Abortions - Why so bad?

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: Annee

I don’t think you understand the concept of morality. By what standard does abortion meet the definition of being morally good?

You think abortion is a virtuous act?

You're arguing against feeding LIVING children who die every 3 seconds from poverty.

Factually -- there is not one unselfish reason to procreate.

The concept of morality is directly related to selfish or unselfish reasons it would appear. The players born and unborn are secondary considerations, it would appear.

Tell me one unselfish reason to procreate.

Tell me one unselfish reason to feed starving LIVING children.

This is real life. Right now.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: Annee

I don’t think you understand the concept of morality. By what standard does abortion meet the definition of being morally good?

You think abortion is a virtuous act?

You're arguing against feeding LIVING children who die every 3 seconds from poverty.

Factually -- there is not one unselfish reason to procreate.

The concept of morality is directly related to selfish or unselfish reasons it would appear. The players born and unborn are secondary considerations, it would appear.

Tell me one unselfish reason to procreate.

Tell me one unselfish reason to feed starving LIVING children.

Well, if the birth rates continue to decline then humanity is headed for trouble, societies won't be able to maintain existing services etc. So I would consider that one unselfish reason to procreate.

Funny about charity, some psychologists say donors do it for selfish reasons.

So, I guess we all need to dig deep into ourselves and figure out the reasons for our motivations.

a reply to: Tipulatedone
Go to youtube and watch one happen, then after seeing the severed hands, feet, body, head of a tiny person, tell me what you think?

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: Annee

I don’t think you understand the concept of morality. By what standard does abortion meet the definition of being morally good?

You think abortion is a virtuous act?

You're arguing against feeding LIVING children who die every 3 seconds from poverty.

Factually -- there is not one unselfish reason to procreate.

The concept of morality is directly related to selfish or unselfish reasons it would appear. The players born and unborn are secondary considerations, it would appear.

Tell me one unselfish reason to procreate.

Tell me one unselfish reason to feed starving LIVING children.

Well, if the birth rates continue to decline then humanity is headed for trouble, societies won't be able to maintain existing services etc. So I would consider that one unselfish reason to procreate.

Funny about charity, some psychologists say donors do it for selfish reasons.

So, I guess we all need to dig deep into ourselves and figure out the reasons for our motivations.

8 billion people. I'm not worried about the population.

So, need to come up with something besides Capitalism and how to take care of the elderly.

originally posted by: mikescort
a reply to: Tipulatedone
Go to youtube and watch one happen, then after seeing the severed hands, feet, body, head of a tiny person, tell me what you think?

I'm sure it's a video from Pro-Life.

They love the drama. Most are lies though.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: Annee

I don’t think you understand the concept of morality. By what standard does abortion meet the definition of being morally good?

You think abortion is a virtuous act?

You're arguing against feeding LIVING children who die every 3 seconds from poverty.

Factually -- there is not one unselfish reason to procreate.

The concept of morality is directly related to selfish or unselfish reasons it would appear. The players born and unborn are secondary considerations, it would appear.

Tell me one unselfish reason to procreate.

Tell me one unselfish reason to feed starving LIVING children.

Well, if the birth rates continue to decline then humanity is headed for trouble, societies won't be able to maintain existing services etc. So I would consider that one unselfish reason to procreate.

Funny about charity, some psychologists say donors do it for selfish reasons.

So, I guess we all need to dig deep into ourselves and figure out the reasons for our motivations.

8 billion people. I'm not worried about the population.

So, need to come up with something besides Capitalism and how to take care of the elderly.

Low birth rates matter to keep services, even right now, more and more immigrants are being let in (to my country at least) to keep the wheels turning, even when there is not enough housing or programs for them.

The vulnerable in society just need some smart leadership to get into government, and I've been waiting 66 years. Nadda yet.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: Annee

I don’t think you understand the concept of morality. By what standard does abortion meet the definition of being morally good?

You think abortion is a virtuous act?

You're arguing against feeding LIVING children who die every 3 seconds from poverty.

Factually -- there is not one unselfish reason to procreate.

The concept of morality is directly related to selfish or unselfish reasons it would appear. The players born and unborn are secondary considerations, it would appear.

Tell me one unselfish reason to procreate.

Tell me one unselfish reason to feed starving LIVING children.

Funny about charity, some psychologists say donors do it for selfish reasons.

Do you think a starving child cares why?

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: Annee

I don’t think you understand the concept of morality. By what standard does abortion meet the definition of being morally good?

You think abortion is a virtuous act?

You're arguing against feeding LIVING children who die every 3 seconds from poverty.

Factually -- there is not one unselfish reason to procreate.

The concept of morality is directly related to selfish or unselfish reasons it would appear. The players born and unborn are secondary considerations, it would appear.

Tell me one unselfish reason to procreate.

Tell me one unselfish reason to feed starving LIVING children.

Funny about charity, some psychologists say donors do it for selfish reasons.

Do you think a starving child cares why?

I am sure some starving people are asking why the world does not help or care.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: Annee

I don’t think you understand the concept of morality. By what standard does abortion meet the definition of being morally good?

You think abortion is a virtuous act?

You're arguing against feeding LIVING children who die every 3 seconds from poverty.

Factually -- there is not one unselfish reason to procreate.

The concept of morality is directly related to selfish or unselfish reasons it would appear. The players born and unborn are secondary considerations, it would appear.

Tell me one unselfish reason to procreate.

Tell me one unselfish reason to feed starving LIVING children.

Well, if the birth rates continue to decline then humanity is headed for trouble, societies won't be able to maintain existing services etc. So I would consider that one unselfish reason to procreate.

Funny about charity, some psychologists say donors do it for selfish reasons.

So, I guess we all need to dig deep into ourselves and figure out the reasons for our motivations.

8 billion people. I'm not worried about the population.

So, need to come up with something besides Capitalism and how to take care of the elderly.

Low birth rates matter to keep services, even right now, more and more immigrants are being let in (to my country at least) to keep the wheels turning, even when there is not enough housing or programs for them.

What services? There was a time when people grew and cooked their own food.

Imagine no fast-food joints.

I know how Capitalism works. Supply and demand.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: Annee

I don’t think you understand the concept of morality. By what standard does abortion meet the definition of being morally good?

You think abortion is a virtuous act?

You're arguing against feeding LIVING children who die every 3 seconds from poverty.

Factually -- there is not one unselfish reason to procreate.

The concept of morality is directly related to selfish or unselfish reasons it would appear. The players born and unborn are secondary considerations, it would appear.

Tell me one unselfish reason to procreate.

Tell me one unselfish reason to feed starving LIVING children.

Funny about charity, some psychologists say donors do it for selfish reasons.

Do you think a starving child cares why?

I am sure some starving people are asking why the world does not help or care.

You're getting off track.

A starving LIVING child does not care the motif of why a person feeds them.

dp

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: Annee

I don’t think you understand the concept of morality. By what standard does abortion meet the definition of being morally good?

You think abortion is a virtuous act?

You're arguing against feeding LIVING children who die every 3 seconds from poverty.

Factually -- there is not one unselfish reason to procreate.

The concept of morality is directly related to selfish or unselfish reasons it would appear. The players born and unborn are secondary considerations, it would appear.

Tell me one unselfish reason to procreate.

Tell me one unselfish reason to feed starving LIVING children.

Well, if the birth rates continue to decline then humanity is headed for trouble, societies won't be able to maintain existing services etc. So I would consider that one unselfish reason to procreate.

Funny about charity, some psychologists say donors do it for selfish reasons.

So, I guess we all need to dig deep into ourselves and figure out the reasons for our motivations.

8 billion people. I'm not worried about the population.

So, need to come up with something besides Capitalism and how to take care of the elderly.

Low birth rates matter to keep services, even right now, more and more immigrants are being let in (to my country at least) to keep the wheels turning, even when there is not enough housing or programs for them.

What services? There was a time when people grew and cooked their own food.

Imagine no fast-food joints.

I know how Capitalism works. Supply and demand.

Medical, Dental, government monetary assistance for the vulnerable, trades people to build - right now we have a trades people shortage and restaurants can't find people - sure we can all live in encampments in the future - and sure all restaurants can close - but where will the food come from (who knows how to farm?)? Everything and everybody works together to keep the wheel turning.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: Annee

I don’t think you understand the concept of morality. By what standard does abortion meet the definition of being morally good?

You think abortion is a virtuous act?

You're arguing against feeding LIVING children who die every 3 seconds from poverty.

Factually -- there is not one unselfish reason to procreate.

The concept of morality is directly related to selfish or unselfish reasons it would appear. The players born and unborn are secondary considerations, it would appear.

Tell me one unselfish reason to procreate.

Tell me one unselfish reason to feed starving LIVING children.

Funny about charity, some psychologists say donors do it for selfish reasons.

Do you think a starving child cares why?

I am sure some starving people are asking why the world does not help or care.

You're getting off track.

A starving LIVING child does not care the motif of why a person feeds them.

No, they just cry at their mother's feet without having to ask.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: Annee

I don’t think you understand the concept of morality. By what standard does abortion meet the definition of being morally good?

You think abortion is a virtuous act?

You're arguing against feeding LIVING children who die every 3 seconds from poverty.

Factually -- there is not one unselfish reason to procreate.

The concept of morality is directly related to selfish or unselfish reasons it would appear. The players born and unborn are secondary considerations, it would appear.

Tell me one unselfish reason to procreate.

Tell me one unselfish reason to feed starving LIVING children.

Funny about charity, some psychologists say donors do it for selfish reasons.

Do you think a starving child cares why?

I am sure some starving people are asking why the world does not help or care.

You're getting off track.

A starving LIVING child does not care the motif of why a person feeds them.

No, they just cry at their mother's feet without having to ask.

The lucky ones have a mother.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: Annee

I don’t think you understand the concept of morality. By what standard does abortion meet the definition of being morally good?

You think abortion is a virtuous act?

You're arguing against feeding LIVING children who die every 3 seconds from poverty.

Factually -- there is not one unselfish reason to procreate.

The concept of morality is directly related to selfish or unselfish reasons it would appear. The players born and unborn are secondary considerations, it would appear.

Tell me one unselfish reason to procreate.

Tell me one unselfish reason to feed starving LIVING children.

Well, if the birth rates continue to decline then humanity is headed for trouble, societies won't be able to maintain existing services etc. So I would consider that one unselfish reason to procreate.

Funny about charity, some psychologists say donors do it for selfish reasons.

So, I guess we all need to dig deep into ourselves and figure out the reasons for our motivations.

8 billion people. I'm not worried about the population.

So, need to come up with something besides Capitalism and how to take care of the elderly.

Low birth rates matter to keep services, even right now, more and more immigrants are being let in (to my country at least) to keep the wheels turning, even when there is not enough housing or programs for them.

What services? There was a time when people grew and cooked their own food.

Imagine no fast-food joints.

I know how Capitalism works. Supply and demand.

Medical, Dental, government monetary assistance for the vulnerable, trades people to build - right now we have a trades people shortage and restaurants can't find people - sure we can all live in encampments in the future - and sure all restaurants can close - but where will the food come from (who knows how to farm?)? Everything and everybody works together to keep the wheel turning.

Supply and demand.

Capitalism.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: Annee

I don’t think you understand the concept of morality. By what standard does abortion meet the definition of being morally good?

You think abortion is a virtuous act?

You're arguing against feeding LIVING children who die every 3 seconds from poverty.

Factually -- there is not one unselfish reason to procreate.

The concept of morality is directly related to selfish or unselfish reasons it would appear. The players born and unborn are secondary considerations, it would appear.

Tell me one unselfish reason to procreate.

Tell me one unselfish reason to feed starving LIVING children.

Well, if the birth rates continue to decline then humanity is headed for trouble, societies won't be able to maintain existing services etc. So I would consider that one unselfish reason to procreate.

Funny about charity, some psychologists say donors do it for selfish reasons.

So, I guess we all need to dig deep into ourselves and figure out the reasons for our motivations.

8 billion people. I'm not worried about the population.

So, need to come up with something besides Capitalism and how to take care of the elderly.

Low birth rates matter to keep services, even right now, more and more immigrants are being let in (to my country at least) to keep the wheels turning, even when there is not enough housing or programs for them.

What services? There was a time when people grew and cooked their own food.

Imagine no fast-food joints.

I know how Capitalism works. Supply and demand.

Medical, Dental, government monetary assistance for the vulnerable, trades people to build - right now we have a trades people shortage and restaurants can't find people - sure we can all live in encampments in the future - and sure all restaurants can close - but where will the food come from (who knows how to farm?)? Everything and everybody works together to keep the wheel turning.

Supply and demand.

Capitalism.

The societal demands and needs will not change with a change of economic system.

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Grenade

I mean really, I am not playing semantics here. And her BS is legitimate when it comes to a woman's right to choose, because as I theorized previously. If an embryo is deemed viable at a certain stage then it may gain personhood, therefore a woman's right to choose abortion may legally then equal murder.

If this comes to pass then a woman's right to choose what is done with that embryo is taken away. But why should it matter to the woman? She was willing to have the embryo destroyed in the first place? I'm missing the rationale behind why a woman would care if the embryo was saved for freezing as opposed to having it destroyed, except for choice(?).

I have already told you.
It is not about the "right to choose".
It is not about "Reproduction Rights".
To some all that matters is control or the lose there of.
They do not want to save the life.
They want the control to TAKE it.

Perhaps you are beginning to see.
Perhaps not.

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Grenade

I understand your point of view but there is also another point of view, a woman's right to choose - a woman's right to do whatever she wants with her body.

Sigh...
Two people made a choice.
Two people did what they wanted with their bodies.
A third should not be killed because the two made the wrong choice.
The body in her body IS NOT her body.

I want to see pro-lifers/government/religious put their money where their mouths are - invest in cryopreservation and then we can save lives and a woman gets her autonomy restored.

Where's the desire to move forward from pro-lifers?

Again, I have shown that much, much more money is spent by the pro-death cult than pro-life groups.

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Grenade

I mean really, I am not playing semantics here. And her BS is legitimate when it comes to a woman's right to choose, because as I theorized previously. If an embryo is deemed viable at a certain stage then it may gain personhood, therefore a woman's right to choose abortion may legally then equal murder.

If this comes to pass then a woman's right to choose what is done with that embryo is taken away. But why should it matter to the woman? She was willing to have the embryo destroyed in the first place? I'm missing the rationale behind why a woman would care if the embryo was saved for freezing as opposed to having it destroyed, except for choice(?).

I have already told you.
It is not about the "right to choose".
It is not about "Reproduction Rights".
To some all that matters is control or the lose there of.
They do not want to save the life.
They want the control to TAKE it.

Perhaps you are beginning to see.
Perhaps not.

I think you are misleading yourself in what women feel at the time of decision making regarding aborting their pregnancy. If you've never been through it, I feel you really can't judge, especially judging those women in a generalizing fashion.

a reply to: quintessentone

It's varying opinions on when a human being is a human being and viability, mainly in the legal realm.

See, that is the problem. It is not opinion.
It is a simple objective fact.
A human being's life cycle begins at conception.
They continue to develop from that point until adulthood.
Zygote, embryo, fetus, infant, toddler, adolescent and adult are all stages of the life cycle.
They are all the same human being.