Abortions - Why so bad?

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Quadrivium

the Slaves made a choice to be a slave?

I'm not Kanye West, Dude.

State enforced forced birth is involuntary servitude, i.e. slavery

Lies.
If it was a choice you freely made, you can not be a slave.
Your logic is warped as I have showed you time, and time again.

a reply to: Quadrivium

If it was a choice you freely made

Nope. That's the lie.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Quadrivium

If it was a choice you freely made

Nope. That's the lie.

Only in fantasy land.

It is a know fact of life that choices have consequences.

Another human being should not lose their right to life because (in 99% of cases) someone made a bad choice and can't handle the outcome of that choice.

It would be akin to me getting diabetes from eating donuts 3 times a day, then going inside Krispy Kream and shooting an innocent bystander.

a reply to: Quadrivium

Another human being should not lose their right to life because (in 99% of cases) someone made a bad choice and can't handle the outcome of that choice.

Who says a fertilized egg, an embryo or a fetus has a "right" to life, or anything else?

Not nature. Not biology.

That's just, like, your "feelz" man!

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Yet still a human being.

Can anyone tell me what species a foetus or an embryo is a member of?

Been asking for months but no-one seems to want to answer.

Cue the diversion.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

If there is no universal moral authority then I fail to see how good and evil are anything but human constructs and totally subjective.

I guess that’s why atheists find it so easy to support abortion, to them morality is more about personal feelings rather than objective truth.

a reply to: Grenade

It's not a question of what species a fertilized human ovum is, it never was.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

So it should be easy for you to say that a foetus is a human being….. and yet.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Grenade

It's not a question of what species a fertilized human ovum is, it never was.

Exactly.

A biological mechanism to insure survival of a species.

Humans are in no danger of becoming extinct.

Aborting a potential human has no effect on the species. It never was a human.

Those adding their personal emotional status to it -- does not make it so. Changes nothing.

a reply to: Grenade

I have never denied that we're talking about human ova, human sperm and human zygotes. What I do have a problem with is when we bestow "personhood" onto the little critters. That, in my opinion, happens when viability is achieved, and even then it's not fully realized until birth.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Please answer this with a yes or no, simplify it for stupid old me.

Is a human foetus a living human being?

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Grenade

I have never denied that we're talking about human ova, human sperm and human zygotes. What I do have a problem with is when we bestow "personhood" onto the little critters. That, in my opinion, happens when viability is achieved, and even then it's not fully realized until birth.

DITTO

a reply to: Annee

If not human what species was the foetus?

a reply to: Annee

Aborting a potential human has no effect on the species. It never was a human.

You state right here it’s not a human.

a reply to: Grenade

A human being is a person, in my opinion. A human zygote is not a person.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

I said a foetus. A zygote only describes the first few days of HUMAN development.

Again, yes or no?

Is a human foetus a living human being?

It’s a really simple question.

I won’t ask again as clearly it’s too difficult to provide a straight answer.

life
līf
noun
The property or quality that distinguishes living organisms from dead organisms and inanimate matter, manifested in functions such as metabolism, growth, reproduction, and response to stimuli or adaptation to the environment originating from within the organism.

Clearly a foetus meets this definition.

human
hyoo͞′mən
noun
A member of the primate genus Homo, especially a member of the species Homo sapiens

If not human please define which species a foetus belongs to.

being
bē′ĭng
noun
The state or quality of having existence: synonym: existence.

Does a foetus exist?

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Grenade

A human being is a person, in my opinion. A human zygote is not a person.

DITTO

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: Annee

Aborting a potential human has no effect on the species. It never was a human.

You state right here it’s not a human.

Potential human.

a reply to: Grenade

A zygote only describes the first few days of HUMAN development.

Which Quad asserts is a human being with a "right to life".

I said a foetus.

And I said "personhood" may be achieved upon viability.

Even then if doctors need to make a choice between the fetus and the life of the pregnant woman, the pregnant women's choice should be the determining factor.