Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 3

originally posted by: stu119
Looks like Ukraine did shoot down the plane supposedly carrying Ukraine POW's.

If that can be corroborated and let's face it, it would have been with a missile supplied by the West, this gives more reason for some parties to continue to push for funding to be withheld from Ukraine given how reckless they are becoming.

Who knows. But it wouldn’t be the first time Russia offed Ukraine POWs with murder then blamed it on Ukraine. Referring to Olenivka prison massacre.


And it wouldn’t be the first time Russia and its cronies showdown a jet by mistake such as MH17 and tried to blame it on Ukraine.

Ukrainians has Project FURY , which wants to create Autonomous Underwater Vehicles (AUVs) with the help of Western know-how .


Exclusive: New Ukrainian Underwater Drone Project To Dominate The Black Sea


That would be big trouble for Russian black sea fleet

24 January Update

A Russian Il-76 military transport aircraft crashed in Belgorod Oblast on January 24. Geolocated footage posted by various Russian sources shows the Il-76 crashing in Yablonovo, Belgorod Oblast (about 50km northeast of Belgorod City). . . . Senior Russian propagandist and Editor-in-Chief of state-controlled outlet RT Margarita Simonyan published a list of the names of the Ukrainian POWs supposedly on the flight, but several Russian and Ukrainian sources noted that at least one of the alleged POWs had already been exchanged in a previous POW swap on January 3. (Me:
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NATO announced on January 24 that the Steadfast Defender 2024 exercises have started and will run until May 31, 2024. NATO reported that the exercises will occur in the High North, Central Europe, and Eastern Europe.

Positional engagements continued throughout the theater.

More at URL above.

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Ok regarding the IL-76 that was shot down over russia .


Some views about it, in this X page .

Sofia Ukraini X


If some of the POWs in the Russian list has been back in Ukraine Weeks ago , it really smell like Russian lie ...surpriced ?

This was posted in X :

david D

ok after what i have seen in the last few days i agree with @JeffFisch .

the UKRAF looks like it is sneaking german style patriot launchers to the front line and doing raids with them.

sneak in, quick shoot, haul ass out of the area. this is the most audacious use of a high alt long range system i have ever seen....

what they have done is take a strategic air defense system you normally need about 2-3sq KM to set up and run... and turned it into a long range stinger system. amazing. this goes against every book ever written about ADA employment... and its working. you can not do this with the american type system as easily. doing so now pushes the front line back for russia 130 to 160 KM...

as a former ADA guy the idea of a patriot system close to the front lines like that was nearly unthinkable... but with the german type system its doable.

The German patriot version is more mobile as it`s in truck .

American:


German:

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: Arbitrageur

I read an article talking about the damage those north Korean rounds are doing to the artillery peace between misfires and even reported blowing up in the barrel. You have to figure north Korea has little to no quality control.

As for support of Ukraine I figure if Trump gets in office he will see it as a waste of money. The US gets nothing out the deal other than weakening a possible threat. But at this point Russia has proved they are very little threat to the west. There arms industry has collapsed. They no longer have any real products to export. The economy is in deep trouble as they even raided pension funds and soon will be unable to pay grandma her retirement money. To make matters worse women are wanting their guys to return home. Protests against the war are starting and I don't think Putin can maintain the status quo ao something big is going to happen.

The general rhetoric about protests potentially starting in Russia has always been there, especially during the Wagner (one of the top PMC’s in the world) situation last summer, which some people thought would cause anarchy and chaos in Russia etc etc.

Yet, we all saw it end within a couple hours?

Putin’s popularity is high, and is most likely getting reelected.

Also, there’s the aspect about some of the Ukrainian strikes within Russia, which the trade off on some of them seem to achieve nothing more than some PR points in msm etc, either way it seems it only embolden the people in Russia further to be united more.

Again, you can take Putin out of the equation, but that doesn’t mean the people in Russia are just going to clap their hands and walk away from this. With how much was put in and what’s on the line now.

They’re not walking away giving up Donbass, much less Crimea now.

It’s not just the general Russian population that sees this, but others around the world that look at it from a non anti Russian/biased view against them. And see it from a full spectrum point of view.

I don’t think Russia is in the business to get rid of Putin, and replace him with another drunken Yeltsin to get taken advantage of by Clinton right now for example.

a reply to: Imhere

"Putin’s popularity is high, and is most likely getting reelected."

Probably because any political rivals/critics tend to get murdered or imprisoned.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Imhere

"Putin’s popularity is high, and is most likely getting reelected."

Probably because any political rivals/critics tend to get murdered or imprisoned.

^ This to any Ivans on here.
Russia has no real elections , its just an excercise.

Most people .. you know the masses who have no say ..

Are sick and tired of War and confrontation.

# all leaders

a reply to: Imhere

How do you know what the Russian population might think?

a reply to: rigel4

no nation has real elections, the whole #in lot is staged and corrupt
democracy is an illusion

a reply to: sapien1982

How might elections in the UK not be real?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

I think the whole lot is just staged to placate us

and make us believe we have a choice in the system

a reply to: sapien1982

I understand your healthy cynicism but I'm not seeing anything of the sort here.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Russia has to have strong permanent leadership because the West is forever doing what the West does and wants to divide Russia up into easily digestible parcels. Let's face it you can't have the masses living in cheap apartments with subsidised heating or poor pensioners will not die off and cease to be a burden on the state. It is coming to the point where only idiots will enlist to kill other idiots for an elite that doesn't give two #s about your health and well-being. But it looks like it is going to happen anyway all in a planned predictable sort of way.

originally posted by: stu119

originally posted by: JadedGhost

originally posted by: firerescue
Putin threatens to reclaim Alaska

Vladamir Putin, the increasing delusional dictator of Russia, has signed a decree nullifying the 1867 sale of Alaska to the United States

www.msn.com...

Unfortunately such bluster has often preceded Russia seizing the aforementioned such as Crimea in 2014

While it is doubtful Putin and his cronies are dumb enough to try and retake Alaska Who can say ...........

Kind of makes you wonder what Trumps opinion on this is, or how he’d react if this happened while he was president… I mean, dudes got an opinion on everything and ain’t shy about calling out stupidity.

But when it comes to Russia, total silence. Kind of sad actually, for Ukraine especially… when you put the dots together and realize that the next POTUS is going to be nothing more than a Russian asset.

I honestly believe if Trump was president the war in Ukraine would be over. Not because he is a great diplomat, but because he wouldn't have funded the proxy war so Ukraine would have no choice but to cede land to Russia as they are incapable of defending themselves without the west supplying them with money and arms.

There's every chance that Zelensky will have to do this within Bidens term as president as the funding is stopping and US intelligence has previously stated that Russia have the upper hand.

Negotiations will see Russia keep what they have taken and then some - a redrawing of borders - and then it will end for the time being. Russians and Ukrainians are both growing tired of the war, neither side has the appetite for it beyond Putin.

If Trump gets back in he will repair relations with Russia and trade will return to normal.

So you admit, Trumps just going to give Putin whatever he wants then? Essentially just bend over, smile and give Putin the nod.

I suppose it’s not so far fetched to assume Trump would even entertain Putins whole demand of giving Alaska back then… since after all Russias got nuclear weapons, we don’t want to upset them, right?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: sapien1982

I understand your healthy cynicism but I'm not seeing anything of the sort here.

So basically the nation are so stupid that they vote people like Boris Johnson in willingly. That is incredible

a reply to: Saibot3052

So basically the nation are so stupid that they vote people like Boris Johnson in willingly.

When the only other viable option available to people was Jeremy Corbyn what choice did people have?
Rishi Sunak or Keir Starmer?

Is this really the best we have to offer?

Its a #ing farce.

We need a leader of strength, courage and vision....attributes sadly missing in politicians today.

a reply to: annonentity

Russia has to have strong permanent leadership because the West is forever doing what the West does and wants to divide Russia up into easily digestible parcels

So, its 'The West's' fault Putin is a de facto dictator and suppresses all opposition - at home and abroad when he can - so that he can rule with impunity?
It's 'The West's' fault Putin is seeking to regain land Russia 'lost' with the break up of The Soviet Union when countries that had suffered under Soviet oppression gained independence from Russia?

25 January Update

Russian forces conducted a series of missile and drone strikes against Ukraine on the night of January 24 to 25. Ukrainian military officials reported on January 25 that Russian forces launched 14 Shahed-136/131 drones from Krasnodar Krai and occupied Crimea, four S-300 missiles from Belgorod Oblast, and another S-300 missile from occupied Donetsk Oblast. Ukrainian air defenses destroyed 11 Shaheds. Ukrainian Southern Operational Command reported that Ukrainian air defenses also intercepted a Kh-59 missile over Mykolaiv Oblast.

The Ukrainian Security Service (SBU) reportedly conducted a successful drone strike on a Rosneft oil refinery in Tuapse, Krasnodar Krai on the night of January 24 to 25. Ukrainian outlet Suspilne reported on January 25, citing an unspecified source, that the SBU conducted a drone strike on the refinery and that Ukraine will continue to target economically and militarily important objects in Russia.

Russian forces recently made confirmed advances near Avdiivka amid continued positional engagements along the entire line of contact on January 25.

More at URL above.

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