England and Wales excess deaths terrifying MSM

a reply to: anonentity

Trying to discredit Dr. Campbell and one forfeits their own credibility.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Randyvine2
a reply to: chr0naut

1. Does not believe that the disease is 'that bad'.
2. Believes that people are dying from every different potential immunization against the disease and are advising everyone to avoid them.
3. Disagrees with taking any other precautions of any kind (like masks or lock-downs or self-isolation)

I'm sure we'd widely disagree on any estimate.

Bottom line is you think it's safe and I don't. That's it.

Actually, there is reasonable national data, from nearly every country on the planet, showing that all the vaccines approved or partially approved so far are fairly safe.

To believe they are not, requires belief in a fairly massive and implausible conspiracy that involves nearly everyone in the entire world who has some sort of credibility, or authority, or manufactures COVID-19 vaccines, or is a medical doctor, or is in an association of medical doctors, or an academic in the biological, genetic, or health sciences, and yet it is all somehow a 'secret'. Wut the.. ??

I've tried to explain this more times than I can count, but the standard answer that I get back is either that they think I'm being paid by somebody to post against them, or something that demonstrate that they really don't understand the data or how it is gathered.

So, yes, in order to fake these numbers you would not only need to corrupt or threaten potentially millions of people in every country in the world that vaxes or returns data. You'd need to alter the data at the source, and that means local coroners, and local services, because they provide data directly, and if the data were altered higher up somebody would realize that the numbers didn't add up.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

So, yes, in order to fake these numbers you would not only need to corrupt or threaten potentially millions of people in every country in the world that vaxes or returns data.

You do realize you're the best argument against this argument.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

How on Earth can you say that when Phizer wanted to hide the data from the public for seventy-five years? They hid and buried data in their own trials. simply because they could spin the problems with money and leverage, so the bottom line would give them a really good payday. It's a business model that works. As for the front men, they are like everyone else "Only as good as their word" Which has put them on the level of snake oil salesman, going from one shot to permanent shots. The many times boosted are the ones with the highest mortality figures. But hey it really is the Darwin award.No sucker ever got an even break.
Pushing bad health products on a naive public is not new, everyone should know by now fast popular food is a bad health outcome. but it's a business model that works that's why it's a gift to pharmaceutical companies. If they cleaned up their act it would cost them billions.Most people will do what is suggested by experts even if the science is screaming "Don't do it" Most of the experts are socially screened so they don't turn people off, some can see it as a racket. and some won't.

a reply to: chr0naut
Comedy always helps

originally posted by: Randyvine2
a reply to: anonentity

Trying to discredit Dr. Campbell and one forfeits their own credibility.

Why?

What about the actual official data that these guys purport to be the basis of their assertions?

originally posted by: Randyvine2
a reply to: AaarghZombies

So, yes, in order to fake these numbers you would not only need to corrupt or threaten potentially millions of people in every country in the world that vaxes or returns data.

You do realize you're the best argument against this argument.

You're seriously suggesting that I'm personally altering data at a national level?

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Randyvine2
a reply to: anonentity

Trying to discredit Dr. Campbell and one forfeits their own credibility.

Why?

What about the actual official data that these guys purport to be the basis of their assertions?

Usually it's cherrypicked or misrepresented.

For example: someone might say that X thousand people died within 2 months of getting the vax, and then show official data that apparently confirms this.

BUT, they just give you raw numbers without demographic information.

When you include the demographic information you see that the majority of the people who died were aged over 85, and that they had at least one comorbidity, and that they were boosted 2-3 times a year. Meaning that the data which appeared to show that the vax was killing people actually just showed the perfectly ordinary deaths of elderly people who by coincidence happened to have recently had a booster, because they had a booster every few months.

A favorite is to show a graph that apparently shows higher covid mortality rates among the vaxed than the unvaxxed, but the person presenting the data forgets to tell you that the unvaxxed are mostly children and young adults who have an almost zero percent chance of dying of covid anyway.

So again, the data that they are showing you is really just a graph showing elderly people dying.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Your link is july 2021 we have moved on. Your next link was from corporate headquarters. I didn't bother with the rest.

a reply to: anonentity

How on Earth can you say that when Phizer wanted to hide the data from the public for seventy-five years?

They don't, they simply have protection against people spamming them with data requests. The 75 years isn't how long they have to release all of the data, it's how long it would take them to release it in batched of 50,000 documents a month. On account of there being millions of pages of documents.

They hid and buried data in their own trials

Link, please.

It's a business model that works.

For them, maybe, but not for governments, so why would governments go along with it. Especially socialist governments like those in Europe, or like China, Russia, and the African governments who make zero money from this.

Why would Trump go along with this?

As for the front men, they are like everyone else "Only as good as their word"

And 99.999 percent of them are just regular people. Coroners, pharmacists, grad students. People who have nothing to gain, but everything to lose if they are found tampering with the data.

Plus, there are just so many people with access to the data. Even if 99.999 percent of them were corrupt, that would still leave hundreds of thousands of people who weren't all around the world.

Pushing bad health products on a naive public is not new

And in previous cases, such as the opioid crisis, people all over the industry were blowing the whistle years ago. Nothing was really secret from the very beginning.

it's a gift to pharmaceutical companies.

Maybe in the US, but in much of the rest of the world they're prices are capped, and they have to go through narrow business channels. You're argument might be plausible in the US, but somewhere like France or Germany it's absolutely not. What they gain in selling the vax at a tightly controlled price they lose by not being able to sell other products like cosmetics because people went out less.

Most people will do what is suggested by experts even if the science is screaming "Don't do it

For example?

Most of the experts are socially screened so they don't turn people off

Like Faucci?

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: AaarghZombies

Your link is july 2021 we have moved on. Your next link was from corporate headquarters. I didn't bother with the rest.

Because this was when the mass vaxxing began in Europe. It shows a before and after. So you can see the effect.

You just have to follow the links on that page to get older or newer data.

But of course you already knew that.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

streamable.com...

Germany calling, Germany calling.
May I speak to Aaarghzombies please

originally posted by: Iconic
are there literally ANY other sources other than bitchute?

There rarely ever is.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Iconic

Yeh plenty it was in the Telegraph,

Bzzzt.

Wrong!

They are the MSM, and you know how you prattle on about them lying all the time.

Doh!

Can't trust them and what they say, either. They are the very ones that run the 'Plandemic'®, don't ya know!

What, it sounds like you are even beginning to doubt the voices in your head, too, that is a whole new level of kook overdrive!

Chr0naut brings up a good point. when government agencies from the FBI to the CDC are so politicized they give out false information according to their masters' wishes
how can we trust ANYTHING from the government?

a reply to: chr0naut

1. Does not believe that the disease is 'that bad'. 2. Believes that people are dying from every different potential immunization against the disease and are advising everyone to avoid them. 3. Disagrees with taking any other precautions of any kind (like masks or lock-downs or self-isolation). I, personally, blame them for the situations they both are causing and extending.

1. For the vast majority it isn’t.

2. Potential immunisation, yes potential being the operative word as it doesn’t provide immunity. So it’s reasonable to question what it’s actually doing.

3. Non of these measures worked and in fact did more long term harm than good.

So people questioning the narrative pushed by the globalists who own the MSM and pharma are the ones causing and extending the situation somehow? Just wow.
No doubt you would rather see on going lockdowns and consequently economy’s tanked with people masked up and self isolating for the rest of their lives?
I blame the suckers like you personally.

a reply to: Canyenero427

Hold on a minute, I'll put together a video that juxtaposes the three most credible news sources in the world against ... Alex Jones on speed.

originally posted by: ElGoobero

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Iconic

Yeh plenty it was in the Telegraph,

Bzzzt.

Wrong!

They are the MSM, and you know how you prattle on about them lying all the time.

Doh!

Can't trust them and what they say, either. They are the very ones that run the 'Plandemic'®, don't ya know!

What, it sounds like you are even beginning to doubt the voices in your head, too, that is a whole new level of kook overdrive!

Chr0naut brings up a good point. when government agencies from the FBI to the CDC are so politicized they give out false information according to their masters' wishes
how can we trust ANYTHING from the government?

The headlines might be politicized, but when you dig into the actual data that it's drawn from you'll find that there are hundreds of thousands of records drawn from tens of thousands of local branches and field offices. These are often either published independently or are provided directly to academics and people through FOIA.

When you take these smaller sources, you'll find that the data in them matches the data in the compiled national sourced. Which means one of two things, either tens of thousands of local offices are individually compromised, or that he national data is accurate.

Look at the data, don't look at the headlines.

Or you can look at the international data, it mostly agrees with the US data, so either the entire world is compromised in the exact same way or the data is pretty accurate.

originally posted by: surfer_soul
a reply to: chr0naut

1. Does not believe that the disease is 'that bad'. 2. Believes that people are dying from every different potential immunization against the disease and are advising everyone to avoid them. 3. Disagrees with taking any other precautions of any kind (like masks or lock-downs or self-isolation). I, personally, blame them for the situations they both are causing and extending.

1. For the vast majority it isn’t.

2. Potential immunisation, yes potential being the operative word as it doesn’t provide immunity. So it’s reasonable to question what it’s actually doing.

3. Non of these measures worked and in fact did more long term harm than good.

So people questioning the narrative pushed by the globalists who own the MSM and pharma are the ones causing and extending the situation somehow? Just wow.
No doubt you would rather see on going lockdowns and consequently economy’s tanked with people masked up and self isolating for the rest of their lives?
I blame the suckers like you personally.

1) The mortality rate for covid is about 1.3 percent. America has a population of over 300,000,000. Presuming that only 20 percent of Americans will get covid, that's 60,000,000 people. Now presume that 1.3 percent of them die form it. That's 780,000 people.

That's the equivalent of dropping quite a large nuke in Central Park.

2) Covid is a respiratory infection. The vax provide approximately 86 percent immunity. This doesn't mean that 86 percent of people who take it won't get sick. It means that the symptoms will be reduced, either so that you are asymptomatic, or so that you have milder symptoms that last a shorter period of time. Because you are sick for less time you're also infectious for less time, so it reduces community transmission.

3) The links in my signature show that in the UK the vax dramatically reduced death and serious sickness. Even once lockdown ended. The UK is a much better study than the US because it has a much more consistent climate. So you don't get disparities like you do between the northern and the southern states.

It's actually in the interest of big pharma to end covid because big pharma produce things like sunscreen and cosmetics, which are being hammered by lockdown.

a reply to: anonentity

except it is happening and that is from the ONS and even conservative outlets like the speccy and torygraph, both of which took radically different stances on lockdowns with the speccy being the more anti lockdown to the torygraph, the speccy was the one to share the models where concocted for specific predetermined policy outcomes rather than shape policy decisions

Rumour has been swirling in Westminster for weeks that this is the real cause of the coup against Johnson it'll just be time before the labour the guardian or libdems see it as an election wining path.. my bet is the libdems first as they gone all nimby to win tory votes promises to block everything..

a reply to: AaarghZombies

No the mortality rate was 0.4% it’s probably even less than that now things have gone back to “normal” 1.3% was among the elderly and otherwise vulnerable.

I stopped reading after your “large nuke going off in Central Park analogy. Your not talking to a child.