Internal chatter

a reply to: ketsuko

I drive a manual to force myself to concentrate. Too easy for me to get lost in thought.

I used to think I have ADHD, and maybe to a degree I do. But over time I just realized I have to engineer how I go about things to set myself up for success.

While some may view it as a weakness, I’ve found it can be a strength as long as I’m aware of it and mitigate it.

The jobs I’ve performed best at had chaos. Idle time is what gets me.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

I've always thought people are just the universe manifesting a way to understand itself. We're all the eyes of creation so to speak, just seen through a different lens, with evolution being the lessons we've learned.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: ketsuko

I drive a manual to force myself to concentrate. Too easy for me to get lost in thought.

I used to think I have ADHD, and maybe to a degree I do. But over time I just realized I have to engineer how I go about things to set myself up for success.

While some may view it as a weakness, I’ve found it can be a strength as long as I’m aware of it and mitigate it.

The jobs I’ve performed best at had chaos. Idle time is what gets me.

I definitely wouldn't say I have ADHD, but I find chaos far more easy to operate in than rigid systems. I don't know if I've ever experienced truly idle time, but if the work isn't requiring much I fill the space with other thoughts.

I too have many voices though I think they're more like data streams, but have a chairman of the committee that moderates my outward responses. I think operating in chaos or crisis will increase your ability to tune out less advantageous voices over time in addition to the immediate benefits to your focus.

I suspect some of them operate in the subconscious even when not actively taking up computational bandwidth in my conscious mind. That ties in with and would explain what Grenade has mentioned of spontaneous solutions/thoughts appearing from the ether.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: KindraLabelle2

did they actually mean it? or was it said as a joke?

They meant it. My mother actually had the preacher exercise me of demons a few times.

My "inner voice" scarred them. It questioned if Jesus really existed, since Santa was a lie. It questioned how a loving God could send Simon and Garfunkle and my atheist grandparents to Hell.

My family and our preacher heard "inner voices" too, but their voices didn't question things. Their voices were, therefore, from Jesus. Mine were obviously from Satan. The Devil lived inside my head, or so I was told.

Your parents were never taught that those who do not know Jesus get a chance to do so before the white throne judgement eh? Hell does not open until then from what I understand.

a reply to: Ksihkehe

it’s like the old adage of the demon and angel on either shoulder with us in between.

All three with separate views, desires, and purpose. Even if you believe in good and evil, sometimes to defeat evil you have to have a monster you can unlock.

The manifestation of that old tale may not be the same in everyone, but in some cases I don’t see why it can’t be an almost literal representation, and healthy at that.

To a degree, we’re born an empty slate with some inherited memories. Through life our brain builds a neural network, and how would it not make sense that we all do so in different ways. We all have to compartmentalize certain things so that we can be effective at vastly different tasks.

Some would say it’s insane or multiple personality disorders. But most of us have multiple personalities. Friend self, family self, work self, ect.

The only thing unhealthy about it is ignoring or denying it IMO.

If there was a genie we could wish to that all people thought exactly the same, and at best the world would be boring. At worst they’d die off because they didn’t have the capacity to navigate certain issues.

It makes me wonder if mutations happen by design. Some species have survived solely because of mutations. One of the biggest threats is lack of genetic diversity.

It doesn't happen often but sometimes my inner voice talks with my girlfriends inner voice and between the inner and outer voices all talking at the same time it get complicated, not to mention distracting. Sometimes I think they are conspiring against us.

We give them alcohol and drugs to make them shutup when we want to have private moments.

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: MykeNukem

originally posted by: JinMI
Now I'm really curious if anyone here doesn't.


I mean, it takes a certain measure of balls and brains to come to this site and post.

Balls and/or brains you mean?

Sorry, my inner voice told me to post that...

Well, you're a Troglodyte, soo.......

Innit amazing how often those two are misconstrued?

Not just any troglodyte though, the troggliest...

a reply to: CriticalStinker

One of the concerns people have when we talk about how we think is normality. Any time the internal monologue vs other ways of thinking come up, after the almost shock all parties have to hear the different kinds, you’ll see people try to find other who think the same as them for validation or a sense of normality. The internal monologue people seem to be a bit more apprehensive as there’s a line between your voice and other voices, so people don’t want to feel crazy.

We're all the same but different.
I like to find the similarities to get a better scale of the difference. It's some sort of logic but it doesn't beat intuition...

Your sister story rang a bell about planting seeds in the mind, it's why I threw my baby memories story out there.
The likes of anxiety and the thought processes that can be adopted which are negative is something I describe as the reptilian brain. It's turning the naturally manual human brain into an automatic one. When I talk about anxiety problems with people I don't get a sense of words or images in their mind, mine doesn't. Yet it's a regressive process we can develop unconscious thoughts and traits within. Consciousness shutting down basically. Anxiety is a great topic to drive that process home as we've all experienced it ourselves or seen it somewhere. The stupor effect.

The modern school of thought was to break negative cycles with chemicals, older ones taught that the chemicals were in the body all along. Personally I find thought processes to be the key to it all... It's why some pick shrooms, yet I get the strong inclination that to fix something is to understand it. I lean towards the idea things might not be broken at all just seen/heard unhelpfully.

I've wrote this post a few times trying to convey my thoughts. I drift too much and delete it lol.
It's all a scale, to get comfortable it's better to understand the reason for discomfort. Something I mentioned recently on ATS is my theory that stress = emotions and emotions = moods. It's how I understand the motions. Turning parts off what I consider natural cycles isn't natural I'd assume.

I clearly haven't scratched any surfaces yet, I'm still wondering on the colours underneath the reflections. As I look I do understand I've drifted into these places before. Idk if the things I glimpse are some sort of super abstract thinking or actually foreign. There's not anything I necessarily wish to see so I'm highly unlikely to form anything from experiences like that. I think.

I only mention that because when people start drifting into the external they seemingly always inspire overpowering urges, might even go nuts. I suspect it's because they don't understand the 'box' they're in. I'm blabbering so I'll stop now lol.

originally posted by: MykeNukem

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: MykeNukem

originally posted by: JinMI
Now I'm really curious if anyone here doesn't.


I mean, it takes a certain measure of balls and brains to come to this site and post.

Balls and/or brains you mean?

Sorry, my inner voice told me to post that...

Well, you're a Troglodyte, soo.......

Innit amazing how often those two are misconstrued?

Not just any troglodyte though, the troggliest...

Only capable by those from Eskimo country!

a reply to: RAY1990

I think many forms of anxiety are a defense mechanism. It’s like a light on a cars dash alerting us to do introspection and a survey on life. Until we figure out what we need it just stays on.

Edit: one of the things you mentioned in that post helped me to do all the introspection 😉 it’s the inspiration on why I find the topic so interesting

a reply to: CriticalStinker

I needn't ask.

I suspect it's why a lot of us are here one way or another.

The nursery rhyme off that Barney show drifted into my head when writing this, a bit goofy isn't it?

Intuition and nuts is a strange mix... Lol. Toying with the more "out there" things has triggered a few defence mechanisms I never knew I had or long forgot.

originally posted by: TDDAgain
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Can you visualize time in 3D space also?

Time is fairly abstract concept, but if you're asking whether I can visualize animated objects, yes I can. I said I can visualize a 3D scene, and I can but not with much detail (unless I'm dreaming). I can only visualize small objects with a lot of detail, and I usually imagine it rotating or doing some sort of motion.

a reply to: KindraLabelle2

I do have it. In fact, I think I have a few I haven't even found yet...

Years ago I was talking to a co-worker who was German. She was trying to find a word that slipped her mind. She asked her husband, also German, what the word was - in German. A thought struck me and I asked her, "Do you think in English or German?" She said she had no idea what I was talking about and couldn't grasp the idea that some people hear the words in their head as they think. That was when I discovered some people don't have that. I cant imagine how you can think without having a way of expressing or understanding the thought, even within yourself. It would be like reading and not hearing the words in your head while you do it. I don't see how that is even possible.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: KindraLabelle2

I always thought that the inner voice is your conscience and you're telling me that 50-70% of people don't have one?

WTF?

Explains so much about modern behavior though.

Mine isn't always internal. Sometimes I outright talk to myself. It gets weird when I am so absorbed in my own thoughts that I forget where I am and bust out a dialogue in front of other people.

I've done the same, it drives my husband up the wall, lol. "WTF are you talking about?? You're supposed to start conversations at the beginning of them, not midway or at the end. Am I even supposed to be included here?" Poor guy, it must be jarring sometimes XD

a reply to: CriticalStinker

Yes, I have to be very careful when I am driving. It is scary when you realize you've been so lost in thought that you realize you've driven halfway to work and don't remember having done it. That's how complacent I am about parts of my commute, and it scares me when it happens.

a reply to: KindraLabelle2

I have my entire life since childhood even as of right now. I could not imagine not being able.

a reply to: ketsuko

Haha, yeah, "drone mode". Scares me too and I actively fight it, too much going on traffic-wise.

Cheers

a reply to: ketsuko

Do you listen to the radio?

I find this only happens if something else engages my mind.

On rare occasions i'll listen to a podcast or some music however i do a lot of driving and much prefer my internal monologue, either reminiscing, reasoning, planning etc. It makes the journey go quicker and keeps me more engaged.

The problem a lot of people have with thinking is that their minds are too busy listening to the propaganda machine and the incessant noise in their brains doesn't leave much room for anything else.

Reading through all the posts here made me wonder about something,

People who think without having a visual of their thoughts, or without hearing it,
How do they 'daydream' ? Or aren't they capable of it?

I remember back in school, the teachers pulled me out of my daydreams often, when I sat in the back of the classroom completely 'zoned out', not having a clue of what was going on around me, but I know there was a whole lot going on in my thoughts.

a reply to: KindraLabelle2

Me too, i remember as a young kid i would give my toys characters and their own personalities and voices then play out scenarios with them. I preferred my imagination to the TV, i never really watched cartoons as a kid or TV as an adult. It was only when i started having relationships that i would watch movies or TV shows.