Russian soldiers crash in a foiled retreat from Kherson

Looks like the Russian retreat from Kherson is on but things didn't go smoothly for this group of soldiers as in their haste to get out of Dodge they kinda crashed their vehicle a little bit ... well a lot actually.


It's a long walk boys.

a reply to: gortex

Seen that yesterday.

Hope the wounded made it back to their own lines all the same.

The majority of the poor sods probably just want to go back home.

End of the day though they are in the wrong place for the wrong reason and should expect to take what they get.

This feels like a massive Mandela effect. Wasn't Russia a world power that could wipe out any country, now Ukraine seems to be? I'd never even heard of a coubtry called Ukraine before a few months ago, and the flag looks like a child made it. Ukraine seems cool though, but has it always been there?

a reply to: Obdurate

That was never the case, but the Warsaw Pact was estimated to have been able to through a punch or two back in the day.

NATO forces would have been hard-pushed to stop them from walking over the better part of Europe without resorting to the use of battlefield nukes.

Russian forces these days are antiquated and not exactly kept in the best of repair or even equipped with the tools they need to get the job done.

And the good tools they do have in their arsenal are in rather short supply or unable to be mass-produced in any sort of numbers.

a reply to: Obdurate

Yeah it's been there a while.

After the Russian Revolution, a Ukrainian national movement re-emerged, and formed the Ukrainian People's Republic in 1917. This short-lived state was forcibly reconstituted by the Bolsheviks into the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, which became a founding member of the Soviet Union in 1922. In the 1930s, millions of Ukrainians were killed by the Holodomor, a Stalin-era man-made famine.
en.wikipedia.org...

And it will be there a while longer once Ukrainian troops de-Nazify the invading force.

Sadly for Putin the endemic corruption that exists within his corrupt empire has taken its toll on the Russian military and now he's decided to use it he's found it's misfiring and spluttering and not running very well , of course he only has himself to blame but now his enemies within the Kremlin know that too.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: gortex


End of the day though they are in the wrong place for the wrong reason and should expect to take what they get.

Tone deaf as usual...

You make it sound like it was acceptable that Ukraine killed 13k of it's own citizens from 2014-2022. You know if my government becomes hostile towards me I'd be glad someone stepped in to help too.

Do you all not think the people in the Donbas and Crimea region deserve some form of autonomy as well? Because I rarely see the pro-NATO crowd mention the people in Ukraine who have been living in bomb shelters for the last 8 years.

The op and most participants in this thread have been successfully propagandized to dehumaniz half the Ukranian population.

a reply to: JAY1980

The op and most participants in this thread have been successfully propagandized to dehumaniz half the Ukranian population.

Manufactured consent.

MO for the west and particularly the US gov't. Some fools never learn.

a reply to: JAY1980

Tone deaf as usual...

Pardon?

Russia is in the wrong postcode son and if you cannot recognize that very salient point then you are simply not even trying.

As to internal Ukrainian matters aka problems associated with the Donbas and Crimea regions, well that's their concern really, and no need to prompt an invasion under the guise and false pretense of hunt the Nazi from Russia.

Simple as that really and hence the reason that mad bastard Putin's forces are in retreat and getting the arse handed to them right left and center.

a reply to: JAY1980

The op and most participants in this thread have been successfully propagandized to dehumaniz half the Ukranian population.

Either that or they don't soak up Russian propaganda like you seem to , it's known Russia put Wagner in the east to stoke the separatist flames following their annexation of Crimea.

All roads lead to Rome , or Russia in this case.

a reply to: JinMI

Weren't the recent so-called "Referendums" in the region "Manufactured Consent"?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

60 billion reasons.

To a country who is neither ally nor adversary.

a reply to: JinMI

Reasons for what?

a reply to: JAY1980

You make it sound like it was acceptable that Ukraine killed 13k of it's own citizens from 2014-2022. You know if my government becomes hostile towards me I'd be glad someone stepped in to help too.

And you make it sound like this just happened out of nowhere unprovoked by Ukraine.

What happened in 2014? Crimea was taken because Russia saw Ukraine were leaning into the west and were nervous the Black Sea fleet lease wouldn’t be indefinite like before. And since Crimea is a peninsula off Ukraine not physically connected to Russia, so they needed a land bridge on the east.

So a civil war gets stirred up in the east conveniently around the time Russia needs a new stretch.

Now I don’t doubt for a minute that some civilians got caught in the crossfire are even targeted for their declared allegiance… but I do find it ironic you tried calling out someone for peddling a propagandized view only to offer the inverse.

It’s far more nuanced than that. There are Russian speakers in the east (not as much of a majority as Crimea though).

Let’s be honest though, it’s rare someone gets “saved” by an imperial power. Imperial powers act on their own best interests plain and simple, the west included.

I do think it’s telling that almost no former Soviet countries want the blessings or partnership of their former colonial parent. They’re all seeking the west? Why is that? And if Ukraine saw Russia as a welcome power, why are they fighting so damn hard against it?

And I’d you’re basing your logic off of 13k in the east? How many have died since the invasion? And let me guess, that’s Ukraine’s fault for simply not surrendering.

a reply to: Obdurate

Russia has been over rated even from when they were the Soviet Union. This is one of the few times I'll agree with the people who claim things about the Military Industrial Complex.

originally posted by: Obdurate
This feels like a massive Mandela effect
I'd never even heard of a coubtry called Ukraine before a few months ago,

Andriy Shevchenko says hello, i think you are slightly obsessing over mandela today, 2 threads and now this response



first goal featured is from 1994, thats 28 years ago....quite a while

edit first video wont embed so here is another

originally posted by: JAY1980

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: gortex


End of the day though they are in the wrong place for the wrong reason and should expect to take what they get.

Tone deaf as usual...

You make it sound like it was acceptable that Ukraine killed 13k of it's own citizens from 2014-2022. You know if my government becomes hostile towards me I'd be glad someone stepped in to help too.

Do you all not think the people in the Donbas and Crimea region deserve some form of autonomy as well? Because I rarely see the pro-NATO crowd mention the people in Ukraine who have been living in bomb shelters for the last 8 years.

The op and most participants in this thread have been successfully propagandized to dehumaniz half the Ukranian population.

MSM taught them to hate Russia at all costs.

No negotiations, Just WAR.

NATO is always good, Russia is always bad.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: gortex
Hope the wounded made it back to their own lines all the same.

The majority of the poor sods probably just want to go back home.

End of the day though they are in the wrong place for the wrong reason and should expect to take what they get.

Have to agree with you there. I was in the Navy during the "Cold War". Our ship pulled into Sicily for liberty. There was a Soviet Cruiser in the same port. We were informed that in the event of an incident we would be assumed to be at fault. I'm eating Lunch at an outside café. On the other side, I see a group of Soviet sailors pooling their money together to get a few pitchers of beer. Between them they had enough for two pitchers. The Price for a pitcher was about $1.75 US. I called the waitress over, gave her the equivalent of $20 US and told her to set the sailors up. A few of them came over, one spoke some English and thanked me. Another gave me his hat, it is sitting on the shelf about 10 feet away as I write this.
I have a lot of sympathy for the Russians who have been forced into this by their Government. There are those who say that the Russians should get rid of Putin on their own. I don't think that they actually understand the concept of that.

a reply to: JIMC5499

That’s an incredible story, and you probably won over more minds with your simple act than millions worth of propaganda.

You had a human connection with some of the other sailors, and I’m sure they told that very story to their friends and family too.

It’s moments like that where we remember humans are on the other side too. And when you see it that way, it’s a lot harder to hate a large group of people simply because of where they’re born.

Put the politics aside for a moment. The Russian army has gone from the second best in the world to the second best in Ukraine. The Rhode Island National Guard could whip these guys. Russia has emptied its jails of criminals and pressed them into the army with no training, no supplies, no food, and rusty guns. They have "mobilized" the sick and elderly and thrown them into the front lines. The Russian MO, just as it was in WW II, is to use human wave tactics and shoot anyone who retreats.

It's not surprising that Russian morale is low. I feel sorry for the Russian soldiers who did not ask for this war and don't know why they are there. It's not their fault that they have a dictator on a power trip to take out Nazis who don't exist. Putin assumed this would be a 3-day cake walk. Well, surprise. It didn't turn out that way. Russia has lost in excess of 70,000 men and is importing weapons from Iran and North Korea. It is completely pathetic showing. If people weren't getting killed it would be laughable.

www.theguardian.com...

Looting in Kherson now.