Russia Ukraine Update Thread - part 3

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: alldaylong
reliefweb.int...

Sorry....it isnt wiki......

This is the relevant part in my opinion.

In many instances of shelling since 2014, the perpetrator has not been identified, but where they have, Ukrainian separatist forces have been responsible for at least 667 civilian casualties and Ukraine for 783.

a reply to: alldaylong

Not the 2000 or so dead civilians?

weird.

but then again relevant is subjective.

a reply to: JinMI

Not the 2000 or so dead civilians

I thought we where into the " blame game " ?

No mention of genocide, that Pukin likes to spout.

a reply to: alldaylong

Blame? Plenty enough to go around. So much in fact that perhaps the movers and shakers should come to the peace table.....

the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group

Do you need someone to tell you that it's genocide or are you able to use your eyes and ears yourself?

a reply to: JinMI

Do you need someone to tell you that it's genocide.

When a report is compiled by people on the ground they are the ones who decide if genocide has been carried out.

My eyes don't focus 2000 miles away. Do yours ?

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: JinMI

Do you need someone to tell you that it's genocide.

When a report is compiled by people on the ground they are the ones who decide if genocide has been carried out.

My eyes don't focus 2000 miles away. Do yours ?

So you need someone to tell you.


...fair enough...

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: JinMI

Do you need someone to tell you that it's genocide.

When a report is compiled by people on the ground they are the ones who decide if genocide has been carried out.

My eyes don't focus 2000 miles away. Do yours ?

So you need someone to tell you.


...fair enough...

Here is the transcript of the judgement of the International Court Of Justice, throwing Russia's allegations of Genocide OUT.

There was no case for Ukraine to answer. Never was. It's in PDF form.


www.icj-cij.org...


And that is where i am out.

Good luck trying to prove the impossible.

a reply to: alldaylong

Was anyone from russia present in that hearing.....?

Good luck trying to prove the impossible.

Like dead civilians at the hands of Ukraines govt based on political and racial motivations?

a reply to: JinMI

Was anyone from russia present in that hearing...

Yes, one of the presiding Judges, and Vice President of The International Court Of Justice. This chap.

Judge Kirill Gevorgian of Russia Elected VP of International Court of Justice

mirrorspectator.com...

Dmitry Medvedev visiting tank factory , he is wearing leather coat


Medvedev visited a tank factory

Where i seen that before ??? Was it nazi gestapo SS ?

a reply to: Kenzo

Tank factory?.. you mean the local military museum right?

If thats a ruZZian tank factory during war time, id hate to see it during peace time... although cant really blame them, they havent had their delivery of stolen washing machine microchips arrive yet, the frontline soldiers are still working on that.

Surovikin clearly understands the political intention for his campaign in Ukraine. As he described it in a recent interview, the desired outcome is "that Ukraine was independent from the West and NATO, a friendly state to Russia".

And Surovikin must meet the Russian objective of drawing the war out for as long as possible. Putin clearly believes the West will eventually lose interest in the war — and in supporting Ukraine. While this is yet to be proven, he appears convinced this is a strong possibility

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The Russians might interpret a couple of things as the west losing interest in supporting Ukraine. First, the war in Ukraine is no longer the top story in the hourly news cycle. Second, Australia, so far not dispatched the additional equipment requested by Ukraine. Also, New Zealand isn't sending cold-weather clothing and milk powder to Ukraine.

Putin's act of mass homicide (sending under-equipped and trained conscripts to Ukraine) will delay the end of the fighting. Ironically, one of the ways and reasons Germany delayed their defeat in WW2 was by reconstitution of ground units in speedy timetables. Those German ground units were previously destroyed in combat and were equipped to various degrees. So the Russians are delaying their military defeat in Ukraine.

24 October Update

Key Takeaways

* The Kremlin intensified its information operation to accuse Ukraine of preparing to conduct a false-flag attack using a dirty bomb for a second day in a row.

* Ukraine’s Military Intelligence Directorate (GUR) Chief Major General Kyrylo Budanov stated on October 24 that the impact of Russian terrorist strikes against critical Ukrainian infrastructure is waning.

* Russian President Vladimir Putin’s annexation of four Ukrainian oblasts on September 30 ignited a schism within the Kremlin, which will likely intensify as Ukraine liberates more territories according to Budanov.

* Prigozhin continues to accrue power and is setting up a military structure parallel to the Russian Armed Forces, which may come to pose a threat to Putin’s rule – at least within the information space.

* Russian forces are likely preparing to defend Kherson City and are not fully withdrawing from upper Kherson Oblast despite previous confirmed reports of some Russian elements withdrawing from upper Kherson Oblast.

* The Ukrainian General Staff confirmed that Ukrainian forces captured Karmazynivka, Miasozharivka, and Nevske in Luhansk Oblast and Novosadove in Donetsk Oblast.

* Kursk Oblast Govenor Roman Starovoit announced the completion of the construction of two reinforced defense lines on the border with Ukraine on October 23 — likely an act of security theater designed to target a domestic Russian audience since there is no danger whatsoever of a Ukrainian mechanized invasion of Russia.

* Wagner Group financer Yevgeny Prigozhin acknowledged the slow pace of Wagner Group ground operations around Bakhmut as Russian forces continued to lose ground near the city.

* Ukrainian forces continued targeting Russian force concentrations near the Zaporizhia Oblast front line on October 23–24 and struck a Russian force and equipment concentration in the vicinity of Enerhodar on October 22.

* Hurried Russian mobilization efforts to fix personnel shortages on the front lines have cannibalized the Russian force-generation staff and diminished Russia’s ability to effectively train and deploy new personnel and to staff domestic industries.

* Occupation administration officials have taken down communications systems in Kherson City in an attempt to limit civilian reporting on Russian positions to Ukrainian forces ahead of anticipated Ukrainian advances.

More at URL above.

Cheers

a reply to: BigfootNZ


Sorry, it was indeed museum

25 October Update

Key Takeaways

* Russian siloviki factions continue to voice dissatisfaction with the Russian war effort in Ukraine, likely indicating that President Vladimir Putin will struggle to appease the pro-war faction.

* Direct confrontations between Putin and siloviki members regarding the war in Ukraine illustrate the significance of siloviki factions in Russian power structures.

* Russian officials are likely rhetorically realigning the war in Ukraine with religious ideals ostensibly accessible to both Christians and Muslims to cater to religious and ethnic minorities.

* Russian occupation officials continue to claim that the evacuations in Kherson Oblast are a part of a larger resettlement program.

* Levada polling surveys suggest that the Russian public’s sentiments toward the Russian government have not fundamentally changed despite societal pressures associated with the war in Ukraine.

* Russian sources claimed that Ukrainian forces conducted ground attacks west of Svatove and on Kreminna on October 25.

* Russian forces continued to establish fallback and defensive positions on the eastern bank of the Dnipro River.

* Russian forces conducted unsuccessful ground attacks in Donetsk Oblast.

* The Russian military continues to mobilize personnel in violation of recruitment policies. Russian mobilization efforts also are placing strains on the Russian labor market.

* Ukrainian partisans conducted an attack targeting the occupation head in Russian-occupied Zaporizhia Oblast.

More at URL above.

Cheers

"Did we want to join Satanism or what? or did we discover later it was satanism... ruZZia is a nation that is very much alive, perhaps the last truly alive people of the white race... Im totally not racist, I just talk this way, this is the way [of our country] is, full of great guys"

... their totally not nazis guys. /s

"We have a sole opportunity, now and forever to become a bigger and more serious verison of Israel in the 1960's, it should be understood they came for your souls"

Wow...

Just wow... # off ruZZIa, go die in the ditch of history, honestly.

a reply to: BigfootNZ

8 months in and they still don't know why...

"Putin oversees practice drill of 'huge nuclear strike' amid growing fears Russia may trigger major escalation in Ukraine
The manoeuvres followed President Vladimir Putin's warning about his readiness to use "all means available" to fend off attacks on Russia's territory, in a clear reference to the country's nuclear arsenals." news.sky.com...

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Yet still people make excuses for him?

Do you honestly think the best course of action is to lie down and weakly submit to his demands?

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: ufoorbhunter


Do you honestly think the best course of action is to lie down and weakly submit to his demands?

Gave up having opinions on the conflict from day one and just watch from afar. With increasing concern where things are heading for sure