Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 3

a reply to: Bishop2199

Speaking of Chechnya, Putin's bully boy there has really toned down. Hardly any statements from him these days. Likewise Lavrov. Enthusiasm waning?

Cheers

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Imhere

"It’s akin to someone seeing these Ukrainian Nazi SS Stephan Bandera fests (that’s propped there as a national holiday by the current regime) and about the corrupted gov in Ukraine, yet disregard it covering their ears screaming “russah, russah, russah lalala”

Yet here you are screaming at Ukraine as if they are all Nazis.

I think you will find that the likes of Russia and Belarus for whom you incessantly and tediously chearlead for are de facto dictatorships that are massively corrupt.

Do tell me, can you show me on the doll where those horrid beastly Ukrainian "Nazis" did hurted you?

Listen to yourself lol

You keep dancing and defending a regime that placed a Ukrainian Nazi SS Stephan Bandera as a national holiday.

No one said every Ukrainian sided with Nazis or celebrate Stephan Bandera. But the National Holiday is there.

A poll conducted in early May 2021 by the Democratic Initiatives Foundation together with the Razumkov Centre's sociological service showed that 32% of citizens consider Bandera's activity as a historical figure to be positive for Ukraine, as many consider his activity negative; another 21% consider Bandera's activities as positive as they are negative. According to the poll, a positive attitude prevails in the western region of Ukraine (70%); in the central region of the state, 27% of respondents consider his activity positive, 27% consider his activity negative and 27% consider his activity both positive and negative; negative attitude prevails in the southern and eastern regions of Ukraine (54% and 48% of respondents consider his activity negative for Ukraine, respectively).[135]

The march was supported by the far-right Svoboda party and some members of the center-right Batkivshchyna. In 2018, the Ukrainian Parliament voted to include Bandera's 110th birthday, on 1 January 2019, in a list of memorable dates and anniversaries to be celebrated that year.

en.m.wikipedia.org...

Google Stephan Bandera Ukraine holiday.

UKRAINE marked the birthday of nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera today as a national holiday for the first time.

The parliament voted that January 1 would be officially recognised for the leader of the Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN), which fought alongside the nazis against the Red Army in the second world war and whose quest for an “ethnically pure” Ukraine saw it participate in the Holocaust, murdering tens of thousands of Jews and Poles.

2019 eh?

What a nice “mostly peaceful” outlook and solution for the other millions of Ukrainians/Ethnic Russian civilians there back then

a reply to: Imhere

I don't share your apparent obsession with SB.

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

Probably just upped their meds?

a reply to: Imhere

You really do seem to have a Freudian obsession like fascination with Stephan Bandera.....🤔

originally posted by: Imhere
Google Stephan Bandera Ukraine holiday.

UKRAINE marked the birthday of nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera today as a national holiday for the first time.

The parliament voted that January 1 would be officially recognised for the leader of the Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN), which fought alongside the nazis against the Red Army in the second world war and whose quest for an “ethnically pure” Ukraine saw it participate in the Holocaust, murdering tens of thousands of Jews and Poles.

I noticed you didn't provide a link and instead said to Google it, so I Googled it. There is no such official holiday, it's a false story, more Russian propaganda apparently, which you seem to be completely falling for in general in spite of so much of it being false.

Is Stepan Bandera’s birthday celebrated as a national holiday in Ukraine?

On 19 December the story was reported by Radio Liberty under the headline “Ukraine declares Bandera’s birthday an official holiday”, and also by TASS who went with “Nazi collaborator’s birthday declared official holiday in Ukraine”. In reality, as can be seen from the summary above, and by consulting the relevant documents on the parliamentary website (English translations here and here), no “official holiday” had been introduced in commemoration of Bandera’s birthday, or indeed any of the other anniversaries...

Yet again, we see the phenomenon of fake news being spread across social media as the result of a failure to check for accuracy. It’s not often that I get to quote Volodymyr Viatrovych approvingly, but on this issue he was right. Bandera Day is not a public holiday in Ukraine.

That source also confirms that the number of people celebrating Bandera's birthday is merely a few hundred, hardly a significant number in light of Ukraine's total population.

Russia is 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥


Russia: Wildberries employees burned down the 100,000m² (25 acres) warehouse in Saint Petersburg in response to Putin's fascist raids at the location earlier today - masses of workers were arrested to be sent to fight in Ukraine. Wildberries is Russia's Amazon ripoff.

Russia: Construction site on fire in Yekaterinburg, but nothing compares to the one below in St. Petersburg.


Russia: Sberbank building under construction is on fire on Kutuzovsky Prospekt in Moscow.

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

originally posted by: Imhere
Google Stephan Bandera Ukraine holiday.

UKRAINE marked the birthday of nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera today as a national holiday for the first time.

The parliament voted that January 1 would be officially recognised for the leader of the Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN), which fought alongside the nazis against the Red Army in the second world war and whose quest for an “ethnically pure” Ukraine saw it participate in the Holocaust, murdering tens of thousands of Jews and Poles.

I noticed you didn't provide a link and instead said to Google it, so I Googled it. There is no such official holiday, it's a false story, more Russian propaganda apparently, which you seem to be completely falling for in general in spite of so much of it being false.

Is Stepan Bandera’s birthday celebrated as a national holiday in Ukraine?

On 19 December the story was reported by Radio Liberty under the headline “Ukraine declares Bandera’s birthday an official holiday”, and also by TASS who went with “Nazi collaborator’s birthday declared official holiday in Ukraine”. In reality, as can be seen from the summary above, and by consulting the relevant documents on the parliamentary website (English translations here and here), no “official holiday” had been introduced in commemoration of Bandera’s birthday, or indeed any of the other anniversaries...

Yet again, we see the phenomenon of fake news being spread across social media as the result of a failure to check for accuracy. It’s not often that I get to quote Volodymyr Viatrovych approvingly, but on this issue he was right. Bandera Day is not a public holiday in Ukraine.

That source also confirms that the number of people celebrating Bandera's birthday is merely a few hundred, hardly a significant number in light of Ukraine's total population.

Are you saying there isn’t a Stephan Bandera Ukrainian Nazi SS national holiday currently placed in Ukraine?

It’s only a few hundred????? lol

Try harder.

And look further, than your local MSM that drums around you.

originally posted by: Imhere
Are you saying there isn’t a Stephan Bandera Ukrainian Nazi SS national holiday currently placed in Ukraine?

It’s only a few hundred????? lol

Try harder.

And look further, than your local MSM that drums around you.

The west celebrates a holiday called "New Years Day" on January 1st and that's also celebrated in some non-western countries, though China in particular celebrates new years about a month later than that.

Ukraine also celebrates new years day, that's the national holiday, which many other countries also celebrate including the US. It's never been an official "Bandera day" holiday in Ukraine, though apparently that's what the fake news stories are trying to claim. The source I posted linked the official Ukraine documentation where official holidays are posted, pointing out those show no such official holiday, and that the official "Bandera Day" stories on social media are fake news. All you can do is say "google it" and not provide any official source from Ukraine, which pretty clearly shows you are falling for the fake news.

If you think that's not the case, then link to the official Ukraine source about the official Bandera day, which of course you won't do because there is no official Bandera day.

12 January Update

Ukraine and the United Kingdom (UK) signed an agreement on bilateral security guarantees pursuant to the G7’s July 2023 joint declaration of support for Ukraine. UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in Kyiv on January 12 and signed the UK-Ukraine Agreement on Security Cooperation.

US National Security Council Spokesperson John Kirby stated on January 11 that the US has suspended security assistance to Ukraine and will not resume sending aid to Ukraine until the US Congress approves funding.

Russian forces made confirmed marginal advances northeast of Bakhmut, northwest of Avdiivka, southwest of Donetsk City, west of Verbove, and in (east) left bank Kherson Oblast amid continued positional fighting along the entire front.

More at URL above.

Cheers

a reply to: Imhere

Try not lapping up pro Russian lies and propaganda?

a reply to: Imhere

That source is not MSM.

Why and how is it inaccurate?

"Try harder"?

Please do.

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

originally posted by: Imhere
Are you saying there isn’t a Stephan Bandera Ukrainian Nazi SS national holiday currently placed in Ukraine?

It’s only a few hundred????? lol

Try harder.

And look further, than your local MSM that drums around you.

The west celebrates a holiday called "New Years Day" on January 1st and that's also celebrated in some non-western countries, though China in particular celebrates new years about a month later than that.

Ukraine also celebrates new years day, that's the national holiday, which many other countries also celebrate including the US. It's never been an official "Bandera day" holiday in Ukraine, though apparently that's what the fake news stories are trying to claim. The source I posted linked the official Ukraine documentation where official holidays are posted, pointing out those show no such official holiday, and that the official "Bandera Day" stories on social media are fake news. All you can do is say "google it" and not provide any official source from Ukraine, which pretty clearly shows you are falling for the fake news.

If you think that's not the case, then link to the official Ukraine source about the official Bandera day, which of course you won't do because there is no official Bandera day.

No it’s not fake news when even Poland had to tell them NOT to celebrate anything Nazi. No matter how much they hate Russia.

If you say Ukraine should avoid celebrating Stephan Bandera and should absolutely dismantle AZOV, then we are in agreement.

a reply to: Imhere

It's "Stepan" by the way. Have some facts:

www.euronews.com...

a reply to: Imhere

So you have absolutely no credible evidence to support your repeated allegation that Ukraine has a National Holiday in honour of Stepan Bandera?
Nothing.....absolutely zilch other than your paranoid rantings.

Put your money where your mouth is and show us undeniable proof.

If you can I'll be the first one to openly state you were right and I and others were wrong.
You have the floor.

There are too many blind war hawking Ukraine supporters on here. This entire thread is too biased to the truth about what’s happening or what happened leading up to the war. Always claiming Russias marginal advances when they have clearly have the upper hand in almost every battle.
Russianman Bad Syndrome

a reply to: Imhere

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Imhere

It's "Stepan" by the way. Have some facts:

www.euronews.com...

Or known as Stefan Popel

Yeah Stepan Bandera was very vocal about getting rid of Poles and Jews. And his party massacred 1000’s of Poles and Jews. Also helping the Nazi SS send the over flow to concentration camps. Auschwitz etc during the time period.

From your link:

Bandera, who studied in Lviv, was a member of various nationalist Ukrainian organisations before joining the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN), becoming second in command of the militia group in 1933.

During Bandera’s time in Sachsenhausen, the OUN carried out thousands of murders of Poles, most of them civilians, during a campaign of ethnic cleansing in Volhynia and later Eastern Galicia. As many as 100,000 people may have died during the two-year campaign.

While Bandera was not directly involved in the ethnic cleansing - as he was in jail - he had openly stated that both Jews and Poles had no place in a sovereign Ukrainian state. During the Holocaust, one-sixth of the Jews murdered by the Nazis were from Ukraine.

Thoughts?

Just because Bandera was jailed temporarily and didn’t do the shooting/killings himself, he was still 2nd in freaking command of the organization that did it.

13 January Update

... a Serbian mercenary ... published a video appeal on January 8 wherein he accused military commanders of the Russian 119th Guards Airborne (VDV) Regiment (106th Guards VDV Division) of mistreating Serbian mercenaries (stating) that Russian military officials and police declared that the Serbian mercenaries were deserters and war criminals, disarmed them, pushed them out of their trenches, and forced them to admit that they were spies.

Russian forces launched a medium-sized drone, missile, and air attack against Ukraine on the night of January 12-13 using a strike package similar to the recent Russian strike packages.

A fire destroyed a large warehouse in St. Petersburg belonging to Russia’s largest online retailer Wildberries on January 12. Russian sources claimed that on the night of January 10 to 11 a mass fight broke out between migrant workers at the facility and that this prompted Russian authorities to conduct a raid on the warehouse, during which several migrants received military summonses.

Russian forces made confirmed advances near Kreminna and Avdiivka amid continued positional engagements along the entire front line.

More at URL above.

Cheers

a reply to: Freeborn

Here is a list of Ukrainian national holidays:

publicholidays.com.ua...

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Freeborn

Here is a list of Ukrainian national holidays:

publicholidays.com.ua...

That shows a "Victory Day over Nazism in World War II" holiday, kind of the opposite of the "Bandera the Nazi" holiday Imhere has been claiming repeatedly, based on his naïve belief in fake news.