Abortions - Why so bad?

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: Sookiechacha

So, still no straight answer.

It is beyond clear, at this point, that they are flawed in some way. Just as Salvers and Nazis were flawed.
They will continually lie and misrepresent the facts to try and prove their nonsensical point of view.
They are a dying breed.....

a reply to: Quadrivium

They are a dying breed.....

Voters in Kansas disagree with you. 4 other states have abortion measures on the ballot today.

Kentucky just voted to protect abortion rights. Vermont and Michigan voters, so far, have voted to protect abortion rights. California also voted to protect abortion rights.

Maybe, you're the dying breed, given the fact that when people vote, they vote in ways that don't support your logic and proof and citations and stuff.

a reply to: Sookiechacha
Facts are facts and they will win in the end.

Abortion is the violent, premeditated killing of another human being for convenience, in 99% of cases.
The end.

a reply to: Tipulatedone

Abortions are generally considered immoral and wrong culturally, prior to the democrats during the obuma regime.

During and since then, it has changed into a form of contraceptive. Which it is not!

But, along the way abortions have become a source of finance for PP and the DNC, via the sales of genetic material, ie baby parts and stem cells.

It originally started as a eugenics plan to depopulate undesirable (by eugenicist standards) races entirely.
Search it, and see, abortions are just another depopulation agenda rebranded as health care.... As if.

So the DNC finances the Planned Parenthood, which gives kickbacks based on profits. Profits from killing babies.

Think about it, and ask yourself your OP question again.

Is the murder of unborn children, actually healthy, or would perhaps having safe sex be smarter and actually healthcare.

Certainly, abortions have their reasons, as an exception however, not as a standard. I don't even understand how this is an issue. If people really wanted to protect the children, they wouldn't be killing them in the womb...

Life has value, I was raised that way. Also after being deployed Into combat, life has more value than ever to me.

People who devalue life, have no values at all, or morals.

You asked for an honest Americans answer, there it is.

a reply to: Quadrivium

...A POTENTIAL human bean.

originally posted by: ADVISOR
a reply to: Tipulatedone


During and since then, it has changed into a form of contraceptive. Which it is not!

Speak for yourself. Not your business why a woman chooses to abort.

But, along the way abortions have become a source of finance for PP and the DNC, via the sales of genetic material, ie baby parts and stem cells.

Been reading anti-abortion sites -- haven't you?

They lie.

a reply to: ADVISOR

Abortions are generally considered immoral and wrong culturally, prior to the democrats during the obuma regime.

That statement is not true, 'generally and specifically' worldwide it is and was mostly legal for various good reasons.

"A woman is a somebody, not some body".

The real-world impact of making abortion illegal:
According to data from the World Health Organization (WHO), the legality of abortion across the world actually has little to no effect on abortion rates throughout the world. Legal or not, abortions can, will, and do take place. The legality of abortion, however, does affect how safe those abortions are. Women who do not have access to a legal abortion frequently turn to illegal or "homemade" abortion options, which are typically much riskier, more dangerous, and less effective than legal options conducted by professional doctors in a clinical setting would be.

worldpopulationreview.com...

Interesting. I fully support genetic testing of a fetus for any abnormality.

In 2021, a landmark case was heard in London’s High Court. A woman sued her mother’s doctor, claiming she should not have been born, and she won.

Twenty-year-old Evie Toombes was born with spina bifida as a direct result of bad advice from her mother’s general practitioner. Dr. Philip Mitchell failed to tell Caroline Toombes, Evie’s mother, to take folic acid and delay conception until her levels of the nutrient were high enough. Instead, Mitchell gave Caroline Toombes the green light to conceive.

www.msn.com... p&cvid=9c3dda2a8b864913b40d42e0f75aedb5

originally posted by: Annee
Interesting. I fully support genetic testing of a fetus for any abnormality.

In 2021, a landmark case was heard in London’s High Court. A woman sued her mother’s doctor, claiming she should not have been born, and she won.

Twenty-year-old Evie Toombes was born with spina bifida as a direct result of bad advice from her mother’s general practitioner. Dr. Philip Mitchell failed to tell Caroline Toombes, Evie’s mother, to take folic acid and delay conception until her levels of the nutrient were high enough. Instead, Mitchell gave Caroline Toombes the green light to conceive.

www.msn.com... p&cvid=9c3dda2a8b864913b40d42e0f75aedb5

Did that doctor also lose his medical license because his medical advice basically caused her lifelong disabilities?

Well I looked Evie up on the internet and now she seems to be living not only what appears to be a life with more quality but now she's also an ambassador for people with invisible and chronic illnesses.

Somehow I think she may have changed her mind about wanting to never have been born because before she sued the doctor for millions, and won the case, she felt alone, isolated and hopeless. Now she is working towards competing in the paralympics and has started writing (another newfound joy in her life).

I think genetic testing should always be a personal decision because not everyone can handle these types of life-changing challenges and stressors and no outsider can make that determination.

But her follow-up story sure paints a positive outcome when one has enough money to overcome barriers and open new doors.

evietoombespararider.com...

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Quadrivium

...A POTENTIAL human bean.

Lie.
You just don't want to mention your "Person-Hood Fairy", so you deny the fact they are human beings instead.
LOL those poor, poor synapses in your head bone are all messed up.

a reply to: Annee

Speak for yourself. Not your business why a woman chooses to abort.

"Speak for yourself. Not your bushiness how many Slaves I own", said the Slaver.

"Speak for yourself. Not your business how many Jews I kill", said the Nazi.

Where would the world be if we only spoke for ourselves?

a reply to: quintessentone

That statement is not true, 'generally and specifically' worldwide it is and was mostly legal for various good reasons.

So was slavery at one point in history. It was considered "good" to those that benefited from it, did that make it right?
ETA: Context

a reply to: Quadrivium

LOL those poor, poor synapses in your head bone are all messed up.

The head bones of 100s of thousands of people in 5 US states just voted against your special "being" status and FOR abortion rights for millions of women. So, I'm in good company.

When you take the abortion issue away from religious nuts and pandering politicians and give it to the people, they'll vote for reproductive rights every time!

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Quadrivium

LOL those poor, poor synapses in your head bone are all messed up.

The head bones of 100s of thousands of people in 5 US states just voted against your special "being" status and FOR abortion rights for millions of women. So, I'm in good company.

And?
Throughout history we see stupid/selfish people voting for stupid/selfish things that hurt others. You are actually in VERY poor company.
Good News though, history teaches us that even if a large section of the population have backwards, warped mentalities, it usually rightens itself.
Just takes time and effort.
I am patient.

When you take the abortion issue away from religious nuts and pandering politicians and give it to the people, they'll vote for reproductive rights every time!

99% of those that have abortions freely exercised their reproduction rights, they could not deal with their decision, so they killed an innocent bystander.
Honestly, you and Anne show FAR more faith (belief without evidence) than many pro-life people I have encountered.

a reply to: Quadrivium

99% of those that have abortions freely exercised their reproduction rights, they could not deal with their decision, so they killed an innocent bystander.

I say that "being" is a willing and culpable participant, whatever the outcome may be.

a reply to: quintessentone

My mother was a polio victim in the 51/52 epidemic. I was 6.

I grew up with a disabled person. 30+ years before the Disability Act.

I know the pains and struggles. You do not stop living. You do what you can to have the fullest life available to you.

But -- I would NEVER intentionally bring a disabled child into this world. It is not a "gift from God" -- that is just stupid.

We have the technology to test fetuses at an early state. Science is not stupid.

originally posted by: loam
a reply to: quintessentone

Still murder.

Wednesday, November 9, 2022

This is a Sad and Tragic development from the state that prides itself on "anything goes".

THE PEOPLE of California have just sentenced themselves to horrible punishment from our creator...from GOD himself.

Nearly two-thirds of California voters approved a measure on the ballot to preserve the “right” to abortion and contraception in the state constitution.

Prop 1., would allow women to receive an abortion up until the time of birth, or when the baby is viable, meaning there are no limitations for when an unborn baby’s life could be cut off.

Source: townhall.com... es-n2615756

You create a life, and one of your children decides to destroy the life you created, as that life is nearing the point of emerging into the world.

That has to be so disappointing to the original creator-parent of that little human boy or girl.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Quadrivium

99% of those that have abortions freely exercised their reproduction rights, they could not deal with their decision, so they killed an innocent bystander.

I say that "being" is a willing and culpable participant, whatever the outcome may be.

And again, if I understand your comment, you are wrong.

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: quintessentone

My mother was a polio victim in the 51/52 epidemic. I was 6.

I grew up with a disabled person. 30+ years before the Disability Act.

I know the pains and struggles. You do not stop living. You do what you can to have the fullest life available to you.

But -- I would NEVER intentionally bring a disabled child into this world. It is not a "gift from God" -- that is just stupid.

We have the technology to test fetuses at an early state. Science is not stupid.

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What?
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How about those with mental issues, psychotic tendencies, those that feel no remorse, no empathy?
Disabilities that are not easily detected?
People like Slavers, Nazis and Pro Abortionist??

originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: quintessentone

That statement is not true, 'generally and specifically' worldwide it is and was mostly legal for various good reasons.

So was slavery at one point in history. It was considered "good" to those that benefited from it, did that make it right?
ETA: Context

Yes let's talk context: it was and is considered necessary to save women's lives, so saving women's lives is good. Your slavery and nazi context mindset is off track for this topic.