My problem with anti vaxxers

So I have been following the anti vax on and off for some time. On the face of it it seems potentially dangerous to inject a vaccine that has been developed so quickly, so I'm interested in information from all sides.

I find anti vac arguments come in 2 ways.

1. The first is anecdotal evidence. By this I mean someone posts about their friend/cousin relative etc who wasn't well after the vaccine. There are millions even billions of people vaccinated and one or two personal examples cannot affect the statistical numbers vaccinated.

2. A link to a source is provided, say a doctor or a statistician. When the professional is researched they always it seems end up with dubious reputations and a history of discredited practices.

So what I would like to know is, is there any actual evidence that isn't about some unknown friend or from a professional without a history of strange beliefs?





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a reply to: littlecorn
My problem with people that only ever know black/white; pro/anti:

Besides the fact these people are internally weak and insecure, they also need to project that onto others. Labeling them gives them a false sense of stability and righteousness, so they can make threads on internet forums that serve no other purpose than showcasing their ignorance about the mechanics of this world.

So what I would like to know is, is there any actual evidence that isn't about some unknown friend or from a professional without a history of strange beliefs?

Here, me. But you would not believe it, because for you it is anecdotal, because I am unknown to you.

Been waiting for this thread. Thanks.

And I hope for realistic discussion.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2
There is not one vaccine on the market that does not have any side effects.

Since you are labeling my suffering as "making extraordinary claims", it's you who should prove that there are NO damages from this vaccine.

How you like that? Some evidence about that perhaps? And again, please tell me what you would deem as "evidence". Make the call and enlighten us. What would be enough for you? Two different doctors and permanent ICD codes?

You're not really THAT dumb to think I am so dumb (maybe not project so much) to post my medical files here. And even if I did with my private data obscured, you would call fake anyways.

So troll away, troll.

a reply to: littlecorn

Here’s the reality, and one that most don’t want to admit.

Some people have/will die of Covid
Some people have/will die from the vaccines

We will probably never know the true numbers to either.
We will probably never know if the vaccines could have greatly helped some while maybe harming others, ie, older people vs younger, comorbidities etc.

I know for sure, it shouldn’t have been forced and people should not have lost their jobs over it. That was wrong.

a reply to: littlecorn

What are you looking for in a source, exactly? Most every doctor could have dirt pulled up on them with the media doing everything to discredit the movement of people against MRNA vaccinations.

a reply to: littlecorn

I think the real issue here is massive loss of intelligence. Most who opted not to get the shot would have done so quietly, and likely took most of their other vaccines, but due to being placed in some box as a criminal, anti-vaxer, killer of Grandma, MAGA something or other, made us/them rather vocal.

I know for my own perspective, I was apprehensive over how hard they pushed for EVERYONE to get the shot, and ignored the science of natural immunity to further that agenda. They lied...a lot. So it's a trust thing at this point. And if you are a non DERP kind of person, you may understand Newton's third law, and see that the equal and opposite reaction of trying to force everyone to take the shot, is people coming up with all sorts of reasons NOT to take it.

Good news is, it's done. If the shot is going to kill most of those who took it, real estate will be mighty cheap in the near future. If that isn't the case, then things will go on largely as they have for millions of years.

Why are you just asking this now? did you just wake up?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: TDDAgain

See what I mean?

Some evidence, perhaps?

I'm with you.

I honestly don't think I've read any legitimate, factual, reason for anti-vax.

Other than perhaps -- "I don't want to".

a reply to: littlecorn

Sounds like you've already made up your mind that anti-vaxers are full of malarky.

You say ALL those making claims against the vax are charlatans and crackpots:
"...they always it seems end up with dubious reputations and a history of discredited practices."

...and there are only a few anecdotal stories against billions:
"There are millions even billions of people vaccinated and one or two personal examples".

You should probably just 'vax up'...and don't forget all those boosters.

I have a problem with ppl who lack critical thinking.
Ops. At second though I don't. They will just make more space for me at this planet/disk.
Now I have started to think like the globalist.
"We Just Don’t Need the Vast Majority of the Population’ in Today’s World."

a reply to: littlecorn


Ummm...what if it's..."none of the above"...?

What if it's...none of your damned business...?

What if it's..."My body...My choice"...?

What if...?





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a reply to: littlecorn

No. Just that and your gut. Do you trust Big Pharma that much? I don't. To me it seems like Common Sense not to put into my body what some people I consider to be incompetent and cold hearted and stupid, most of all stupid have concocted.
It is very likely we're going to see real negative effects very soon on people who take more and more of that vaccine. It's a cumulative issue. Some more sensitive people had issues after the first shot.
Give it a little time.

a reply to: littlecorn

You do realize the difference between a Vaccines and MRNA injection? Can you tell us what one you are referring to?

I am not Anti anything I am however a MRNA Skeptic especially when the ones pushing it are heavily lobbied deceivers.

I can tell you from experience that I was a healthy child until I was vaccinated then it was asthma, annually chest infections, cold sores, eczema. Coincidence? maybe so I had it for 10 years then I stopped getting any type of shot. All went away. Coincidence? Maybe.

I am just one person but the amount of money made from me being sick had to be a lot. Puffers, creams, steroids, antibiotics. Times that by millions and that's a pretty good haul.

DO you really still believe that the health care system is to help and not profit?

How is this still a discussion?

Heres the best course to take- If you are liberal, you should absolutely not worry about a thing, and you should get all vaccines and boosters. Dont pay any attention to the conservative posters on here. They dont know anything that you need to know.

originally posted by: littlecorn
So I have been following the anti vax on and off for some time. On the face of it it seems potentially dangerous to inject a vaccine that has been developed so quickly, so I'm interested in information from all sides.

I find anti vac arguments come in 2 ways.

1. The first is anecdotal evidence. By this I mean someone posts about their friend/cousin relative etc who wasn't well after the vaccine. There are millions even billions of people vaccinated and one or two personal examples cannot affect the statistical numbers vaccinated.

2. A link to a source is provided, say a doctor or a statistician. When the professional is researched they always it seems end up with dubious reputations and a history of discredited practices.

So what I would like to know is, is there any actual evidence that isn't about some unknown friend or from a professional without a history of strange beliefs?

What does "anti vaxxer" mean?

Is it someone who didn't get their childhood immunizations or is it someone who didn't get 1 vaccine?

You have to define it first.


If I don't like Hondas, does that make me anti car?


See how ridiculous that sounds?

Before you can attempt to argue whatever it is you're trying to argue you have to base it on sound logic. Otherwise its meaningless.