Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 3

originally posted by: Kenzo

With Germany or without Germany ....

BREAKING: Polish PM @MorawieckiM : “Poland won’t passively watch Ukraine bleed to death. If Germany won’t agree on sending Leopards, we will build a "smaller coalition" of countries ready to donate some of their modern tanks to Ukraine.”

The Poles are in an exposed position and their perspective is different from the West.

“Every Pole is an expert on understanding what fighting for freedom, democracy and existential survival means. This is the case since, in our part of the world, the notion of independence means freedom from Russia.”

From the Polish perspective, the best way to prevent escalation is to provide Ukraine with the means to defeat Russian aggression. Unlike the rather restrained language of the US administration, the Polish government is quite clear in stating: “Imperialism must be stopped and defeated. Otherwise, it will be a constant threat to the free world.”

A new phase of the conflict is beginning. For Poland, it is crucial that Ukraine defeats Russian aggression. Otherwise the security of Europe as a whole, and Poland in particular, would be at risk.Why Poland is urging NATO allies to send more military aid to Ukraine

www.firstpost.com...

The new phase of the conflict seem to include the U.S. permitting Ukraine to push back into Russia.

The US is gradually changing its policy, and has signalled that it will permit Ukrainian drone attacks inside Russian territory. It also decided to provide Patriot systems to Ukraine, according to announcements in late December 2022. The training period to operate these systems has been reduced to three months.

Psychosis or just propaganda.....what ever it`s sick .

Russian State TV Host Says Country Entering 'Holy War Mode'


Solovyev and the holy war against Satanists.


Solovyev speaking allahu akbar ......he does not sound like sane person.

22 January Update

* Russian forces continued limited counterattacks to regain lost positions along the Svatove-Kreminna line on January 22. Russian sources claimed that Ukrainian forces struck an industrial facility in Kadiivka, Luhansk Oblast with HIMARS rockets.

* Russian forces continued offensive operations in the Bakhmut and the Donetsk City-Avdiivka areas.

* Russian sources claimed on January 22 that Russian forces continued offensive operations in two directions in Zaporizhia Oblast, with their main efforts focusing on Hulyaipole and Orikhiv. Head of the Ukrainian Joint Press Center of the Tavrisk Direction Defense Forces Yevhen Yerin stated on January 22 that Russian forces are not conducting large-scale operations in the Zaporizhia direction.

* Ukrainian Main Military Intelligence Directorate (GUR) Representative Andriy Yusov stated that there is currently no threat of a Russian offensive operation from Belarus and that the GUR has not observed a grouping and readiness of Russian forces in Belarus that would allow for such an operation.

More at URL above.

Cheers

a reply to: Kenzo

The dehumanising of the Ukrainians is a pretext for their extermination. Sound familiar?

Ukrainians were first thieves and criminals, soft, then Nazi's, then all gay, and now all Satanists. It's the role of Russian propaganda to dehumanise, belittle and make irrelevant a whole race of people. And Russia wants to be accepted as a civilised nation!

a reply to: paraphi


Sounds familiars yes, nazi propaganda dehumanized jews....

This is good reason to help Ukrainians defend , to prevent extermination in large scale.

a reply to: Kenzo

Yeah. Too many people want to believe that can't or won't happen. But it can.

Cheers

originally posted by: Kenzo


If Germany has truly learned from its history, it will send tanks to defend Ukraine

Because it worked out so well the last time they sent tanks over that way?

Jesus, that's some bizarre propaganda.

If they truly did learn from their history, they would want nothing to do with this war.

originally posted by: Quintilian
If they truly did learn from their history, they would want nothing to do with this war.

Yeah because eastern germany had a really great and prosperous time after WW2.

originally posted by: Quintilian

originally posted by: Kenzo


If Germany has truly learned from its history, it will send tanks to defend Ukraine

Because it worked out so well the last time they sent tanks over that way?

Jesus, that's some bizarre propaganda.

If they truly did learn from their history, they would want nothing to do with this war.

From The Guardian link sent by Kenzo:

"The lesson to learn from that history is not that German tanks should never be used against Russia, whatever the Kremlin does, but that they should be used to protect Ukrainians, who were among the greatest victims of both Hitler and Stalin...."

I am a German woman and I fully agree with the above cited quote from The Guardian.

It is true, the German government does hesitate to long.

Germany itself has by the moment 200 leopards. Its clear, we can't give them all at once to Ukraine.

But there are many leopards in several European countries.
Today in Bruxelles they are working on an agreement to gather leopards from the countries which are willing to give from their leopards to Ukraine.

It is a pity, Greece and Turkey which every one owns 500 leopards, refuse to give any of them to Ukraine.

a reply to: lotusaugen

I forgot to mention that it is discussed that about 300 leopards have to be gathered and will be sent to Ukraine.

And IMO the Ukrainians will need them to defend the coming huge Russian offensive in spring/summer 2023.

originally posted by: merka

originally posted by: Quintilian
If they truly did learn from their history, they would want nothing to do with this war.

Yeah because eastern germany had a really great and prosperous time after WW2.

An equally bizarre response.

Seems to have gone way over your head that this supports keeping their noses out of it. They better than anyone should understand the consequences of a ground war with Russia in this part of the world.

The longer the west props up this corrupt client regime to do the US's fighting for them, the more death and destruction there will be. US (or the war mongering psychos that run the place) involvement in this region for a decade or so has been with the eventual aim of collapsing Russia's economy. This hasn't just failed so far, for the most part it has backfired.

In the meantime innocent civilians are suffering and or being displaced, as happens in all wars. Not to mention troop losses. All because US fears the waning of its hegemony.

originally posted by: lotusaugen

originally posted by: Quintilian

originally posted by: Kenzo


If Germany has truly learned from its history, it will send tanks to defend Ukraine

Because it worked out so well the last time they sent tanks over that way?

Jesus, that's some bizarre propaganda.

If they truly did learn from their history, they would want nothing to do with this war.

From The Guardian link sent by Kenzo:

"The lesson to learn from that history is not that German tanks should never be used against Russia, whatever the Kremlin does, but that they should be used to protect Ukrainians, who were among the greatest victims of both Hitler and Stalin...."

I am a German woman and I fully agree with the above cited quote from The Guardian.

It is true, the German government does hesitate to long.

Germany itself has by the moment 200 leopards. Its clear, we can't give them all at once to Ukraine.

But there are many leopards in several European countries.
Today in Bruxelles they are working on an agreement to gather leopards from the countries which are willing to give from their leopards to Ukraine.

It is a pity, Greece and Turkey which every one owns 500 leopards, refuse to give any of them to Ukraine.

Going by your war mongering attitude, it seems history really is lost on you unfortunately.

War is the ultimate expression of human psychopathy and as a pass time is based on principles of cowardice. Bravery being rare enough that it's given ceremony (unless from the US when you will get a purple heart for kicking your toe).

It would be better if leaders and the relevant parts of their cabinet formed the front lines. Along with those who sit back and cheerlead while quaffing propaganda like cheap liquor.

It's ironic that a former NAZI state is once again being steered towards war (lebensraum 2?) in this region. By the very state that the NAZI's openly admired and also quite openly used as a model for their own war mongering and genocide (the US).

Ugh... a more clear idea of what ruZZia and their leadership/elites want from all this.



Live in squalor, but be feared by all and strike out at anyone who challenges your allusions of strength... strange dream to have.

originally posted by: Quintilian
It's ironic that a former NAZI state is once again being steered towards war (lebensraum 2?) in this region. By the very state that the NAZI's openly admired and also quite openly used as a model for their own war mongering and genocide (the US).

You clearly dont know what Lebensraum is/was... since Germany giving weapon aid to a country that needs it isnt even in the same ball park of Lebensraum.

a reply to: Quintilian
Yes you're right of course. Tell Putin to take his killing machine back home and end this terrible mess 👍

originally posted by: BigfootNZ

You clearly dont know what Lebensraum is/was... since Germany giving weapon aid to a country that needs it isnt even in the same ball park of Lebensraum.

...and you clearly don't understand irony. Nor the meaning of terms such as "steered towards".

Quite clearly this episode is about US corporations gaining control of Russia's natural resources (while also undermining the German economy). This is likely to backfire and has caused a huge backlash already that people are ignoring. If BRICS+ really get's going (and their is interest from places like the SAUDIs, Indonesia and various emerging economies) it will control the majority of such resources (particularly oil) and be traded in their own (non fiat) currency. Bye bye US sanctions in any meaningful sense (they already are laughed at by some), bye bye US hegemony if and when this happens. This could plausibly happen by the end of this decade.

a reply to: Quintilian

it seems history really is lost on you unfortunately.

Lol..that's some irony right there!!!!!

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: Quintilian

it seems history really is lost on you unfortunately.

Lol..that's some irony right there!!!!!

Seems irony isn't your thing.

originally posted by: vance
a reply to: Quintilian
Yes you're right of course. Tell Putin to take his killing machine back home and end this terrible mess 👍

Seems he was willing to do that last April after the Ankara meetings. Before US lapdog BoJo scuppered the whole thing.

Then again it wouldn't have happened at all if the west and Ukraine abided by the agreements already in place. War with the aim of collapsing the Russian economy (while also undermining Germany) was always the plan here.

originally posted by: Quintilian

originally posted by: BigfootNZ

You clearly dont know what Lebensraum is/was... since Germany giving weapon aid to a country that needs it isnt even in the same ball park of Lebensraum.

...and you clearly don't understand irony. Nor the meaning of terms such as "steered towards".

Quite clearly this episode is about US corporations gaining control of Russia's natural resources (while also undermining the German economy). This is likely to backfire and has caused a huge backlash already that people are ignoring. If BRICS+ really get's going (and their is interest from places like the SAUDIs, Indonesia and various emerging economies) it will control the majority of such resources (particularly oil) and be traded in their own (non fiat) currency. Bye bye US sanctions in any meaningful sense (they already are laughed at by some), bye bye US hegemony if and when this happens. This could plausibly happen by the end of this decade.

You used the words 'Lebensraum 2', meaning that is what you believe they were being 'steered towards'... which they arent, since this is nothing even remotely like Lebensraum. And no one is steering anyone towards anything, Ukraine wants, asks for and needs weapons to defend itself from an unjustified attacker, how is friends and allies giving them what they require 'steering towards', Germany isnt at war with ruZZia, America isnt at war with ruZZia, what they are with is standing behind in support of those in a conflict they see as morally wrong and unjustified. Germany is faltering and delaying on its promises for some rather shameful reasons, how is putting pressure on them to full fill those promises to someone in serious need 'steering towards'?

What attempt to gain ruZZian resources?.. all Ukrainians allies want is ruZZia to piss off back to its pre invasion borders, or pre 2014 borders... what resources are they taking, all thats happening in that situation is Ukraine getting back what ruZZia took from them in the last 8+ years and most importantly what they've taken the last year. What ruZZIan resources does that entail?

Sanctions are an attempt to put pressure on ruZZia in its funding aggresion, and what US hegemony? USA hasnt been in a real position like that for a long time.

Everything you say is carbon copy bollocks straight from every ruZZian media talking point ive watched, given your very young account and content you have to be a ruZZian bot.