Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 3

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Yes. That's why I posted it.

There is no SB national holiday.

It's pure propaganda.

a reply to: Imhere

You have been shown that there is no Bandera national holiday contrary to your claims.

Time to move on?

a reply to: Imhere

From your source:

"awarded Bandera the posthumous title of Hero of Ukraine, which was widely condemned. The award was subsequently annulled in 2011 given that Stepan Bandera was never a Ukrainian citizen."

Missed that bit?

14 January Update

Representatives from 83 countries met to discuss the implementation of Ukraine’s Peace Formula on the sidelines of the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland on January 14.

The Russian Investigative Committee will officially open a case into the fire that destroyed a large Wildberries warehouse in St. Petersburg.

Positional engagements continued along the Kupyansk-Kreminna line, near Bakhmut and Avdiivka, in the Donetsk-Zaporizhia Oblast border area, in western Zaporizhia Oblast, and on the east (left) bank of Kherson Oblast.

More at URL above.

Cheers

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Imhere

From your source:

"awarded Bandera the posthumous title of Hero of Ukraine, which was widely condemned. The award was subsequently annulled in 2011 given that Stepan Bandera was never a Ukrainian citizen."

Missed that bit?

No but you did.

Your quote says the award was annulled, correct? Who annulled it?

Can you tell us which former Ukrainian President awarded that “Hero of Ukraine” title in the first place in 2010?

And later which former Ukrainian President came shortly afterwards stripping that “Hero of Ukraine” title in 2011?

It was the apparent “Pro Russian” former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych that stripped the title in 2011 (who was ousted during the 2014 Euromaidan)

The Hero of Ukraine award was given to the partisan leader, Stepan Bandera, by Mr. Yanukovich’s predecessor, Viktor A. Yushchenko, shortly before he left office last year.

On 22 January 2010, Viktor Yushchenko, the then president of Ukraine, awarded Bandera the posthumous title of Hero of Ukraine, which was widely condemned. The award was subsequently annulled in 2011 given that Stepan Bandera was never a Ukrainian citizen.

Mr. Yanukovich had the award canceled through the courts, not through a presidential decree, apparently deciding that such a method would be less provocative. In Ukraine, as in much of the former Soviet Union, the judicial system tends to have little independence, and typically follows the will of the executive branch.

With support from the new president, a Ukrainian lawyer last spring convinced a court to revoke the award, and subsequent appeals courts have upheld the decision, officials said.

On Wednesday, Mr. Yanukovich’s office indicated in a statement that the judicial process had ended and that the award was formally annulled.

The statement did not offer further comment. But Mr. Yushchenko’s party, Our Ukraine, denounced Mr. Yanukovich for “attempts to rewrite the history of Ukraine and to belittle — in order to please Moscow — the heroes of the Ukrainian people.

www.nytimes.com...

www.reuters.com...

Don’t get the 2 ex Ukrainian Presidents confused that have both last names start with an “Y” now lol

Viktor A. Yushchenko (who awarded the “Hero of Ukraine” title to Stepan Bandera in 2010)

Viktor F. Yanukovych (apparent “pro Russian” who annulled the “Hero of Ukraine” title and got it stripped in 2011)

Explosions Reported at One of Russia's Largest Chemical Plants

Explosions have been reported at one of Russia's largest chemical plants in the Rostov region that borders Ukraine.

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Other recent facility fires have been claimed by Russian Citizens that are not pleased with Putin's activities against Ukraine. Is this more of the same or just someone trying to raise the chilling temps in that part of the world right now?

a reply to: Imhere

So?

How about this National Holiday of yours?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Imhere

So?

How about this National Holiday of yours?

So you’re getting warmer.. (and don’t back track now and start defending Stepan Bandera here. As even your own links show the guy was a royal Nazi SS piece of sh*t.)

So, since we established now, that an ex Ukrainian president (Yuraschenko) awarded a Nazi SS Ukrainian collaborator/ head of OUN-b Stepan Bandera the fricking “Hero of Ukraine” title in 2010….

Which got scrapped and annulled shortly after, by the apparent “Pro Russian” Ukrainian President (Yanukovych) in 2011…. (again who was ousted in 2014 during the Euromaidan coup)

It doesn’t take much to see how Stepan Bandera was being pushed on a parliament level to honor this piece of sh*t with a “Hero of Ukraine” title along with his birthday as a holiday to be celebrated on.

On 1 January 2009, his 100th birthday was celebrated in several Ukrainian centres[175][176][177][178][179] and a postage stamp with his portrait was issued the same day.[180] On 1 January 2014, Bandera's 105th birthday was celebrated by a torchlight procession of 15,000 people in the centre of Kyiv and thousands more rallied near his statue in Lviv.[181][182][183] The march was supported by the far-right Svoboda party and some members of the center-right Batkivshchyna.[184] In 2018, the Ukrainian Parliament voted to include Bandera's 110th birthday, on 1 January 2019, in a list of memorable dates and anniversaries to be celebrated that year.

en.wikipedia.org...

Wanna go over the dozens of streets in western Ukraine for example, that got renamed in honor of Stepan Bandera?

There’s currently a major road in the capital that got renamed in honorary after Stepan Bandera.

Wanna point some of them out to us on Google or Apple Maps?

I’ll help you, just type in “Stepan Bandera street Ukraine” in Google maps or Apple etc.

a reply to: Imhere

I have never "defended" him. Like I said, I don't share your obsession with him.

What "holiday"?

What's it got to do with Zelensky or the current situation?

a reply to: Imhere

"I'll help you, just type in “Stepan Bandera street Ukraine” in Google maps or Apple etc."

Why might I bother to do that?

a reply to: Imhere

There are quite a few monuments, statues and street names celebrating Nazi collaborators in the US, including Bandera. Looking forward to your outrage:

en.m.wikipedia.org...

"There are two monuments in the US to two Ukrainian nationalists, Stepan Bandera and Roman Shukhevych, who collaborated with the Nazis. Bandera was a leader of Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists who collaborated with the Nazis in 1941 before being imprisoned by them and again in 1944 after his release. Shukhevych was one of the leaders of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army, which took part in the massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia, and one of the commanders of Nachtigall Battalion, Hauptmann of the German Schutzmannschaft 201 auxiliary police battalion, which participated in the Lviv pogroms against Jews.[6][7]

A Ukrainian Youth Association in Baraboo near Wisconsin Dells has monuments to two Stepan Bandera and Roman Shukhevych.[6] The location made news in 2018 when a photograph of youths doing Nazi salutes circulated online.[8]".

Oh dear. How sad. Never mind.

Perhaps Putin should invade the US, to "de-Nazifi" it?

No?

a reply to: Bishop2199

Those Russians, carelessly chucking their cigarettes away. Will they never learn?

a reply to: Imhere

Canada, too:

en.m.wikipedia.org...


"Monuments and memorials include or have included a statue of Draža Mihailović in Ontario, two monuments in Ontario and Alberta connected with the Waffen-SS, a statue of Roman Shukhevych, streets and parks named after Alexis Carrel and Philipp Lenard, a mountain named after Philippe Pétain, and two streets named after a commander of Nazi German forces and his ship. There are two monuments to members of the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Galician), which have caused controversy."

Weak comparison. (plus Canada got hammered not long ago for accidentally congratulating past Ukrainian Nazi SS vet embarrassingly in September, remember?)

Trudeau calls praise for Nazi-linked veteran 'deeply embarrassing'

www.bbc.com...

USA didn’t award a Ukrainian Nazi SS collaborator/Head of OUN-b Stepan Bandera as some “Hero of Ukraine” status past years.

Nor start to Judicially renaming streets after him lately.

(If so, then this would something that needs to start being brought up publicly more, especially to the Jewish heritage societies here, during this Gaza/hamas situation etc)

Why are you trying so hard to dance/swat down facts around a Ukrainian Nazi SS collaborator Stepan Bandera, that’s constantly being hoisted there as “Hero of Ukraine” ?

And been renaming major streets after him past years?

You posted a quote from your own link (which back fired on you) that basically pointed out you didn’t even know which former Ukrainian president annulled the “Hero of Ukraine” title afterwards in 2011 ffs.

Much less know which prior Ukrainian President was the one that awarded the “Hero of Ukraine” title to Stepan Bandera in the first place in 2010.

lol

a reply to: Imhere

"Why are you trying so hard to dance/swat down facts around a Ukrainian Nazi SS collaborator Stepan Bandera, that’s constantly being hoisted as “Hero of Ukraine” there ?"

Constantly?

No. Years ago, and annulled.

"You posted a quote from your own link (which back fired on you) which basically pointed out you didn’t even know which former Ukrainian president annulled the “Hero of Ukraine” title afterwards in 2011 ffs.

Much less know which former Ukrainian President was the one that awarded the “Hero of Ukraine” title to Stepan Bandera in the first place in 2010."

2010?

Not Zelensky, then. Hardly current.

Like I said, I don't share your obsession with him.

Or your weak propaganda.

So, this Bandera National Holiday you claimed existed.

It doesn't, does it?

a reply to: Imhere

'USA didn’t award a Ukrainian Nazi SS collaborator/Head of OUN-b Stepan Bandera as some “Hero of Ukraine” status past years."

Obviously not?

a reply to: Imhere

"Nor start to Judicially renaming streets after him lately."

Judicially? How?

"Lately"?

How lately?

When?

a reply to: Imhere

"You posted a quote from your own link (which back fired on you) that basically pointed out you didn’t even know which former Ukrainian president annulled the “Hero of Ukraine” title afterwards in 2011 ffs."

But my actual link made that clear?

Not sure what your problem is.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Not sure what your problem is.

He's desperately clutching at straws to try and regain some credibility.

He'd be better off simply admitting he was wrong about the national holiday and moving on.....but I won't hold my breath.

Tens of thousands of Russians freeze as hot water pipes burst around the country

Even large cities like Novosibirsk and Vladivostok, as well as the suburbs of Moscow, have experienced burst hot-water mains, ruptured heating pipelines, and crumbling municipal infrastructure. These incidents have escalated since the beginning of 2024, with temperatures dropping to -30 degrees and below in some parts of the country.

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The Kremlin blames it on aging infrastructure that will take 10-15 years to resolve. Not enough money to go around I guess.