Biological sex & gender identity

I'm open minded about a lot of things but this just doesnt make sense to me.

The most confusing part is when someone says they feel like a man/woman.

What does that feel like? I'm a man. What does it feel like to be a woman?

And, if gender is a social construct, why does a man who feels like a woman then want to look like the social construct woman and vice versa?

I have met a lot of people in my 40 odd years and they are vastly different. Quiet guys, emotional, nice, polite to very rough, aggressive, loud, rude etc.

Same with women, different levels of femininity.

I'm not saying I dont believe its possible, I just havnt seen anything to convince me yet.

I see transgenderism, the "woman with a penis" kind as hyper-misogynistic.

Transgenderism: is turning biological females into second class citizens, as inferior to "women with a a penis", as transgender "women with a penis" now have more rights and their rights supersede those of biological females. It is as if the radical left wants to erase womanhood, motherhood, and the female gender in favor of those with a penis.

In prisons: "women with a penis" in many states are required to be housed with biological females. Even "women with a penis" who were in prison because they raped or sexually assaulted biological females. This has resulted in confirmed rapes and pregnancies of unwilling biological females. What happens to biological females who complain about being locked in a prison cell with a "woman with a penis". They are told too bad, you will be locked in a cell with them and punished if you complain any more. Therefore the "woman with a penis" has the legal right to be safe from rape and sexual assault by not being put in a prison with other people with a penis, biological males. However, biological woman no longer have the right to be safe from rape or sexual assault committed by a biological male in prison.

In gyms/school locker rooms: There have been many complaints about "women with a penis" walking around naked, displaying their penis' and staring at biological women/girls as they change clothes. The response when biological women complain, they are actually punished and told to go elsewhere. One judge ruled that biological girls have no right to bodily privacy and can be forced to shower with "girls with a penis" in schools. Therefore, "women with a penis" do have a right to bodily privacy from other penis' people, but women and girls do not have the right to bodily privacy from a "woman/girl with a penis".

"Women of the Year" awards, those awards that say this woman is an example of what all women/girls should strive to attain. Many magazines etc. have lately awarded "women of the year" to "women with a penis" telling women/girls that in order to be the perfect women they should have a penis. Again misogyny.

originally posted by: Nostranova
I'm open minded about a lot of things but this just doesnt make sense to me.

The most confusing part is when someone says they feel like a man/woman.

What does that feel like? I'm a man. What does it feel like to be a woman?

And, if gender is a social construct, why does a man who feels like a woman then want to look like the social construct woman and vice versa?

I have met a lot of people in my 40 odd years and they are vastly different. Quiet guys, emotional, nice, polite to very rough, aggressive, loud, rude etc.

Same with women, different levels of femininity.

I'm not saying I dont believe its possible, I just havnt seen anything to convince me yet.

I agree very much with you.

I have made another thread here sometime ago:
Matt Walsh's documentary: What is a woman?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

If you haven't watched it I suggest you do. It shows precisely how absurd the gender ideology is and how they are trying to confuse but most importantly indoctrinate young children and teenagers as well as young adults with a range of nonsensical and antiscientific claims crating the basis of the most absurd and ludicrous ideology.

The definition they use is the following:

A woman is one who identifies as a woman

You can easily spot the serious issues with this definition. First of all it is circular as it uses what it tries to define in the definition! But there is no attempt to define and explain what is that they call a woman.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

But if gender/sex is largely a function of psychology and how you feel, then why is scientific American claiming there are no male/female brains? Isn't that where the difference is that creates dysphoria?

a reply to: [post=26797046]Nostrandysphagia?

I'm a woman and *I * don't know what exactly that feels like. However I find it interesting that so often the teans depiction is a hyper-objectified version of a woman.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Asmodeus3

But if gender/sex is largely a function of psychology and how you feel, then why is scientific American claiming there are no male/female brains? Isn't that where the difference is that creates dysphoria?

I don't think they have claimed gender and sex are a function of psychology mainly. But if you read article they are trying to use bits and pieces of genetics to justify transgenderism and they seem to be conflating it with intersex. The author is really confused.

In a few words they argue about transgenderism on the basis of rare sex development disorders. They even mentioned XXY and that's not a gender but a condition which is part of the group of sex development disorders, called Klinefelter syndrome that affects one every few thousands of males. Hence a biological male with an extra chromosome X.

This a classical mistake these authors make in order to argue their case about transgenderism. The affected individuals are not transgenders.

You guys are getting baited,
This is all non-sense. I like the way the Medical Health system in Canada handles it on paper:

There is a checkmark box for Biological Gender (At Birth), and then a checkbox beside that one for Assigned Gender (Identity).

There is no reason to further complicate this.

This is the way.

I don't believe there is any privacy in the universe as there is a belief system which dictates we are living under observed determinism, by many different consciousness types.

There is no other way around it, I allow the universe to utilize my eyes and body as it wishes, so should you. There really is no point to hiding anything or beating around the bush.

I agree there is complications with this as I encountered Females who were identifying as Males when I served prison time for traffic related (Driving fines) tickets in my country.

a reply to: 47Cide

It is not the way. Not when I have to efface my identity in order for bio gender males who identify as women to feel better about themselves. It is also not the way when chosen identity is deemed more important than biological identity such that men can prey upon women again because our safe, sex segregated spaces no longer are that way.

I don't believe there is any privacy in the universe as there is a belief system which dictates we are living under observed determinism, by many different consciousness types.

How can one accept this when to be watched is to be molested..or changed? Simply being observed modifies behavior..I have a finger to send an appropriate message to my 'observers'.

a reply to: ketsuko
I hear you, Loud and clear. Something must be done about that. Perhaps a 3rd checkbox is in order: Consensus gender.
Which probably would default to something more desirable for all of what you have given examples for.

Thank you, I understand.

originally posted by: didntasktobeborned

I don't believe there is any privacy in the universe as there is a belief system which dictates we are living under observed determinism, by many different consciousness types.

How can one accept this when to be watched is to be molested..or changed? Simply being observed modifies behavior..I have a finger to send an appropriate message to my 'observers'.

UserID Checks out.
Honestly, I have empathy for your situation and request for privacy, I believe its up to us whether we want this or not, But in some cases I believe certain people are under constant observation, those who have witnessed close encounters, etc.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

From these studies, he answer is 'yes' from many chemical disruptors.

Three distinct forms of intersex were noted in gonads of 11.6% of fish examined: ovo-testis, consisting of scattered spermatic cysts in predominantly immature ovary (3.9%); testis-ova, consisting of ovarian lamellae projecting from a predominantly immature testes (4.7%); and zonal distribution, consisting of multiple, nearly-homogenous pockets of either testicular or ovarian tissues along the gonad (3%). The hormone profile in fish with ovo-testis was similar to that of immature males, while the hormone profile in fish with testis-ova was similar to that of immature females. The relatively high prevalence of intersex raises concerns regarding potential reproductive effects and long-term impacts on shortnose sturgeon in the Delaware River.

onlinelibrary.wiley.com...

and

The classic example is diethylstilbestrol, or DES. The oestrogen-like drug was administered to millions of pregnant women between 1948 and 1971 to prevent spontaneous abortions. But it upset the delicate hormonal balance in the womb and ended up causing genital defects in many of the women's children, including vaginal deformities in girls and undescended testicles and abnormally small penises in boys. In the past decade, scientists have found that the number of environmental contaminants with oestrogen-like properties is much greater than they had imagined. The list includes: (a) DDE, a contaminant in dicolfol, an insecticide sprayed on food crops in the USA. (DDE is also the major breakdown product of DDT, an insecticide that is banned in some countries but still in wide use around the world); (b) Nonylphenols and related compounds found in spermaticides, hair colouring products and other toiletries plastic wrappings, furniture polish, herbicides and pesticides; (c) Polychlorinated biphenyls, a family of chlorine-containing industrial compounds, not longer made in certain countries but still in use. They have become widespread contaminants in food and water and are commonly found in human fat tissue and breast milk; (d) Endosulfan, a pesticide used on vegetables; (e) Bis-phenol-A, a breakdown product of polycarbonate plastics from which many plastic water jugs and baby bottles are made.

encyclopedia.uia.org...

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Asmodeus3

From these studies, he answer is 'yes' from many chemical disruptors.

Three distinct forms of intersex were noted in gonads of 11.6% of fish examined: ovo-testis, consisting of scattered spermatic cysts in predominantly immature ovary (3.9%); testis-ova, consisting of ovarian lamellae projecting from a predominantly immature testes (4.7%); and zonal distribution, consisting of multiple, nearly-homogenous pockets of either testicular or ovarian tissues along the gonad (3%). The hormone profile in fish with ovo-testis was similar to that of immature males, while the hormone profile in fish with testis-ova was similar to that of immature females. The relatively high prevalence of intersex raises concerns regarding potential reproductive effects and long-term impacts on shortnose sturgeon in the Delaware River.

onlinelibrary.wiley.com...

and

The classic example is diethylstilbestrol, or DES. The oestrogen-like drug was administered to millions of pregnant women between 1948 and 1971 to prevent spontaneous abortions. But it upset the delicate hormonal balance in the womb and ended up causing genital defects in many of the women's children, including vaginal deformities in girls and undescended testicles and abnormally small penises in boys. In the past decade, scientists have found that the number of environmental contaminants with oestrogen-like properties is much greater than they had imagined. The list includes: (a) DDE, a contaminant in dicolfol, an insecticide sprayed on food crops in the USA. (DDE is also the major breakdown product of DDT, an insecticide that is banned in some countries but still in wide use around the world); (b) Nonylphenols and related compounds found in spermaticides, hair colouring products and other toiletries plastic wrappings, furniture polish, herbicides and pesticides; (c) Polychlorinated biphenyls, a family of chlorine-containing industrial compounds, not longer made in certain countries but still in use. They have become widespread contaminants in food and water and are commonly found in human fat tissue and breast milk; (d) Endosulfan, a pesticide used on vegetables; (e) Bis-phenol-A, a breakdown product of polycarbonate plastics from which many plastic water jugs and baby bottles are made.

encyclopedia.uia.org...

So you are saying you can change your biological sex?

Do you know what determined biological sex?

By the way intersex isn't a third biological sex and has nothing to do with transgenderism. It's a serious condition and it's called a DSD or sex development disorder. And it's a rare condition.
In addition, there are are no mammal true hermaphrodites.

a reply to: 47Cide

There is no biological gender but only biological sex.

Sex is a biological reality.
Gender identity is a fantasy.

We are not getting baited. That's not true.

One can identify as they wish but that doesn't make what they claim true. A man will always be a man and a woman will always be a woman.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

Well, you are free to dismiss or believe whatever you want, it is what it is.

It’s my girl penis.

A very ignorant statement made to justify an agenda.

The persona put forth by any individual can’t be forced or compelled to be believed.

Compelled speech or forced acceptance of something is clearly not correct.

Making laws to do such is also not correct.

Your rights end where mine begin and to think that I have to accept your definition of your life is an example of where your rights end and mine begin.

You can’t compel me to believe something that I don’t want to believe.

originally posted by: ConcernedCanadian
a reply to: Asmodeus3
You're off my reading list.

tse4.mm.bing.net...

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
IThe gender of a human being is a direct consequence of its biological sex.

not really though. usually yes to some degree. but if you strip away the cultural overlay of tradition as it relates to gender expression you're not left with very significant stuff for the most part.

i mean if you really look at the process a fetus goes through in the womb to derive biological sex.. different hormones at play in the body and in the brain. processes going on that have been known to sometimes become asynchronous, or one happens and the other doesn't. intersex folk are a not insignificant amount of the population. and if you think, this is just what science has found out so far, how much is still unknown? and who is so invested in messaging that biology is SIMPLE and STRAIGHTFORWARD when it's anything but?

hint: people who want to control how you think and feel and act, to make sure everyone stays in their little assigned gender boxes and makes their little culturally prescribed family units, and keep society running nice and orderly for the profit machine.

you asked what do you think -- that's what i think. cheers

originally posted by: fiverx313
in their little assigned gender boxes
and makes their little culturally
prescribed family units, and keep
society running nice and orderly
for the profit machine.

Fact Of Life
There are those with Fallopian Tubes
and
There are those with Sperm
Why do you equate a natural fact of life as
"profit" . . . speak for yourself

_______________

originally posted by: musicismagic
CRAZY SAYS AS CRAZY SAYS.,,

IMO, priority #1 should be removing those in power who want to damage our children.

Joe Biden’s Assistant Secretary of Health’s leading mission from day one has been pushing the normalization of transgenderism in our nation’s children.

This time, however, Rachel Levine wants America’s physicians to serve as propaganda merchants for his dangerous goal.

Evil in Officer's clothing: www.thegatewaypundit.com...

This sh'it must .!