Biological sex & gender identity

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Well, you are free to dismiss or believe whatever you want, it is what it is.

I don't have a belief in this matter.
Biological sex is an immutable characteristic and cannot change. The links you have given don't support your claims earlier.

Intersex isn't a third biological sex but a sex development disorder and has nothing to do with transgenderism.

Can you point to me a case of a human who was born a man/woman and they changed their biological sex?

You seem to be conflating sex with gender identity.
One is a biological reality, the other is a fantasy.

Biological sex is determined by the Y chromosome only and nothing else.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

you do, you just don't share their religious beliefs..

I grew up in 70s Brighton, even now England's most godless place . i went to a religious school and there is a vast difference between the godless and the religious.. In that strange mix and at that time (70s) some of the teachers where Christian tankies and i don't do compelled speech as I was beaten by the nuns for not complying with their compelled speech.

Being in Brighton where 1 in 3 where said to be homosexual, at school we had those who were openly homosexual, transexual and those who crossdressed, this was dealt with by aggressively policed sex based stereotypes, want to play with the boys or girls then you wore that uniform, used those toilets, did those sports and went to those classes no deviation was allowed from the stereotypes.. English schools can be very funny about uniforms back then, right down to the right colour/type of school undies.

among all that I had a fantastic history teacher (total feminist rebel) she focused on getting us to think/see how the Victorian interpretation of christianity had damaged women the world over by projecting their insecurities onto all women then exporting it across the world.. looking at Victorian christianity through that lens it made it easy to see that period as one of the lowest in terms of rights for women, and it looks like America is now exporting a similar version..

what was inside those school walls was at odds with the vibrant non religious place I grew up in, a place that engendered shared values, tolerance and plurality all of which has gone as my birth town now looks like the inside of the prison not the outside.

this is a long winded way of saying you'll have to learn to negotiate around this as like its Victorian sibling it'll be around a while yet.

though I am keen to see how it negotiates meeting the feminists here on Terf island as the Romans and then Vatican fell at that hurdle..

a reply to: nickyw

I certainly don't share their religious beliefs especially when it comes to basic facts.

Stating that biological is an immutable characteristic is far from being a belief. I have actually asked to be pointed out to a case where biological sex has been changed due to a series of interventions. But I don't think you can find one given that sex depends on Y only.

Should we not be thankful we are being led on the path to assimilation with their 8 gendered God?

a reply to: Asmodeus3

Do males have functional ovaries?

Do females have functional scrotums?

No, they do not.

God didn't make mistakes, when creating human.

Stop acting like politicians know more...

a reply to: Asmodeus3

you're backing up why i tend to say this is transubstantiation where one thing magically transforms into another if it did then christianity would be the religion of cannibals.

its not a religion for cannibals because we know that using words does not turn bread into human flesh and if we had that kind of power, then healing sickness and stopping starvation seem like bigger priorities to being able to choose between girl mode and boy mode..

a reply to: nickyw

the thing in recognising this as a religious conflict is to accept the wider danger it presents, we've already seen incidents where trans activists came close to burning down a store filled with women on a GC book launch, to calls to throw GC women speakers in the rivers and others to arm trans in the face of GC women speaking.

We've very much been here before.. this is escalating and it risks being the topic that kills what little plurality and tolerance is left in the West as we lurch towards the extremes..

originally posted by: ADVISOR
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Do males have functional ovaries?

Do females have functional scrotums?

No, they do not.

God didn't make mistakes, when creating human.

Stop acting like politicians know more...

There are some conditions which are very rare where some individuals may have mixed characteristics, commonly known as intersex. However intersex is a sex development disorder and a third biological sex. It's a disease in a few words. Biological males/females having a range of mixed characteristics, however they are still biological males/females.

There are attempts to argue about transgenderism in terms of rare disorders which have nothing to do with being a transgender. Transgender people are not intersex. One is a choice the other is a sex disorder.

a reply to: schaan


There are more genders than 8 according to the gender ideology.

Make up anything you want and they will promote it as fact as long as you believe there are multiple genders and can help their sales.

originally posted by: nickyw
a reply to: nickyw

the thing in recognising this as a religious conflict is to accept the wider danger it presents, we've already seen incidents where trans activists came close to burning down a store filled with women on a GC book launch, to calls to throw GC women speakers in the rivers and others to arm trans in the face of GC women speaking.

We've very much been here before.. this is escalating and it risks being the topic that kills what little plurality and tolerance is left in the West as we lurch towards the extremes..

Equally important are the attempts by these activists and those who profit from them to indoctrinate young children,teenagers, and young adults, in schools and universities where a range of unsubstantiated claims are taught as facts.

Indoctrination is very powerful as you know.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

indoctrination is a powerful tool but works best within a singular context so the outside world should match the ideological or religious prison being built. if it doesn't then its not going to work out. Hollywood is littered with examples from my early teen years footloose is the obvious example.

much of this is pure establishment control and kids tend to do rebellion, my experience is of tankies creating capitalists, the religious creating the non religious and the repressed created the adventurous.. i tend to think of myself as a non religious but adventurous capitalist.. or that questioning little sh*t to my teachers..

Teachers want little conformists to preach to which is why they loved to mask kids but that'll just amplify resentment..

now mix that resentment with anger that we live in a non fictional world, as no matter what this isn't an Ian banks culture novel where you can change sex by simply willing yourself to change.

not sure where it'll go from here as it's getting harder to make the outside of the prison look like the inside

originally posted by: nickyw
a reply to: Asmodeus3

indoctrination is a powerful tool but works best within a singular context so the outside world should match the ideological or religious prison being built. if it doesn't then its not going to work out. Hollywood is littered with examples from my early teen years footloose is the obvious example.

much of this is pure establishment control and kids tend to do rebellion, my experience is of tankies creating capitalists, the religious creating the non religious and the repressed created the adventurous.. i tend to think of myself as a non religious but adventurous capitalist.. or that questioning little sh*t to my teachers..

Teachers want little conformists to preach to which is why they loved to mask kids but that'll just amplify resentment..

now mix that resentment with anger that we live in a non fictional world, as no matter what this isn't an Ian banks culture novel where you can change sex by simply willing yourself to change.

not sure where it'll go from here as it's getting harder to make the outside of the prison look like the inside

These go hand by hand, I mean what the outside is and what is going on in the little classroom. A classical example is the spread of the gender and transgender ideologies. I am sure you remember that 20 years or 30 years ago nobody would have identified as non-binary and other nonsensical terms used to describe gender identity.

If you have claimed that a man can become a woman and vice versa then questions would have been raised in terms of how sane you are. Now this is a matter of gender identity...

You can't have teaching without conformism from the little ones. But there is still a difference between trying to teach one and indoctrinate them.

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Asmodeus3

From these studies, he answer is 'yes' from many chemical disruptors.

No. Just no. Stop it.

The day that you can present someone that was born biologically male, who can change to the extent they can be impregnated by another biological male, carry the pregnancy to term, then give birth - or someone who was born biologically female who becomes capable of impregnating a biological female who then gives birth to a healthy human baby - then and only then will your delusions achieve the status of being discussion worthy.

If you can't understand the difference between genetic defects/deformities, and an actual changing of the sex from male to female (or vice versa), then you are incapable of discussing the subject with anything approaching rationality.

Trans ideology is fundamentally just an attempt by those suffering from a mental illness to make themselves feel better.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Asmodeus3

From these studies, he answer is 'yes' from many chemical disruptors.

No. Just no. Stop it.

The day that you can present someone that was born biologically male, who can change to the extent they can be impregnated by another biological male, carry the pregnancy to term, then give birth - or someone who was born biologically female who becomes capable of impregnating a biological female who then gives birth to a healthy human baby - then and only then will your delusions achieve the status of being discussion worthy.

If you can't understand the difference between genetic defects/deformities, and an actual changing of the sex from male to female (or vice versa), then you are incapable of discussing the subject with anything approaching rationality.

Trans ideology is fundamentally just an attempt by those suffering from a mental illness to make themselves feel better.

Well said for once more! Although I have answered analytically to the member above.

Biological sex is an immutable characteristic and hence cannot change. It entirely depends on the Y chromosome.

They are mixing up transgenderism with intersex and other sex development disorders they are trying to argue about transgenderism on the basis of these disorders. It's just outrageous!


They don't realise that intersex people are still biologically male/female who have mixed characteristics and a serious of other heath issues.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Asmodeus3

From these studies, he answer is 'yes' from many chemical disruptors.

No. Just no. Stop it.

The day that you can present someone that was born biologically male, who can change to the extent they can be impregnated by another biological male, carry the pregnancy to term, then give birth - or someone who was born biologically female who becomes capable of impregnating a biological female who then gives birth to a healthy human baby - then and only then will your delusions achieve the status of being discussion worthy.

If you can't understand the difference between genetic defects/deformities, and an actual changing of the sex from male to female (or vice versa), then you are incapable of discussing the subject with anything approaching rationality.

Trans ideology is fundamentally just an attempt by those suffering from a mental illness to make themselves feel better.

And if you can't understand what a biological sex and hormone disruptor scientific study is relating, such as the study I posted where they are discussing 'intersex' than you are incapable of discussing anything that is evidence-based. As for gender identity more data and studies are required because this is new and needs exploring.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Meaning of intersex:

Intersex is a group of conditions in which there is a discrepancy between the external genitals and the internal genitals (the testes and ovaries). The older term for this condition is hermaphroditism

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Well, you are free to dismiss or believe whatever you want, it is what it is.

I don't have a belief in this matter.
Biological sex is an immutable characteristic and cannot change. The links you have given don't support your claims earlier.

Intersex isn't a third biological sex but a sex development disorder and has nothing to do with transgenderism.

Can you point to me a case of a human who was born a man/woman and they changed their biological sex?

You seem to be conflating sex with gender identity.
One is a biological reality, the other is a fantasy.

Biological sex is determined by the Y chromosome only and nothing else.

Well the newest studies are pointing to a different explanation, but more studies are needed on people.

The establishment of gender identity is a complex phenomenon and the diversity of gender expression argues against a simple or unitary explanation. For this reason, the extent to which it is determined by social vs biological (ie, genes and hormones) factors continues to be debated vigorously. The biological basis of gender identity cannot be modelled in animals and is best studied in people who identify with a gender that is different from the sex of their genitals, in particular transsexual people. Several extensive reviews by Dick Swaab and coworkers elaborate the current evidence for an array of prenatal factors that influence gender identity, including genes and hormones.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

So don't jump to conclusions.

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: tanstaafl
And if you can't understand what a biological sex and hormone disruptor scientific study is relating, such as the study I posted where they are discussing 'intersex'

I understand it perfectly well, you are the one who doesn't.

Can they reproduce in both male and female capacities?

Intersex is just a fancy word for a birth defect/deformity, nothing more. It is not a different sex. It is a DEFECT - and yes, they can be caused by many things, including hormone disruptors.

a reply to: quintessentone

You’re too funny, how can anyone take this seriously.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Well, you are free to dismiss or believe whatever you want, it is what it is.

I don't have a belief in this matter.
Biological sex is an immutable characteristic and cannot change. The links you have given don't support your claims earlier.

Intersex isn't a third biological sex but a sex development disorder and has nothing to do with transgenderism.

Can you point to me a case of a human who was born a man/woman and they changed their biological sex?

You seem to be conflating sex with gender identity.
One is a biological reality, the other is a fantasy.

Biological sex is determined by the Y chromosome only and nothing else.

Well the newest studies are pointing to a different explanation, but more studies are needed on people.

The establishment of gender identity is a complex phenomenon and the diversity of gender expression argues against a simple or unitary explanation. For this reason, the extent to which it is determined by social vs biological (ie, genes and hormones) factors continues to be debated vigorously. The biological basis of gender identity cannot be modelled in animals and is best studied in people who identify with a gender that is different from the sex of their genitals, in particular transsexual people. Several extensive reviews by Dick Swaab and coworkers elaborate the current evidence for an array of prenatal factors that influence gender identity, including genes and hormones.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

So don't jump to conclusions.

Do you know what determines biological sex?
It's the Y chromosome only. Its presence implies a biological male and its absence implies a biological female.

What new studies point to a different direction??

This is a well established fact not a hypothesis or on table for debate.

Can you point me to one case where a child, teenager, or adult human, have changed their biological sex? Either naturally or through a series of medical interventions.

As pointed out earlier intersex belongs to the group of disorders of sex development, commonly known as DSD and is a disease in a few words and not a different biological sex.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Well, you are free to dismiss or believe whatever you want, it is what it is.

I don't have a belief in this matter.
Biological sex is an immutable characteristic and cannot change. The links you have given don't support your claims earlier.

Intersex isn't a third biological sex but a sex development disorder and has nothing to do with transgenderism.

Can you point to me a case of a human who was born a man/woman and they changed their biological sex?

You seem to be conflating sex with gender identity.
One is a biological reality, the other is a fantasy.

Biological sex is determined by the Y chromosome only and nothing else.

Well the newest studies are pointing to a different explanation, but more studies are needed on people.

The establishment of gender identity is a complex phenomenon and the diversity of gender expression argues against a simple or unitary explanation. For this reason, the extent to which it is determined by social vs biological (ie, genes and hormones) factors continues to be debated vigorously. The biological basis of gender identity cannot be modelled in animals and is best studied in people who identify with a gender that is different from the sex of their genitals, in particular transsexual people. Several extensive reviews by Dick Swaab and coworkers elaborate the current evidence for an array of prenatal factors that influence gender identity, including genes and hormones.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

So don't jump to conclusions.

Do you know what determines biological sex?
It's the Y chromosome only. Its presence implies a biological male and its absence implies a biological female.

What new studies point to a different direction??

This is a well established fact not a hypothesis or on table for debate.

Can you point me to one case where a child, teenager, or adult human, have changed their biological sex? Either naturally or through a series of medical interventions.

Who uses Y & X anymore? Except those trying to hold on to once was.

Think gender comes down to X and Y chromosomes? Think again

For many people, biology defines sex, and sex is always a binary affair. Sure, postmodernists have been playing with the concept of gender for decades, but sex, well, sex is sacred, which means you're either biologically male or female. But never both. Or neither.

But biology doesn't work that way. Biological phenomena don't necessarily fit into human-ordained binary categories. So while humans insist that you're either male or female – that you have either XY or XX sex chromosomes – biology begs to differ.

For example, genetic men with Klinefelter syndrome possess an extra X chromosome (XXY) or more rarely, two or three extra Xs (XXXY, XXXXY); they typically produce low levels of testosterone, leading to less-developed masculine sexual characteristics and more-developed feminine characteristics than other men. In contrast, some men receive an extra Y chromosome (XYY) in the genetic lottery, and while they have been referred to as "supermales" that is more sensationalism than science.

www.theglobeandmail.com...