is the gender?’”

We know that as an embryo forms, the genitalia specializes into either male or female. But what about development in the brain?

“The brain and the body can go in different directions,” Dr. Altinay says. “Gender is not only in our genitalia; there’s something in the brain that determines gender.”

health.clevelandclinic.org...

a reply to: Annee

You mean “she”.

a reply to: Annee

Sex is a biological reality.
Gender identity is a fantasy which is a result of the woke culture.

Biological sex is not assigned by anyone. It is determined by chromosomes.

Most of the 'experts' on gender studies are nothing more than sociologists, psychologists, and graduates from relevant fields who are irrelevant with biology and are getting exposed continuously with their unsubstantiated claims.

A good example is Matt Walsh's: What is a woman? A range of 'experts' were exposed given their ludicrous claims and their inability define and articulate even the most basics such as what is a woman.

This is what they came up with

A woman is whoever identifies as a woman

a reply to: Annee

And the female brain is the default, the variable is mainly the brain's ability to receive testosterone.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
a reply to: Annee

Sex is a biological reality.
Gender identity is a fantasy which is a result of the woke culture.

Well, you enjoy continuing to be stuck in an antiquated mindset.

Science understanding of sexuality will continue to evolve without you.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
a reply to: Annee

Sex is a biological reality.
Gender identity is a fantasy which is a result of the woke culture.

Well, you enjoy continuing to be stuck in an antiquated mindset.

Science understanding of sexuality will continue to evolve without you.

Sexuality and sexual orientation are different to biological sex. Sexuality refers to the ability one possesses to have sexual feelings and sexual orientation is who you are attracted to.

Biological sex is something very different and it entirely depends on the chromosomal make up of an individual and not on feelings or thoughts or what the woke crowd demands.

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: tanstaafl
Please just be open-minded for 47 minutes and watch this video and then let's see where we can go with it.

Nothing there changes reality, or what I said.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: tanstaafl
Please just be open-minded for 47 minutes and watch this video and then let's see where we can go with it.

Nothing there changes reality, or what I said.

Yeah, evidence-based science is a conspiracy. /sarc off

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: tanstaafl
Yeah, evidence-based science is a conspiracy. /sarc off

Yeah, except there is no evidence that intersex or any of the myriad of mental illnesses that come into play with regard to those suffering from gender dysphoria are anything other than what they are... genetic defects (when it comes to the physical genetic disparities) and mental illness.

I would also argue that the vast majority of the mental illnesses will completely resolve themselves with proper nutrition/diet/lifestyle changes.

a reply to: tanstaafl

Yeah, you didn't really watch the video, or if you did your selective hearing was at play.

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: tanstaafl

Yeah, you didn't really watch the video, or if you did your selective hearing was at play.

No, there was simply nothing said that changes reality.

If you disagree, by all means, quote from the transcript, or provide timestamps to exact comments that prove your points.

a reply to: quintessentone

Can you give us an example with the name of a child or a teenager or an adult human who is known to have their biological sex changed? Either naturally or by medical interventions.

It would be the most surprising ever piece of research and it will go against everything known in evolutionary and human biology.

Just for the record there are no mammal hermaphrodites

en.wikipedia.org...

There are no hermaphroditic species among mammals[18][19] or birds.[20][21] According to David B. Rivers there is controversy around hermaphroditism in insects with some experts believing it does not occur.[22] Hermaphroditism is said to occur in one or two insect species

a reply to: Annee

Gender identity is a fantasy and a consequence of the woke culture. In a few words it is just radical left-wing biology.

Same with the climate-change apocalypse and end of times.

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: tanstaafl

Yeah, you didn't really watch the video, or if you did your selective hearing was at play.

"They" can't comprehend it and refuse to be open to it even though science supports it.

To me "they" are choosing to keep the door closed. Choosing to be stuck.

Many things from past ignorance are no longer accepted -- such as seizures as being possessed by the Devil, homosexuality being a choice, etc.

But we continue to evolve.