England and Wales excess deaths terrifying MSM

a reply to: anonentity

I'm curious how that worked over seas, we're people forced to take these shots by their government?

originally posted by: Randyvine2
a reply to: chr0naut

I hope to God you've encouraged no one.

For your sake.

I don't think I'll encourage anyone. On this website even I am often a lone voice.

Nor do I have an abnormally sized brain. I just don't.

But, just ask yourself, how many people have died to date because they were infected by someone who:

1. Does not believe that the disease is 'that bad'.
2. Believes that people are dying from every different potential immunization against the disease and are advising everyone to avoid them.
3. Disagrees with taking any other precautions of any kind (like masks or lock-downs or self-isolation).

I, personally, blame them for the situations they both are causing and extending.

a reply to: chr0naut

1. Does not believe that the disease is 'that bad'.
2. Believes that people are dying from every different potential immunization against the disease and are advising everyone to avoid them.
3. Disagrees with taking any other precautions of any kind (like masks or lock-downs or self-isolation)

I'm sure we'd widely disagree on any estimate.

Bottom line is you think it's safe and I don't. That's it.

You have many reports world wide, many sources like the insurance companies US.

originally posted by: Randyvine2
a reply to: chr0naut

1. Does not believe that the disease is 'that bad'.
2. Believes that people are dying from every different potential immunization against the disease and are advising everyone to avoid them.
3. Disagrees with taking any other precautions of any kind (like masks or lock-downs or self-isolation)

I'm sure we'd widely disagree on any estimate.

Bottom line is you think it's safe and I don't. That's it.

Actually, there is reasonable national data, from nearly every country on the planet, showing that all the vaccines approved or partially approved so far are fairly safe.

To believe they are not, requires belief in a fairly massive and implausible conspiracy that involves nearly everyone in the entire world who has some sort of credibility, or authority, or manufactures COVID-19 vaccines, or is a medical doctor, or is in an association of medical doctors, or an academic in the biological, genetic, or health sciences, and yet it is all somehow a 'secret'. Wut the.. ??

And it is all apparently to make massive profit that, well, hasn't quite happened somehow. Or to reset the worlds economy (which would invalidate any massive profits, by the way) which also seems to be taking a long time to actually show itself.

But there are kooks - you can always trust that there are kooks! They come free with every internet connection, ya know!

originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Iconic

Yeh plenty it was in the Telegraph, they are official figures. I dare not offer up anything else anyway. It ain't happening because it was on Bitchute won't cut it mate.

If you believe in Jesus nothing will dissuade you that it is mythology either, mate.

I was going to snap at you, and make a snide remark, but Ive changed my mind. Instead, Id like to ask you a favor.

Have you ever served as a juror? I have, 5-6 times. One trial lasted over 2 months. An older guy had chased a young guy into his home, and stood over him, shooting him in the head multiple times. We were deadlocked in deliberation because a progressive juror was worried the old guy would get a lot of time. I finally persuaded her to unhung the jury and go with the facts as presented. The young guy lived, although he was confined to a wheelchair, with a protective helmet on his head for life. He cried and held onto my hands thanking me as I walked out of the courtroom. I will never forget that look on his face. He knew I cared, and I do.

Id like you to stand as a juror now, as the facts are presented. My court case took months. This one is interesting and will only take less then 40 minutes of your time. Your time is precious, but this is well worth it. Watch as a juror, then deliberate. Thanks

a reply to: anonentity

And now I will deal with the nonsense title of this topic thread.

If there was a Plandemic to make money out of a disease by producing vaccines that kill rather than cure, and the MSM are in on it, why would they be terrified when, and if, that exact thing happened?

Alongside that, there are no excess deaths to speak of in the official figures, especially in the time frame of the release of the various vaccines to the general public. There are some prior to, though.

So, the title is a lie using baseless emotional language. Suggesting the MSM could give a damn, and that they are for some reason terrified of a result that would only have been anticipated if the whole Plandemic nonsense were real.

a reply to: chr0naut

and yet it is all somehow a 'secret'.

Well you're definitely wrong about that amigo. It's never been a
secret. They've all but officially announced it with ticker tape on
a red carpet.

And for you to say that all the resistance is just how you choose
to see it. And deny all the censorship involved. I don't see you
coming out on top of this and I didn't create the suspicion. When
everything could be settled by open debates that never happened.
I need a little more than Okay here's a miracle vaccine hurry up 7
billion people make us rich.

You want me to trust some squirrel that I don't know from Adam to
put a needle in me. And inject some concoction I don't know the
first GD thing about. That came up in a political environment
such as the likes this country has never seen before?

You know what the first thing I see that went global in this global reset?
Death.

a reply to: chr0naut

The fact that there are excess deaths above the five-year pre-covid levels, which are non covid related. Is not in doubt as per the insurance claims. The question is why. and how many. A proportion may be nontreatment which was delayed due to the lockdowns. The fact is that in most places the lockdowns have stopped, and most people have had a dose of the cure. Which means that things should be getting back to normal right? wrong ...disruptions are increasing, we have gone from a high unemployment rate pre-pandemic, to supposedly places closing down because they can't get staff. We have hospitals and ambulance services running at overly high capacity. With increasing, waiting times, and doctors and specialists visits with longer waiting times to see their patients. Heart problems and cancers have exploded. This has been proved ad nauseum.
When these things have to be addressed by the MSM the obvious cause is skirted around, simply because they have to follow the government line and those of their paymasters. but the reality is society is not operating as efficiently as before the pandemic the cause is sickness.

While I don't believe all you said to be true, some was, as with personal anecdotal evidence in my little world,
two of my friends have had severe reactions to the vax.
Call it coincidence or what have you
I do not believe that was their intent.
The intent, I believe was much more nefarious than that.
Bordering on pure evil.
Control, control of our basic rights and freedoms.
Control of movement in a population.
Control of our rights to choose body autonomy.
The few that kicked it were collateral damage.

a reply to: chr0naut

originally posted by: anonentity
These figures are concerning as the chart isn't going down, they have to pay attention now but they are blaming it on everything but the tea. The health department has ordered an investigation into the figures. These patterns are repeating around the world.It seems excess deaths are 1500 to 2000 a week Rushing updated versions will not do anything. www.bitchute.com... Again if these are the excess death figures what would the injured figures be? Perhaps that really is the reason Heathrow and other airports are operating on the smell of an oily rag.

I saw a report that the lockdowns around the world could cause up to 20 year reduction in many people lifespans. It also suggest we really will not know for a decade or more as to the harm that has caused both mentally and physically as to people dying from that extremely poor decision.

The things they mentioned in the article I read concerning the health and immunity loss from lowered immune system chemicals from the lockdowns does partially explain some of the deaths as does the fact that the people put off medical treatments and avoided going to medical appointments because they feared the propaganda spread about this disease.

But there are also extra deaths from adverse reactions to the vaccination too, I would bet that accounts for a minimum of twenty five percent or more of the extra deaths since they started to increase after vaccinations were given.

This was the poorest handling of a pandemic I ever read about, it made the nineteen eighteen handling of that flu look like it was great...world wide too, not just in the USA.

Good thing the majority of people had natural immunity to this disease through it's similarities to the coronavirus and adenovirus cold. But look at how bad governments screwed this thing up. They wanted us to believe they were super concerned about our health in their response and really messed it up all over the world.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: chr0naut

The fact that there are excess deaths above the five-year pre-covid levels, which are non covid related.

There were excess deaths. The data is clear. They occurred prior to the vaccines, when the pandemic was at one of its peaks.

The deaths may be non-COVID-19 related, but they may also be COVID-19 related, It depends upon what was recorded as the primary COD on the death certificate. Usually a COVID-19 death is due to a cascade of organ failures.

And hospitals were cancelling surgeries and other work due to the COVID-19 pandemic. I am very aware of that, having had surgery last year that was deferred several times due to "COVID-19".

Is not in doubt as per the insurance claims. The question is why. and how many. A proportion may be nontreatment which was delayed due to the lockdowns. The fact is that in most places the lockdowns have stopped, and most people have had a dose of the cure. Which means that things should be getting back to normal right? wrong ...disruptions are increasing, we have gone from a high unemployment rate pre-pandemic, to supposedly places closing down because they can't get staff. We have hospitals and ambulance services running at overly high capacity. With increasing, waiting times, and doctors and specialists visits with longer waiting times to see their patients. Heart problems and cancers have exploded. This has been proved ad nauseum.

All of that was a comparison of the situation pre-pandemic, with that during the pandemic. The pandemic wasn't in line with the vaccinations, but began substantially before the vaccinations did. This is reflected in the statistics which show an increase in excess deaths prior to the vaccines and then a reduction in excess deaths after the vaccines were being administered.

When these things have to be addressed by the MSM the obvious cause is skirted around, simply because they have to follow the government line and those of their paymasters. but the reality is society is not operating as efficiently as before the pandemic the cause is sickness.

No, the truth is in-your-face obvious.

The pandemic that you said was fictitious, was real and caused excess deaths before the vaccines were available.

The vaccines that you said were fictitious and ineffective, actually lowered the number of excess deaths caused by the pandemic after they became available and had significant uptake by the public.

originally posted by: rickymouse
The things they mentioned in the article I read concerning the health and immunity loss from lowered immune system chemicals from the lockdowns does partially explain some of the deaths as does the fact that the people put off medical treatments and avoided going to medical appointments because they feared the propaganda spread about this disease.

But there are also extra deaths from adverse reactions to the vaccination too, I would bet that accounts for a minimum of twenty five percent or more of the extra deaths since they started to increase after vaccinations were given.

This was the poorest handling of a pandemic I ever read about, it made the nineteen eighteen handling of that flu look like it was great...world wide too, not just in the USA.

Good thing the majority of people had natural immunity to this disease through it's similarities to the coronavirus and adenovirus cold. But look at how bad governments screwed this thing up. They wanted us to believe they were super concerned about our health in their response and really messed it up all over the world.

Nonsense.

There were anti-mask protests back in 1918, when it was killing people in the tens of millions.

Anti-mask protests 1918 - Internet search images.

Look at what country they are all from, despite the 1918 pandemic being worldwide, and the disease coming from that country, and, as per standard modus operandi, they (lyingly) blamed another country.

a reply to: chr0naut

If your vanilla interpretations give you comfort so be it. I wish they were true.

originally posted by: Randyvine2
a reply to: chr0naut

and yet it is all somehow a 'secret'.

Well you're definitely wrong about that amigo. It's never been a
secret. They've all but officially announced it with ticker tape on
a red carpet.

And for you to say that all the resistance is just how you choose
to see it. And deny all the censorship involved. I don't see you
coming out on top of this and I didn't create the suspicion. When
everything could be settled by open debates that never happened.
I need a little more than Okay here's a miracle vaccine hurry up 7
billion people make us rich.

You want me to trust some squirrel that I don't know from Adam to
put a needle in me. And inject some concoction I don't know the
first GD thing about. That came up in a political environment
such as the likes this country has never seen before?

You know what the first thing I see that went global in this global reset?
Death.

Where was the reset? We've had worse years, economically, for far less of a reason at all.

a reply to: anonentity
Your source is not MSM. Do you have any genuine MSM quotations?
I hope you're not going to say "It's in the video". I don't watch videos. Got anything to read?

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: chr0naut

If your vanilla interpretations give you comfort so be it. I wish they were true.

It's nothing to do with my interpretation. The raw data is plain, and I didn't generate it. The excess deaths peaked prior to vaccines and reduced afterwards.

The actuarial tables of insurance companies were based upon statistical data of what was happening during the pandemic, before the vaccines were rolled out. They (insurance companies) can't predict the future and because their business is dependent on good statistical data, they used the best of what was available to set their actuarial tables for the next year. So they included 'actuals' from prior to the vaccine roll-outs. They are based on worst case scenarios and the disease at its peak was a 'worst case'.

What is there to 'interpret'?

deaths are down hospitals are up.
Thats all l know.

a reply to: chr0naut

How about Dr Campbell he was a pusher of the vax in the early days. He is usually considered to be meticulous. Back when he did this it was a lower figure than what is being quoted now. www.bitchute.com...