Abortions - Why so bad?

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: Annee

I don’t think you understand the concept of morality. By what standard does abortion meet the definition of being morally good?

You think abortion is a virtuous act?

You're arguing against feeding LIVING children who die every 3 seconds from poverty.

Factually -- there is not one unselfish reason to procreate.

The concept of morality is directly related to selfish or unselfish reasons it would appear. The players born and unborn are secondary considerations, it would appear.

Tell me one unselfish reason to procreate.

Tell me one unselfish reason to feed starving LIVING children.

This is real life. Right now.

We and all other species are genetically hardwired to do things that ensure the survival of our species. Morality is not the only factor in this. We evolved to die to protect our young if need be and anyone without that instinct is an outlier with a genetic abnormality. If we lose that instinct, our species will fail eventually. It is abnormal for an adult human to be anything but protective of our young and pregnant women.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Quadrivium

I honestly believe most people engaging in the act of sex for pleasure don't make a conscious choice to get pregnant, yes, it is irresponsible, but it is not a choice, especially considering around 25% are under the age of 20 years old who seek abortion after the fact.

How many responsible under 20 year olds do you know?

Here is an interesting study on age and responsibility for you to mull over.

That's right: According to these researchers, if you're under 24 years old, you're basically still a teenager, not a full-blown adult — not yet, at least. And if you're in your late 20s, you've basically only been an adult for a few years, and you really can't be held fully accountable for your actions. OK fine, that's not totally true, but still.

www.elitedaily.com...

Never said they made a choice to get pregnant.
I said they made a choice to have sex, knowing that pregnancy was a possible outcome.

How do you know what they were thinking or what they knew? Getting pregnant may never have crossed their minds.

It is a known possibility.
Granted, in today's world there may be some very ignorant people, having sex, that do not know how babies are made, but I am pretty sure that number is minuscule.

You make a lot of assumptions about others.

Am I lying?
You may not like what I am saying, but can you disprove any of it?
There are people like you, who may not completely agree with abortion.
There are people like sookie and Anne, who see it as a form of control. These people are akin to slavers and nazis in way the way they think.
They honestly believe human beings are less than human or property to be killed as they wish, when they wish.
These people are why I hold to the stance I do.
Abortion is the violent premeditated killing of another human being for convenience, in 99% of cases.

Then why doesn't the pro-lifers/government/religious faction make it convenient for women to keep their children in a healthy and economically sound way? They don't care about women's lives - that is not pro-life.

As you have seen in this thread, given an alternative, would they take it?
Why is so much spent by the Pro-Death cult to kill human beings in the womb than trying to help those out of the womb?

Is that first question a question or an assertion that in your opinion, women would not choose to keep their children?

Second question - because nothing is spent on alternatives for women to choose.

You asked why and I asked you that even "given an alternative would they take it", you have seen that some do not want an alternative.
It may be hard for you to consider but their are nihilist in the world. You continually converse with two of them.
It is not about the human life they kill, they DO NOT CARE.
It is about control/losing control. As you have seen, they do not care about alternatives. They will not use alternatives. They want to kill, when they want to kill. They want that control.
As far as the money, I have already told you, much more is spent advocating the violent, premeditated killings by people who profit from it.

a reply to: Quadrivium

I will spell out the points I was trying to make from both of your questions.

Give women alternatives and it is highly likely SOME will choose to not terminate their pregnancies because the alternatives will meet the needs of the women and the children they bring into the world. Isn't it worth a try to save what lives could possibly be saved through giving women and children a leg up in this world?

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Quadrivium

I will spell out the points I was trying to make from both of your questions.

Give women alternatives and it is highly likely SOME will choose to not terminate their pregnancies because the alternatives will meet the needs of the women and the children they bring into the world. Isn't it worth a try to save what lives could possibly be saved through giving women and children a leg up in this world?

Absolutely a noble idea.
Honestly, Skokie and Anne have shown me that there are many, many more just like them.
They have the mentality that they can own humans and that some humans are "less than".
They are Nihilistic in nature, just as Slavers and Nazi's were.

I think education would work as well.
Teaching people that actions have consequences.
That you should not have the the "right" to kill another human being because you regret a choice you made.
That killing another human being should NOT be used as a form of birth control.
That sex is how we, as a species, reproduce.
That from the moment of conception to the day you die you are the same human being.
Just a little common sense, really.

originally posted by: Blaine91555

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: Annee

I don’t think you understand the concept of morality. By what standard does abortion meet the definition of being morally good?

You think abortion is a virtuous act?

You're arguing against feeding LIVING children who die every 3 seconds from poverty.

Factually -- there is not one unselfish reason to procreate.

The concept of morality is directly related to selfish or unselfish reasons it would appear. The players born and unborn are secondary considerations, it would appear.

Tell me one unselfish reason to procreate.

Tell me one unselfish reason to feed starving LIVING children.

This is real life. Right now.

We and all other species are genetically hardwired to do things that ensure the survival of our species.

Fortunately, intelligence and awareness has allowed us to go beyond animal instinct.

Our planet is overcrowded. We can choose not to crowd it more.

Humans are not in danger of becoming extinct.

Therefore, it is a selfish act.

originally posted by: Blaine91555

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: Annee

I don’t think you understand the concept of morality. By what standard does abortion meet the definition of being morally good?

You think abortion is a virtuous act?

You're arguing against feeding LIVING children who die every 3 seconds from poverty.

Factually -- there is not one unselfish reason to procreate.

The concept of morality is directly related to selfish or unselfish reasons it would appear. The players born and unborn are secondary considerations, it would appear.

Tell me one unselfish reason to procreate.

Tell me one unselfish reason to feed starving LIVING children.

This is real life. Right now.

It is abnormal for an adult human to be anything but protective of our young and pregnant women.

Society definitely tries to instill that on us.

Primates raised in social groups tend to be more social -- and most likely protective of the young.

Today -- many humans live more of an isolated life. Unless they were raised in a social environment that taught protecting the young -- they're probably not particularly interested.

It is not instinct. It is taught social behavior.

Humans are evolving.

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: Annee

You didn’t answer the question. What’s morally good or virtuous about abortion?

Abortion is an unselfish act to prevent over population and more unwanted children.

a reply to: Annee
Example of the unbelievable mental gymnastics from the Pro-Death Cult.

In one post we see:

Our planet is overcrowded. We can choose not to crowd it more.

Then in the next post we see:

Today -- many humans live more of an isolated life.

Also, can you prove this:

It is not instinct. It is taught social behavior.

originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: Annee
Example of the unbelievable mental gymnastics from the Pro-Death Cult.

In one post we see:

Our planet is overcrowded. We can choose not to crowd it more.

Then in the next post we see:

Today -- many humans live more of an isolated life.

Also, can you prove this:

It is not instinct. It is taught social behavior.

Not sure what your problem is.

My statements are very straight forward.

No Fantasyland. Real World.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: Annee
Example of the unbelievable mental gymnastics from the Pro-Death Cult.

In one post we see:

Our planet is overcrowded. We can choose not to crowd it more.

Then in the next post we see:

Today -- many humans live more of an isolated life.

Also, can you prove this:

It is not instinct. It is taught social behavior.

Not sure what your problem is.

My statements are very straight forward.

No Fantasyland. Real World.

Your comments continue to show flawed logic and contradiction.

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: Annee
Example of the unbelievable mental gymnastics from the Pro-Death Cult.

In one post we see:

Our planet is overcrowded. We can choose not to crowd it more.

Then in the next post we see:

Today -- many humans live more of an isolated life.

Also, can you prove this:

It is not instinct. It is taught social behavior.

Not sure what your problem is.

My statements are very straight forward.

No Fantasyland. Real World.

Your comments continue show flawed logic and contradiction.

No, they continue to show an intelligent person who thinks and is not bound by past society constrictions.

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Quadrivium

I will spell out the points I was trying to make from both of your questions.

Give women alternatives and it is highly likely SOME will choose to not terminate their pregnancies because the alternatives will meet the needs of the women and the children they bring into the world. Isn't it worth a try to save what lives could possibly be saved through giving women and children a leg up in this world?

Absolutely a noble idea.
Honestly, Skokie and Anne have shown me that there are many, many more just like them.
They have the mentality that they can own humans and that some humans are "less than".
They are Nihilistic in nature, just as Slavers and Nazi's were.

Then if you see what the government has done is take away a woman's right to choose - isn't that like owning a human and forcing them to do your will?

I think education would work as well.
Teaching people that actions have consequences.
That you should not have the the "right" to kill another human being because you regret a choice you made.

Society leaves women no other alternative if they don't want the pregnancy.

That killing another human being should NOT be used as a form of birth control.
That sex is how we, as a species, reproduce.

Sex may be the way you reproduce, but for the majority of people it's a necessity (we are sexual not instinctual), fun, and a way most people show their love for each other.

That from the moment of conception to the day you die you are the same human being.
Just a little common sense, really.

Pro-lifers taking away people's freedom without offering them alternatives was a bad move and shows they care nothing for women and children.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: Annee
Example of the unbelievable mental gymnastics from the Pro-Death Cult.

In one post we see:

Our planet is overcrowded. We can choose not to crowd it more.

Then in the next post we see:

Today -- many humans live more of an isolated life.

Also, can you prove this:

It is not instinct. It is taught social behavior.

Not sure what your problem is.

My statements are very straight forward.

No Fantasyland. Real World.

Your comments continue show flawed logic and contradiction.

No, they continue to show an intelligent person who thinks and is not bound by past society constrictions.

Anne, is that what you tell yourself?
Really?
You say "science should not be whitewashed".
Yet, if you don't agree with the science, you whitewash the hell out of it.
You claim to be logical but you are TOTALLY illogical with subjective, obtuse feels and opinions.
You are a walking contradiction in almost every other post.
Your reality, your truth, is subjective.
There is an objective truth, an objective reality, and you continually reject it.
A human beings life begins at conception-fact.
They are the same human being from that point until they die-fact.
In 99% of abortion cases two people MADE A CHOICE to engage in sex knowing there are ONLY TWO 100% effective forms of birth control- fact.
You believe some human beings are property or "less than" human- fact?
The MAJORITY of people are born with a natural instinct to procreate and protect their young.
If you have been damaged in someway, you are A-typical.

Take your subjectivity elsewhere.
Abortion is the violent, premeditated killing of another human being for convenience in 99% of cases.

You have failed to show ANY EVIDENCE (actual objective facts) otherwise.
You only have feelz and opinion.
Subjectiveness.

a reply to: quintessentone

Then if you see what the government has done is take away a woman's right to choose - isn't that like owning a human and forcing them to do your will?

Unless they were raped, they made a free and WILFUL choice.

Society leaves women no other alternative if they don't want the pregnancy.

Did society make the choice for the two people who engaged in the act of reproduction?
Do you want to blame anyone else for their free and WILFUL choice, or are you happy with just blaming and punishing the innocent human being they chose to try and create?

Sex may be the way you reproduce, but for the majority of people it's a necessity (we are sexual not instinctual), fun, and a way most people show their love for each other.

Why?
Seriously, why are we the way we are?
Why is sex fun?
Would you have sex, willing, if it wasn't?
Why is it a "necessity"?
Would you have it, if it wasn't?
It does all those things because it is used to propagate life.
If it didn't do those things, our spiecies would have been extinct long ago.

Pro-lifers taking away people's freedom without offering them alternatives was a bad move and shows they care nothing for women and children.

It is NOT about "pro-lifers taking away people's freedom".
It is about violently killing another human being over a know consequence to a choice that was made.
It seems you are NO different that the others in the Pro-Death Cult.
I had hope but all you have are excuses as to why it is ok for some to consider another human being property or Untermensch.
They are not.
Abortion is the violent, premeditated killing of another human being for convenience in 99% of cases.
Prove me wrong.
Give me something other than subjective feelz and opinions.
I will wait.

a reply to: Quadrivium

Your continued repetition is becoming annoying. I do not agree with you. I have not agreed with you in 73 pages.

I agree with Sooki that until viability it is not a human being. Sooki and I understand the difference between living cells and a "human being".

Again -- what you want is absolute agreement.

Never going to happen

a reply to: Quadrivium

Humans are continually evolving.

Where once large families were desired -- including extended family is not favored today.

Even single-family units "mom - dad - children" is declining in favor.

Where once the elderly was revered -- today they are a burden.

Head of household? That can be anyone.

Marriage is in decline.

Children are a choice -- not a requirement.

Religion is in decline.

Polyamory is on the rise.

Independence, career, no children -- on the rise.

But, Hey! Feel free to stay in your Fantasy Land of Once was.

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: Quadrivium

Your continued repetition is becoming annoying. I do not agree with you. I have not agreed with you in 73 pages.

I agree with Sooki that until viability it is not a human being. Sooki and I understand the difference between living cells and a "human being".

Again -- what you want is absolute agreement.

Never going to happen

See?
You are subjective it every thought.
It honestly DOES NOT MATTER what you "think", what you "believe".
Those things are subjective and faith based.
You want me to deny opjective reality, to lie to myself and you to fit your subjective view of reality.
NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: Quadrivium

Humans are continually evolving.

Where once large families were desired -- including extended family is not favored today.

Even single-family units "mom - dad - children" is declining in favor.

Where once the elderly was revered -- today they are a burden.

Head of household? That can be anyone.

Marriage is in decline.

Children are a choice -- not a requirement.

Religion is in decline.

Polyamory is on the rise.

Independence, career, no children -- on the rise.

But, Hey! Feel free to stay in your Fantasy Land of Once was.

Objectively, can you explain WHY this is happening?

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: Quadrivium

Humans are continually evolving.

Where once large families were desired -- including extended family is not favored today.

Even single-family units "mom - dad - children" is declining in favor.

Where once the elderly was revered -- today they are a burden.

Head of household? That can be anyone.

Marriage is in decline.

Children are a choice -- not a requirement.

Religion is in decline.

Polyamory is on the rise.

Independence, career, no children -- on the rise.

But, Hey! Feel free to stay in your Fantasy Land of Once was.

Objectively, can you explain WHY this is happening?

First sentence: Humans are continually evolving.

Did you miss it?

a reply to: Quadrivium

Hmm, you are giving off nun vibes. Are you a nun or similarly of that nature?