England and Wales excess deaths terrifying MSM

a reply to: ElGoobero

in the uk this was demonstrated by the speccy with the omicron modellers admitting to crafting models for predetermined policy decisions rather than models to help policy makers come to whatever decision..

the noise of these numbers has been floating around for weeks as a reason for the Caesar like coup.. though at this juncture of the race to be the next pm it'll help ensure the incoming leader is not led down the pash to restrictions again or remain in lockstep with other leaders..

originally posted by: surfer_soul

No the mortality rate was 0.4% it’s probably even less than that now things have gone back to “normal”

It is currently 1.1% overall.

originally posted by: surfer_soul
a reply to: chr0naut

1. Does not believe that the disease is 'that bad'. 2. Believes that people are dying from every different potential immunization against the disease and are advising everyone to avoid them. 3. Disagrees with taking any other precautions of any kind (like masks or lock-downs or self-isolation). I, personally, blame them for the situations they both are causing and extending.

1. For the vast majority it isn’t.

6 million people dead from it in three years is still something that you wouldn't want.

2. Potential immunisation, yes potential being the operative word as it doesn’t provide immunity. So it’s reasonable to question what it’s actually doing.

All vaccines so far do provide a significant level of increased immunity, but no vaccine ever has provided 100% perfect immunity.

3. Non of these measures worked and in fact did more long term harm than good.

These measures worked in several countries where they were actually practiced by most of the population. They don't work where people go to football games, and protests, and political rallies, at the very height of a pandemic. Funny that.

And as for the 'damage' they do, here's a link of the number of bankruptcies by year in the US. What do you notice? United States Bankruptcies - Trading Economics

So people questioning the narrative pushed by the globalists who own the MSM and pharma are the ones causing and extending the situation somehow? Just wow.
No doubt you would rather see on going lockdowns and consequently economy’s tanked with people masked up and self isolating for the rest of their lives?
I blame the suckers like you personally.

Nah, you aren't looking at the actual data. You are totally committed to the unfeasible giant conspiracy doom-porn.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

You're seriously suggesting that I'm personally altering data at a national level?

Not at all, in regards to your claim

So, yes, in order to fake these numbers you would not only need to corrupt or threaten potentially millions of people in every country

Nobody had to corrupt you did they?

originally posted by: nickyw
a reply to: ElGoobero

in the uk this was demonstrated by the speccy with the omicron modellers admitting to crafting models for predetermined policy decisions rather than models to help policy makers come to whatever decision..

the noise of these numbers has been floating around for weeks as a reason for the Caesar like coup.. though at this juncture of the race to be the next pm it'll help ensure the incoming leader is not led down the pash to restrictions again or remain in lockstep with other leaders..

Do you have a reputable citation for literally any of that, or is this just your own personal opinion?

a reply to: Randyvine2

What does that have to do with anything that I've said?

The facts are pretty simple. When you take the data from local groups, such as country coroners, and you compare it to the data from federal groups such as the CDC, they match up nice and neatly. Which means that either the CDC data is accurate or the local data was corrupted at it's source. Which would mean that hundreds of thousands of people as a minimum would need to be part of the conspiracy.

For example, if you were to look at the country coroner data from a red state like Alabama or Mississippi, and they said that 100 people died form covid but 2000 died from the vax, you'd expect that the CDC would say the same thing. If the CDC records are different then you know that they have been altered by the CDC.

originally posted by: Randyvine2
a reply to: AaarghZombies

You're seriously suggesting that I'm personally altering data at a national level?

Not at all, in regards to your claim

So, yes, in order to fake these numbers you would not only need to corrupt or threaten potentially millions of people in every country

Nobody had to corrupt you did they?

You do realize that this speculative paper (which does not prove that the SARS-CoV-2 virus is actually altering DNA) was talking about the virus, and not about the vaccines.

And the mRNA vaccines, as very specific as they are, are even further from likelihood that they could be altering our DNA.

a reply to: chr0naut

6 million people dead from it in three years is still something that you wouldn't want.

That doesn’t change the fact that vast majority get over it just fine, about 5 million die from the flu every year for comparison.

All vaccines so far do provide a significant level of increased immunity, but no vaccine ever has provided 100% perfect immunity.

It’s so different from conventional vaccines they had to change the definition to make it fit. They were issued under emergency authorisation when there was no emergency, mandated for many, and the makers were granted indemnity. It doesn’t compare to other vaccines at all.

They don't work where people go to football games, and protests, and political rallies, at the very height of a pandemic. Funny that.

What’s funny is how BML protests at the height of the pandemic were allowed and ok, but Canadian truckers and their supporters were defunded. No obvious and glaring bias there! Never mind Sweden didn’t even have a lockdown, they managed, how obvious does the lie have to be?

And as for the 'damage' they do, here's a link of the number of bankruptcies by year in the US. What do you notice? United States Bankruptcies - Trading Economics

You do realise the various governments paid for everything to be shut down so that business didn’t go bankrupt immediately? You dorealise the humongous amounts of debt created and hence the inflation that will impact the economy severely for years to come? There will be far more lives impacted and lost due to government actions and hyperbole than covid could ever have done.

a reply to: Iconic

Yes,
www.thesun.co.uk...

Looks like the same chart

a reply to: TonyS

Thre's a link to the Telegraph article, but it's locked up behind a paywall

a reply to: AaarghZombies

you're the on in the know about all the various countries data sources so you show me up as liar..

though to snarky, I'll give you a hint, if you read the articles to prove them wrong then you would have got to the ons report that is behind the headlines

as for the modeling that was the speccy coup back in December when they pinned down the modellers to what happened it pretty much made a huge splash when it happened, equally the noise on non covid excess deaths started just before the coup in places like "theweek"..

working in mutuality I've been keeping an eye on the actuaries and data/explanations from the ARG the CMI and ONS to validate the NHS data at some points the NHS has been glossed over the non covid excess deaths, if you had you might have looked at the data, increase in at home deaths and come to the conclusion the NHS was failing which was the reason given this time last year..

but below the line the comments are this is one of the reasons the Spartans turned on Johnson and it all turned very Julius Caesar..

a reply to: chr0naut

I bet it's closer to two thousand more deaths each week.

What's next coincidence?

Not looking to argue, just discussing this, but I do find it interesting and it keeps me busy.

As a stats nerd, I believe after 2 plus years we should be able to glean some useful information from all the stats.

The WHO numbers shockingly now have New Zealand pulling 3 times the COVID deaths in the last 7 days per 100,000(2.468) than even the US(.0882) and even the extremely low global average (.19). FWIW that's 3rd globally. Is this just because it is winter in the southern hemisphere?

What are the chances that as COVID progresses long term some countries just spread out their deaths over the years while others seem to have taken a higher portion all at once?

It also seems currently out of the top 11 CDP100KL7D 9 of those are "island nations" or groups of islands.

covid19.who.int...



Even more interesting if you happen to follow the link to the WHO data or actually look at the image here, they have a section for World Bank income groups separated from higher to lower, FWIW the higher and upper-middle-income nations are still pulling 73 CDP100KL7D while the lower middle and lower income countries are pulling an astonishingly low 3.86 CDP100KL7D. Currently, that is 18 times less than the upper-tiered countries.

a reply to: TonyS

the ons report the torygraph and other media use can be downloaded from the ons..

the likes of the torygrapgh are probably using these key paragraphs for their headlines

The number of deaths was above the five-year average in private homes (28.1% above, 681 excess deaths), hospitals (13.5% above, 565 excess deaths) and care homes (6.0% above, 117 excess deaths)

so we can see most excess deaths are happening in the home, but there has been a rise since July..

working with actuaries I tend to follow the ons numbers paired with thoes from the CMI & ARG

this is probably the paragraph where the claim excess death are higher than covid deaths comes from..

The number of deaths registered in the UK in the week ending 5 August 2022 (Week 31) was 12,126, which was 13.9% above the five-year average (1,480 excess deaths); of these deaths, 799 involved COVID-19, which was 124 fewer than in Week 30.

ons report

a reply to: chr0naut

It's called reverse transcription, and yes, it's about covid not the vax.

Reverse transcription has been hypothesised as one reason why some people might keep triggering PCR, long after they've kicked covid to the kurb.

a reply to: nickyw

you're the on in the know about all the various countries data sources so you show me up as liar..

Sources are in my signature. Plus, the onus is person who makes the claim must prove it.

if you read the articles to prove them wrong then you would have got to the ons report that is behind the headlines

Data is freely available, you can also go to the bodies that generate the data and get it from them.

as for the modeling that was the speccy coup back in December when they pinned down the modellers to what happened it pretty much made a huge splash when it happened, equally the noise on non covid excess deaths started just before the coup in places like "theweek"..

Source, please.

working in mutuality I've been keeping an eye on the actuaries and data/explanations from the ARG the CMI and ONS

Of course, you're going to share this with us, yes?

My sources are in my signature, where are yours?

originally posted by: surfer_soul
a reply to: chr0naut

6 million people dead from it in three years is still something that you wouldn't want.

That doesn’t change the fact that vast majority get over it just fine

The majority of car crashes aren't fatal. People get over them just fine.

, about 5 million die from the flu every year for comparison.

Nope. Influenza (Seasonal) - WHO

All vaccines so far do provide a significant level of increased immunity, but no vaccine ever has provided 100% perfect immunity.

It’s so different from conventional vaccines they had to change the definition to make it fit. They were issued under emergency authorisation when there was no emergency, mandated for many, and the makers were granted indemnity. It doesn’t compare to other vaccines at all.

Again, that is wrong. Some vaccines such as those against TB, are less than 50% effective. TB Vaccine (BCG) - CDC

The smallpox vaccine, which was used to eliminate smallpox from the world, has exactly the same effectiveness against smallpox as the Pfizer Comirnaty vaccine has against the Alpha strain of SARS-CoV-2 (95%): Vaccine Basics - smallpox - CDC

Only the pox virus vaccines are made from the vaccinnia virus. Immunizations made of anything other than the vaccinnia virus probably shouldn't be called vaccines. In other countries they refer to 'innoculations' or 'immunizations' but the US is, like, 'fully American', LOL.

And vaccine technology changes all the time. The dictionary definition of a vaccine is entirely irrelevant to the effects of a vaccine compound medically. This does not stop 'Muricun' people from being 'Muricun' about the significance of a word definition. LOL.

They don't work where people go to football games, and protests, and political rallies, at the very height of a pandemic. Funny that.

What’s funny is how BML protests at the height of the pandemic were allowed and ok, but Canadian truckers and their supporters were defunded.

Nope they are all of them 'Muricuns' being 'Muricun'.

LOL.

No obvious and glaring bias there! Never mind Sweden didn’t even have a lockdown, they managed, how obvious does the lie have to be?

I seem to recall they kicked out their government due to the incredibly bad mishandling of the pandemic. In comparison to neighboring countries with similar populations, they did execrably poorly:

Did Sweden beat the pandemic by refusing to lock down? No, its record is disastrous

The Swedish COVID-19 Response Is a Disaster. It Shouldn’t Be a Model for the Rest of the World - Time

Evaluation of science advice during the COVID-19 pandemic in Sweden

A year and a half after Sweden decided not to lock down, its COVID-19 death rate is up to 10 times higher than its neighbors

And as for the 'damage' they do, here's a link of the number of bankruptcies by year in the US. What do you notice? United States Bankruptcies - Trading Economics

You do realise the various governments paid for everything to be shut down so that business didn’t go bankrupt immediately? You dorealise the humongous amounts of debt created and hence the inflation that will impact the economy severely for years to come? There will be far more lives impacted and lost due to government actions and hyperbole than covid could ever have done.

Yes hard times. I wonder why poorer countries who also committed a much larger chunk of their economies to lock-downs and other responses to the disease, are doing sooo much better?

They just don't got that 'Murrican Freeeedumb!

a reply to: nickyw

Out of interest, could you please tell us what the average age of these people are?

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originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: chr0naut

It's called reverse transcription, and yes, it's about covid not the vax.

Reverse transcription has been hypothesised as one reason why some people might keep triggering PCR, long after they've kicked covid to the kurb.

Reverse transcriptase is what drives reverse transcription in retroviruses, but there is no clear mechanism in the case of other viruses.