Putin's Address (September 21, 2022)

originally posted by: turretless
Now I'm off in search of adventure.

I wish everyone good health and good luck.

I can't wish you luck because of your mission, but I will pray for your safe return.

Stay safe buddy.

a reply to: turretless

Now I'm off in search of adventure.

You remind of all those brave souls who went off to fight in the trenches in WWI.
Sold a false dream that achieved nothing, to serve the ego's of false heroes in another pointless and needless war.

I sincerely hope you don't end up the same way as far too many of them did.

originally posted by: turretless
Now I'm off in search of adventure.

I wish everyone good health and good luck.

I sincerely wish you well - and hope you're back posting here again soon

a reply to: turretless

On a Saturday as well.

Bastards could not even leave you in peace till Monday and then pull you out your scratcher?

All the best turretless, try not to get anyone killed, including yourself.

Might not happen if these votes go Russia's way.

a reply to: Stu112

Are they not going door to door armed requiring people to provide them with personal information and tick a box?

Not exactly what i would call very democratic Stu112.

Somehow i imagine the results are established before they even harvest the ""votes"" if that's what you choose to call them.

And how do you establish the will of the people in the provinces that are only half occupied by Russian forces?

Why do people accept what China, the Taliban, Saudi Arabia do to their people with no action from the west but take issue with this? If Russians don't want to fight, they won't.

If Russia takes the Donbas then this is over. Why do the US want to prolong it?

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Stu112

Are they not going door to door armed requiring people to provide them with personal information and tick a box?
Not exactly what i would call very democratic Stu112.

Somehow i imagine the results are established before they even harvest the ""votes"" if that's what you choose to call them.

And how do you establish the will of the people in the provinces that are only half occupied by Russian forces?

a reply to: Stu112

Why do people accept what China, the Taliban, Saudi Arabia do to their people with no action from the west but take issue with this?

Coz China, the Taliban, or Saudi Arabia are not really anywhere near the West springs to mind.

Nor are any of the above threatening to unleash nuclear annihilation should they loose via conventional means.

If Russians don't want to fight, they won't.

I think a lot of people might not have a choice down to conscription, so there is that.

If Russia takes the Donbas then this is over. Why do the US want to prolong it?

War wont be over until Russia goes back home but at least you choose to recognize it for what it is that being war and invasion instead of calling the debacle a ""Special Military Operation"" like so many misguided others.

What way would you choose to vote if someone turned up on your front porch all armed and dangerous demanding you tick a box, their way or the highway?

Plus you are not addressing that big elephant in the room "how do you establish the will of the people in the provinces that are only half occupied by Russian forces"?

www.lbc.co.uk...

originally posted by: Stu112
Might not happen if these votes go Russia's way.

You mean the farce 'votes' that mean absolutely nothing because a) no-one other than Russia will recognise them and b) they're going to have results that are made up and bear no resemblance whatsoever to reality? Those votes?

a reply to: Stu112

Who's accepting of the likes of China or the Taliban?
I haven't got the power to stop my government selling weapons to Saudi Arabia.

Nah this is all down to the fact that a supposed world leader lied and lied again about an invasion and now they threaten nukes and steal land on the biggest farce of the 21st century... That's saying something!

It makes Iraq and Afghanistan look like a bunch of kids playing Sheriff, I saw plenty of people do what they could against those wars too. There's a fine line between passion and extremism though. The general public don't care usually hence why you have an opinion of inaction when the reality is non of these groups/nations have went far enough to force global responses in the way Russia just did.

Loud mouth protesters don't force government hands, what did you want people to do? Blow up Russian gas lines, attack Saudi oil refineries and sink Chinese megaships? Kill politicians?

If Russia takes the Donbas then this is over. Why do the US want to prolong it?

If Russia "wins" everything that was fought for in the 20th century was for nothing. The 21st century standard will be set. If Russia wins some "elections" this has only just begun.

Watch how the East reacts.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: Stu112
Might not happen if these votes go Russia's way.

You mean the farce 'votes' that mean absolutely nothing because a) no-one other than Russia will recognise them and b) they're going to have results that are made up and bear no resemblance whatsoever to reality? Those votes?

Doesn't matter what any other country thinks. If the regions choose to be part of Russia, any attack will be seen as an attack on russian soil.

Then there will be hell.

Who knows, maybe they won't want to be part of Russia, we will see in a few days.

Yes those votes that will eventually be swept under the rug but allowed to continue like Crimea was.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: Stu112
Might not happen if these votes go Russia's way.

You mean the farce 'votes' that mean absolutely nothing because a) no-one other than Russia will recognise them and b) they're going to have results that are made up and bear no resemblance whatsoever to reality? Those votes?

originally posted by: Nexttimemaybe

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: Stu112
Might not happen if these votes go Russia's way.

You mean the farce 'votes' that mean absolutely nothing because a) no-one other than Russia will recognise them and b) they're going to have results that are made up and bear no resemblance whatsoever to reality? Those votes?

Doesn't matter what any other country thinks. If the regions choose to be part of Russia, any attack will be seen as an attack on russian soil.

Then there will be hell.

Who knows, maybe they won't want to be part of Russia, we will see in a few days.

The regions have been depopulated by evacuation, war and whatever the hell Russia is playing at by stealing people, so the votes are meaningless. I strongly suspect that Putin will dictate what the results are and wonder why everyone else laughs and ignores the referenda. They are only being done to give a figleaf of legal justification to his desperate hail mary 'mobilisation', not that the latter will get any results. The man's literally clinging on by his fingernails. Everything he's done in this war of his own making has been a disaster.

It's not everything, it's part of a country they previously held.

This is also no worse than Iraq or Afghanistan, if anything it's less given that Russia don't have the weapons and what Ukraine have can only be launched in their own country.

Feel free to post up bodycount comparisons if required.

The west are hated by the east, most of the EU also hat the US and UK so we may as well get used to things not going our way.

It's a brave new world.

originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: Stu112

Who's accepting of the likes of China or the Taliban?
I haven't got the power to stop my government selling weapons to Saudi Arabia.

Nah this is all down to the fact that a supposed world leader lied and lied again about an invasion and now they threaten nukes and steal land on the biggest farce of the 21st century... That's saying something!

It makes Iraq and Afghanistan look like a bunch of kids playing Sheriff, I saw plenty of people do what they could against those wars too. There's a fine line between passion and extremism though. The general public don't care usually hence why you have an opinion of inaction when the reality is non of these groups/nations have went far enough to force global responses in the way Russia just did.

Loud mouth protesters don't force government hands, what did you want people to do? Blow up Russian gas lines, attack Saudi oil refineries and sink Chinese megaships? Kill politicians?

If Russia takes the Donbas then this is over. Why do the US want to prolong it?

If Russia "wins" everything that was fought for in the 20th century was for nothing. The 21st century standard will be set. If Russia wins some "elections" this has only just begun.

Watch how the East reacts.

a reply to: Stu112

It's not everything, it's part of a country they previously held.

The nation was part of the former Soviet Union not part of Russia far as im aware.

And if the East hate the West so much, why are they so fascinated with our stuff?

Even where there was a cold war in place that as the case Stu112.

What stuff do the west make that's so fascinating? Music?film? #ty fame hungering reality TV?

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Stu112

It's not everything, it's part of a country they previously held.

The nation was part of the former Soviet Union not part of Russia far as im aware.

And if the east hate the West so much, why are they so fascinated with our stuff?

Even where their was a cold war in place that as the case Stu112.

a reply to: Stu112

Aside from music, computers(PC), consoles, walkman, games, vcr, clothing, makeup, and half decent automobiles spring to mind.

Well thats what a lot of people from the Soviet era tried to get their hands on from the West during the last cold war if memory serves.

What was it the West were interested in getting smuggled out of Russia?

a reply to: Stu112

It's not everything, it's part of a country they previously held.

Technically Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union which collapsed. Ukraine announced it's independence in Aug 1991 several months before the Union collapsed.

This is also no worse than Iraq or Afghanistan, if anything it's less given that Russia don't have the weapons and what Ukraine have can only be launched in their own country.

The western coalitions were successful in ousting governments, I guess we'll never know if they'd just start claiming territories with dodgy referendums if they were losing... This is nothing like Iraq or Afghanistan which often butchered the naiveness of people "wanting to go help" or "go do a good job" the likelihood of making a 51st and 52nd state or a new addition to the kingdom was never on the cards.

No comparison.

Feel free to post up bodycount comparisons if required.

Predictable. Shall we compare when multiple sides including extremists have started attacking civilians and their infrastructure? Apples and oranges for now.

Russian dead plays right into the hands of western philosophy on modern warfare...

The west are hated by the east, most of the EU also hat the US and UK so we may as well get used to things not going our way.

The west hate the west and the east hate the east too, I've met very very few Englishmen who don't hate themselves deep down.

Appreciate your hate, we clearly all do it.

Now if you want to talk about doing something about it then I'll tell you that there's always someone bigger and harder, if people want to take then others have less to loose. Just basic conundrums that have had this world in a dizzy spell for a long time.

The theme and the mind of the victors has never changed, maybe "they" fabricated our past? Highly doubtful though, we're always stronger together.

It's a brave new world.

Every morning, for some.
Same old sun, same old earth. I'm unconvinced there's something new.

a reply to: andy06shake

What was it the West were interested in getting smuggled out of Russia?

Titanium...

a reply to: RAY1990

Aye true, and build some of the SR-71s airframe, or its predecessor, out of the stuff precured through a third party.

I was more meaning just like what the everyday person wanted all the same.

We made cool stuff that they wanted, not the other way about far as i can remember.