Putin's Address (September 21, 2022)

originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: turretless

The Scottish have a high % of Anglophobic people does that excuse me to invade the place? Especially considering in the next 5-10 years there's a strong chance they'll become independent?

Personally I insist they get every opportunity to express democracy unhindered, maybe if the full kingdom got the privilege we'd vote Westminster out... One can dream eh?

Ukraine is a nation, show it the respect that should be given to sovereign nations that wish to define their own destiny. If that destiny doesn't involve Russia maybe you should've been nicer to your neighbours.

When the Scots begin to kill the British and the British will calmly look at it for many years without doing anything in response, then I admit that perhaps we were wrong in Ukraine.

a reply to: turretless

Buddy you don't have the equipment or military toys to accommodate 25 million people.

About half of your tanks and APC are destroyed on the battlefield and the majority of your precision guided munitions already expended without any sort of realistic manner of replacing such.

Like i suggest turretless a lot of people are apt to become nothing more than expendable cannon fodder.

And believe it or not, nobody wishes to see people die for Putin's lost cause.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: turretless

Aye, after trying to deny the dude was even really Russian if memory serves.

And offering up every excuse you could muster regarding his antics.

End of the day the fellow was of Russian origin, clearly a piece of Nazi scum, and sent to fight.

Aka one of your own beloved Nazi pieces of #.

Watch the video carefully again.

He said that he was beaten for this Nazi tattoo.

a reply to: turretless

When the Scots begin to kill the British and the British will calmly look at it for many years without doing anything in response, then I admit that perhaps we were wrong in Ukraine.

Who are we killing now? LoL

We don't hate the English turretless, just Westminster rule.

And the last time we fought nation against nation was 10 September 1547, aka the battle of Pinkie Cleugh.

You don't half come away with some amount of #.

a reply to: turretless

Aye we have been through this, Nazi scum tell porky pies in an endeavor to save their own skin.

Your Man, now that you even admit he exists, was from Russia, no denying that fact, a criminal, who fought against Ukraine, got captured, and a right good few kickings by the looks of it, more than lightly down to the stupid tat coving most of his upper back.

Meep meep.

a reply to: turretless

I could refer you to the border wars but we learnt from history. Their was no "British" beforehand other than a cultural one which played a huge role in the union.

Scots will kill English if we foment rebellions in Scotland, there's more recent history a little westwards that more aptly fits that scenario but the solutions are ironically the same. The slightly more educated and aware understand this... That's not to slate others intelligence or anything.

I actually failed school It's not a curriculum thing.

a reply to: andy06shake

I've had beers with daft arse Scots before, I fondly remember everyone ripping the piss out of them. Beyond the banter we really are family.

I'm from the north and culturally and even in a dialect sense I'm more Scottish than "Anglo" my family names are Scottish, my accent is near cheap Scottish... I might be a Scottish refugee!

The legend of Arthur was a joining of clans that normally hated each other, to fight the lowland invaders. We'd do it again if we need to, always have.

Cats out the bag these days too, we kinda know we're family and most don't give in too much to the usual divides.

a reply to: RAY1990

Im Scottish RAY1990, but my dads side of the family are predominantly from down South.

From what i understand most of them are not exactly tickettyboo about Westminster rule nether.

As to Arthurian legend, that's always been of interest to me.

One of my favorite movies when i was a lad in the 80s was Excalibur.

originally posted by: turretless

originally posted by: AndyMayhew

originally posted by: turretless

I see it as a war against the rulers who came to power in Ukraine as a result of a coup and tried to make Ukraine a Russophobic country in every sense.

If people do not like you (for whatever reason) do you act kindly to change their minds, or kill them? Do you ever ask yourself why people might not like you, and prefer someone else? Is it something you said or did, perhaps?

In any case, whilst you may consider the war far more justifiable than I ever will, I hope you remain safe (and ideally fail the medical!)

Not loving us is one thing, but killing us is another.

Not loving Ukraine is one thing, but repeatedly invading Ukraine is another.

originally posted by: turretless

originally posted by: AndyMayhew

originally posted by: turretless

I do not want a Nazi state to exist next to Russia, the main driving force of which is Russophobia.

The important point is: Most Ukrainians are not Nazis.

An additional circumstance is that the Nazis are in power and have the ability to give orders (and control their execution) to the entire population of Ukraine.

The 'nazis' run Ukraine?

Got any evidence for that whopper?

originally posted by: turretless
When the Scots begin to kill the British and the British will calmly look at it for many years without doing anything in response, then I admit that perhaps we were wrong in Ukraine.

The correct analogy is if Scotland became independent and then English terrorists, with support of Westminster, took control of part of Scotland, kidnapped, tortured and murdered those who opposed them, and then found themselves attacked by Scots who didn't like the English.

originally posted by: turretless

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher

originally posted by: turretless

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: turretless

I don't think its my wishes you will have to contend with turretless.

I'm not stupid enough to go off to fight anybody that's not invading my nation.

If you wish to go and fight for an ars*hole like Putin be my guest.

Just don't be surprised when its not all its cracked up to be.

Or if you end up screaming for your mammy at some future date.

In some foxhole whilst artillery shells and missile strikes burst around your ears.

War is hell apparently son and the road to such paved with good intensions.

Russians in Donbass were killed for 8 years.

If you haven't noticed this, then buy new glasses.

Did russia invade Ukraine 8 years ago?

Are Ukrainians not allowed to defend their country?

All these years, Russia has been trying to negotiate with Ukraine to stop these killings. This was called the Minsk agreements.

Are Ukrainians allowed to kill Russians?

russia did not attempt to 'negotiate, they demanded that Ukraine surrender Ukrainian territory to russia or face another invasion.


That is a threat.

Not an offer to 'negotiate.

a reply to: poncho1982


What % of Azovs are nazis?


What % would justify invading Ukraine?

a reply to: andy06shake

Nicol Williamson as Merlin absolutely stole that movie.

Second best Arthurian legend movie ever made ( after of course Monty Python and the Holy Grail)

originally posted by: poncho1982

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher
a reply to: lostgirl


And?

Everybody knows Ukraine has nazis.

Same with russia, Germany, US, amd a whole lot of other countries.

Ukraine was not 'run by nazis', and even if they were, it still isn't any justification for invading them.



Or russia, n korea, cuba, venezuela and china would be in a whole lotta trouble right now, because they actually ARE run by a nazi equivalent.

Except, in other countries, they live in fear, and in hiding, and are not openly displaying the symbols.

Ukraine seems to allow them to be more open in their Nazism.

So russia invaded Ukraine?

Over the words of 'nazis'?




Have you ever heard the words of n korea or iran

Should we immediately invade them and annex their land?

originally posted by: turretless

originally posted by: MidnightWatcher


"I do not see this war as you attribute to me."




Interesting choice of words Turret.

How do you see the war?

I see it as a war against the rulers who came to power in Ukraine as a result of a coup and tried to make Ukraine a Russophobic country in every sense.

I see.

Thank you for that.

a reply to: ScepticScot

Most definitely ScepticScot.

I preferred "The Life of Brian" to "The Holy Grail" but aye was a funny movie.

a reply to: andy06shake

A knah ya Scottish! hard to miss it sometimes... Lol

Tbh I never knew too much about the Arthurian legend, grew up on Scottish rave and joining of the clans was always a classic, to be on topic though the point I was getting at is you'll never break the ability for like-minded individuals to band together.

That's what the Russians cannot understand with Ukraine, they want to be free. It's possible everything they say about the Ukrainian government is true, I'd say it doesn't matter because once the Ukrainians find out (if there's truth) then they'll destroy the government themselves.

They've shown that tenacity, sure every movement is hijacked... Numbers don't lie, Ukraine told Russia to do one and now they're repeating it aggressively. Minds like that don't change.

It's possible I'm framing that as the same fight people have had over the millennia, ya know? The fight for freedom... I just don't think I am though.

a reply to: RAY1990

All Russia would win, even if they did somehow manage to occupy or subdue Ukraine is another Northern Ireland troubles scenario on steroids, 9 times the size of the island or thereabouts.

Its a completely untenable situation and Russia lost in the first 3 days when they failed to achieve their goals and military objectives and when they were not welcomed with open arms far as i can establish.

originally posted by: turretless

originally posted by: nugget1

originally posted by: turretless

originally posted by: nugget1

originally posted by: TritonTaranis

originally posted by: nugget1

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: nugget1

Russia is not a massively corrupt regime?

Is Russia more corrupt than the good ol' USA? Do people ever get tired of being fed propaganda which requires them to pick sides and hate their OWN COUNTRY

Speaking of propaganda

i did a correction for you IN CAPS

I didn't grow up being taught in school to hate my own country, but I DID get educated in school to hate Russian and every Russian person drawing breath.

May you give some details about this?

In what form did this take place?

Communism was taught as a bad thing back in my day, with Stalin having been an evil dictator and replaced by the ever more evil Brezhnev, then Khrushchevere. They were all depicted as a threat to the entire world, and from the day Putin took office the world became even less safe according to news reports.

The SU/Russia were always invading other countries and slaughtering the citizens, hampering any world good the USA was trying to do around the globe.

I found myself wondering why we had joint military exercises with 'the enemy', and joint space missions.

There's always two sides to every story, and if you replace USA for Russia the story of history reads the same.

Thanks for your information.

I just wanted to know how it was organized?

Did schoolchildren prepare special reports about how bad the USSR is, or was it just written in textbooks?

None of the above. Teachers were always more than willing to tell the history class why Russia is a danger to the world, and the topic came up often on the evening news- always presenting the USSR and it's leaders as a great threat to democracy.

The US demonizes any nation that doesn't opt in to the control system, it seems. I don't know what life is like in Russia, but I do know the very long history of corruption in the USA and don't think we have the right to be subversely controlling any other nation.

Just my personal opinion.