China: Ancient Pyramids + Explosions: "Underground Forests in Mystery Holes of Guangxi"

originally posted by: ArMaP

originally posted by: JamesChessman
It probably killed most life, in general, including cold exposure, starvation from lack of food, plus a bombardment of natural disasters caused by the sudden disruptions of climate, & disruptions of warm/cold air currents: hurricanes, floods, etc.

There aren't any signs of that "bombardment of natural disasters", only signs of a drop in temperature.

I quoted earlier the estimate that climates changed WITHIN A DECADE, which is rather immediately turning much colder, and I also quoted that the established wind flow patterns of warm & cold air, were likewise disrupted and changed. It obviously implies natural disasters caused by that: hurricanes, flooding, etc.

Also quoted that the name "younger dryas" refers to cold-climate plants suddenly spreading through Europe, where it had previously been more moderate climate.

Also quoted that we are literally talking about the on-set of the Last Ice Age, which was itself catastrophic death against most life at the time, presumably.

Not to mention the various found evidence of VERY sudden freezing conditions, for example, there are famous wooly mammoths found apparently frozen while chewing their food, then bang! Frozen. Implying extremely sudden bombardment of freezing air masses, during the on-set of the Last Ice Age, caused by the Younger Dryas Impact Events...



And not to mention the actual Impact sites' sudden destruction and fiery explosions too, which was after all, the cause of the melted-sand glass fields in Libya, and also, Syria (though the cause of both sites is attributed differently, they are both sites of melted sand from fiery explosions). Plus the sudden impact destruction of other sites like in S. Africa and around the world, each site of impact is automatically a site of sudden destruction.

a reply to: GoShredAK

I have been expecting someone introducing this case in the thread.

As for the video, I hate liars, and saying "one has a perfectly square face" is an obvious lie, we just have to look at the image they show in the video to see that they used one corner as the start of the square and the other three corners do not make a perfect square, far from it.



Also, we can see the edges are far from perfect, as they would be if they were from a man-made pyramid.

I also find it interesting that they talk about the findings from the sea-floor drilling that showed plant remains but do not say from what time those plants were.

This report, that I suppose is from that expedition, says the "pollen, spores, and plant fragments" were from the oldest segment, from the Cretaceous-early Paleocene period, which means a minimum of around 56 million years ago, way before any human signs.
At that time it is thought that what is now Antarctica was still attached to Australia and South America, and more than 40 million years before the appearance of the first apes, so a long way before humans appeared.

originally posted by: JamesChessman
I quoted earlier the estimate that climates changed WITHIN A DECADE, which is rather immediately turning much colder, and I also quoted that the established wind flow patterns of warm & cold air, were likewise disrupted and changed.

I don't remember you providing any quotes and their source, only your opinions.

It obviously implies natural disasters caused by that: hurricanes, flooding, etc.

It does not, those atmospheric events are caused by hot air, not cold.

Not to mention the various found evidence of VERY sudden freezing conditions, for example, there are famous wooly mammoths found apparently frozen while chewing their food, then bang! Frozen.

What are the dates for those?

Implying extremely sudden bombardment of freezing air masses, during the on-set of the Last Ice Age, caused by the Younger Dryas Impact Events...

Dates, please.

And not to mention the actual Impact sites' sudden destruction and fiery explosions too, which was after all, the cause of the melted-sand glass fields in Libya, and also, Syria (though the cause of both sites is attributed differently, they are both sites of melted sand from fiery explosions). Plus the sudden impact destruction of other sites like in S. Africa and around the world, each site of impact is automatically a site of sudden destruction.

You keep on adding events and ignoring dates, so all of that means very little.

It's like saying you just took your great-great-grandfather to his kindergarten.

a reply to: JamesChessman

Great video. Do you know if these are the caves where supposed buried UFOs were discovered? There was a mini documentary about this but I cannot locate it now.

a reply to: ArMaP

originally posted by: JamesChessman
I quoted earlier the estimate that climates changed WITHIN A DECADE, which is rather immediately turning much colder, and I also quoted that the established wind flow patterns of warm & cold air, were likewise disrupted and changed.

I don't remember you providing any quotes and their source, only your opinions.

I did quote exactly that, earlier in the thread. The quote describes the YD Impact triggering The Last Ice Age WITHIN A DECADE.

It does not, those atmospheric events are caused by hot air, not cold.

Natural disasters, like hurricanes etc., are caused by clashes between different temperature air masses.

The Younger Dryas Impact Event, suddenly disrupting air flow patterns and temperatures, in different places -- mostly bringing new coldness to most places -- does imply natural disasters, as per the new masses of cold air, hitting against warmer air masses, in new places, and in new air flow patterns.

That does imply hurricanes, and flooding (presumably from new paths of warmer air currents, causing ice melting in some areas), while most places were suddenly freezing, etc.




PLUS the YD Impact triggered The Last Ice Age, so I'd have expected an Ice Age to count as natural disaster...



Plus the actual impact sites individually are explosions of death, and presumably releasing billowing dust clouds around the planet too. I think this counts as natural disaster too.

a reply to: ArMaP

Not to mention the various found evidence of VERY sudden freezing conditions, for example, there are famous wooly mammoths found apparently frozen while chewing their food, then bang! Frozen.

What are the dates for those?

I thought it was common knowledge, there are flash-frozen wooly mammoths from The Last Ice Age, who seemed to have been frozen while standing and eating plants.

Generally the dates are the same as the Younger Dryas Impact Event, which began The Last Ice Age, the general dates are somewhere around 11,000yrs ago, to 13,000yrs ago.

originally posted by: Type1338
a reply to: JamesChessman

Great video. Do you know if these are the caves where supposed buried UFOs were discovered? There was a mini documentary about this but I cannot locate it now.

Thanks, I actually don't know about that topic though.

From the little that I've looked into it, I thought the UFO's were supposed to be buried in the Middle East, but I was mostly inclined to think that such stories were based on... stories from the Book of Enoch...

originally posted by: JamesChessman

PLUS the YD Impact triggered The Last Ice Age, so I'd have expected an Ice Age to count as natural disaster...

The Last Ice Age began around 120,000 years ago.

The YD occurred as the last ice age was coming to an end and global temperatures were back on the rise. It was, however, just one of many cold spells that occurred throughout the ice age - albeit the most extreme since the Mount Toba eruption. And, as many higher latitude glaciers and ice sheets had not then melted, it took little to see them briefly re-advance.

It was not especially catastrophic though - and certainly not comparable with the spread of upright apes with pointy sticks that occurred around the same time*.

For life in temperature latitudes - including most humans at the time - it really wouldn't have been particularly noticeable.

I think you're reading too much into the consequences of a rapid climate shift in regions inhabited only by a few small tribes of mammoth hunters.


* the warm and wetter conditions that followed the YD were also a significant factor in the extinction of some Arctic fauna, such as the woolly mammoths

a reply to: AndyMayhew

originally posted by: JamesChessman

PLUS the YD Impact triggered The Last Ice Age, so I'd have expected an Ice Age to count as natural disaster...

The Last Ice Age began around 120,000 years ago.

^Alright well I'm only referring to the information that I quoted earlier in the thread.

So it seems that the thread needs me... to recap the original information that I quoted & embedded in the first couple pages of the thread.

Alright, I will...

originally posted by: JamesChessman
I did quote exactly that, earlier in the thread. The quote describes the YD Impact triggering The Last Ice Age WITHIN A DECADE.

You're right, you did quote that from Wikipedia, if I'm not mistaken.

Although I quoted that part I was thinking about what followed it, specially this:
Also quoted that we are literally talking about the on-set of the Last Ice Age, which was itself catastrophic death against most life at the time, presumably.
I don't remember any quote about the Younger Dryas being the on-set of the last Ice Age (which it wasn't, the Younger Dryas marked the end of the last Ice Age) or any quote about presumed catastrophic death against most life at the time.

Natural disasters, like hurricanes etc., are caused by clashes between different temperature air masses.

Hurricanes are created by warm water heating the air, which in return creates a low pressure column that in turn creates an upward current, like in a chimney.

The same happens with tornadoes and thunder storms, hot air it's always needed to create an upward draft.

That doesn't mean it's not possible for those atmospheric events to happen in cold weather, but they are rare (no tornado has ever been recorded in Antarctica, for example).

TThat does imply hurricanes, and flooding (presumably from new paths of warmer air currents, causing ice melting in some areas), while most places were suddenly freezing, etc.

It does not, a colder atmosphere is a less active atmosphere.

PLUS the YD Impact triggered The Last Ice Age, so I'd have expected an Ice Age to count as natural disaster...

Wrong, the last Ice Age started some 100,000 years before the Younger Dryas, you have your dates all wrong.

Plus the actual impact sites individually are explosions of death, and presumably releasing billowing dust clouds around the planet too. I think this counts as natural disaster too.

That depends on the size of object that made the impact. A medium sized asteroid or comet would really be very destructive, but only locally, and, as I said before, there aren't any signs of a world-wide layer of dust to show that those hypothetic dust ever existed outside your imagination.

PS: Scooby Doo is not a scientific source, the meddling kids cannot help you this.

originally posted by: JamesChessman
I thought it was common knowledge, there are flash-frozen wooly mammoths from The Last Ice Age, who seemed to have been frozen while standing and eating plants.

"Common knowledge", sometimes, is based on lies.
Do you have a verifiable source for that?

Generally the dates are the same as the Younger Dryas Impact Event, which began The Last Ice Age, the general dates are somewhere around 11,000yrs ago, to 13,000yrs ago.

Regarding this, I found this page.
Interesting reading.

originally posted by: JamesChessman
So it seems that the thread needs me... to recap the original information that I quoted & embedded in the first couple pages of the thread.

What the thread mostly needs is facts.

originally posted by: JamesChessman

originally posted by: Type1338
a reply to: JamesChessman

Great video. Do you know if these are the caves where supposed buried UFOs were discovered? There was a mini documentary about this but I cannot locate it now.

Thanks, I actually don't know about that topic though.

From the little that I've looked into it, I thought the UFO's were supposed to be buried in the Middle East, but I was mostly inclined to think that such stories were based on... stories from the Book of Enoch...

The History Channel did an episode on the UFOs found in a cave system in China. I cannot locate the episode, however, there is a brief 2 sentence reference to it on the History Channel website.

originally posted by: JamesChessman
a reply to: ArMaP

Not to mention the various found evidence of VERY sudden freezing conditions, for example, there are famous wooly mammoths found apparently frozen while chewing their food, then bang! Frozen.

What are the dates for those?

I thought it was common knowledge, there are flash-frozen wooly mammoths from The Last Ice Age, who seemed to have been frozen while standing and eating plants.

No there aren't. Not one.

And many of the best preserved mammoths date to around 40,000 years ago. None date to the time if the YD

I'm no longer able to find the article I wrote on the subject back in the mid 2000s, but this recent piece is even better at dispelling the myths:

wattsupwiththat.com...

a reply to: ArMaP

You're right, you did quote that from Wikipedia, if I'm not mistaken.

Although I quoted that part I was thinking about what followed it, specially this:
Also quoted that we are literally talking about the on-set of the Last Ice Age, which was itself catastrophic death against most life at the time, presumably.
I don't remember any quote about the Younger Dryas being the on-set of the last Ice Age (which it wasn't, the Younger Dryas marked the end of the last Ice Age) or any quote about presumed catastrophic death against most life at the time.

Alright well later, I'll check back to the information that I posted in the first couple pages of the thread. And I'll re-quote it again.

If I recall correctly, the YD Impact apparently started the sudden on-set of the last segment of The Last Ice Age. So that's what I've been referring to.

originally posted by: AndyMayhew

originally posted by: JamesChessman
a reply to: ArMaP

Not to mention the various found evidence of VERY sudden freezing conditions, for example, there are famous wooly mammoths found apparently frozen while chewing their food, then bang! Frozen.

What are the dates for those?

I thought it was common knowledge, there are flash-frozen wooly mammoths from The Last Ice Age, who seemed to have been frozen while standing and eating plants.

No there aren't. Not one.

And many of the best preserved mammoths date to around 40,000 years ago. None date to the time if the YD

I'm no longer able to find the article I wrote on the subject back in the mid 2000s, but this recent piece is even better at dispelling the myths:

wattsupwiththat.com...

There's no examples of flash-frozen wooly mammoths?!

I thought I read an article about that, a couple years ago.

Also I'm pretty sure the mammoths were still around during the YD Impact and subsequent last ice age.




Here, I just looked it up, and yes, they were still around, apparently still slowly going extinct.

Most woolly mammoth populations disappeared during the late Pleistocene and mid-Holocene,[99] alongside most of the Pleistocene megafauna (including the Columbian mammoth). This extinction formed part of the Quaternary extinction event, which began 40,000 years ago and peaked between 14,000 and 11,500 years ago.

Different woolly mammoth populations did not die out simultaneously across their range, but gradually became extinct over time. Most populations disappeared between 14,000 and 10,000 years ago.

en.wikipedia.org...#:~:text=Most%20woolly%20mammoth%20populations%20disappeared,14%2C000%20and%2011%2C500%20years%20ago.

originally posted by: JamesChessman

originally posted by: AndyMayhew

originally posted by: JamesChessman
a reply to: ArMaP

Not to mention the various found evidence of VERY sudden freezing conditions, for example, there are famous wooly mammoths found apparently frozen while chewing their food, then bang! Frozen.

What are the dates for those?

I thought it was common knowledge, there are flash-frozen wooly mammoths from The Last Ice Age, who seemed to have been frozen while standing and eating plants.

No there aren't. Not one.

And many of the best preserved mammoths date to around 40,000 years ago. None date to the time if the YD

I'm no longer able to find the article I wrote on the subject back in the mid 2000s, but this recent piece is even better at dispelling the myths:

wattsupwiththat.com...

There's no examples of flash-frozen wooly mammoths?!

I thought I read an article about that, a couple years ago.

Also I'm pretty sure the mammoths were still around during the YD Impact and subsequent last ice age.




Here, I just looked it up, and yes, they were still around, apparently still slowly going extinct.

Most woolly mammoth populations disappeared during the late Pleistocene and mid-Holocene,[99] alongside most of the Pleistocene megafauna (including the Columbian mammoth). This extinction formed part of the Quaternary extinction event, which began 40,000 years ago and peaked between 14,000 and 11,500 years ago.

Different woolly mammoth populations did not die out simultaneously across their range, but gradually became extinct over time. Most populations disappeared between 14,000 and 10,000 years ago.

en.wikipedia.org...#:~:text=Most%20woolly%20mammoth%20populations%20disappeared,14%2C000%20and%2011%2C500%20years%20ago.

Yes, they were still around until about 5,000 years ago - albeit in dwarf form (on Wrangel Island)

But the best preserved specimens do not date to the YD. And there are certainly no "flash frozen" ones from then.

Did you read the article I linked?

originally posted by: Type1338

originally posted by: JamesChessman

originally posted by: Type1338
a reply to: JamesChessman

Great video. Do you know if these are the caves where supposed buried UFOs were discovered? There was a mini documentary about this but I cannot locate it now.

Thanks, I actually don't know about that topic though.

From the little that I've looked into it, I thought the UFO's were supposed to be buried in the Middle East, but I was mostly inclined to think that such stories were based on... stories from the Book of Enoch...

The History Channel did an episode on the UFOs found in a cave system in China. I cannot locate the episode, however, there is a brief 2 sentence reference to it on the History Channel website.

^Ok well not UFO's but I HAVE heard about ancient, carved CAVE SYSTEMS in China.

I have basically not really mentioned it, as I was considering it a stand-alone topic, which I'd focus more time on, someday.



I'd have to look up the name and pics, but I looked into that, a few yrs ago, and it's just a fact that there was recently discovered the described ancient CARVED cave systems. Discovered in the last 20-30 years if I recall correctly.

At some point I was pouring over photos and the absolutely obvious CARVED rooms and decorations was amazing.


I also remember hearing that the government was keeping such areas private, which makes sense, but which also could possibly allow the government years, alone, to... EDIT the findings, maybe.

Because there's a lot of carved decorations and figures. And the government could maybe choose to remove certain carvings, if they don't like them...

Or maybe even introduce their own carvings, to the ancient carvings.

It's a really wild topic, all by itself.

I think there was Buddhist carvings in the ancient caves, which could be raising questions, possibly. Buddhism is only from 2,600 years ago. The caves might be much older than that. So are the Buddhist carvings just more recent, or maybe they could be more ancient than expected? Or maybe added in modern times? The whole topic is a rabbit hole lol.

I remember entire carved rooms / galleries with lines of mechanical looking carvings running diagonally over all the rock. Really wild stuff.

a reply to: JamesChessman

Who said the caves were carved?

And, again, without dates all of that is meaningless.

originally posted by: Spacespider
I think the guy in the documentary described its origin quite good, with the underground river and the rocks about falling down and being carried away combined with the tectonic uplift activity.

There are no traces of intelligent construction or death beams from space in the documentary.

Well I don't think I responded previously, and I'm making my way from the start of the thread, again.

Alright so my main response, is that I didn't call it "mystery holes," it's the 47-minute documentary that calls it "mystery holes." From "Our World."

I also didn't watch & hear every moment of the 47min. doc. because I was mostly focused on the aspect that I found most interesting, which I made the thread about: The mountains' resemblance of buried pyramids, with ancient battle-damage, from the world-ending war, reported in the ancient Hindu texts, and which apparently matches up generally, with the Younger Dryas Impact Event, which triggered the last chapter of The Last Ice Age. Presumably ended Earth's inhabitation by the advanced ancient civilization, that lived here, up to that point.

^Alright so that's the basic premise, and the substance, of the thread.

Re: whether or not the "mystery holes" are really a "mystery" or not, the label comes from that doc. from "Our World," so I expect that the doc. explains why they called them "mystery holes."




I think the entire situation is basically the obvious resemblance of things, hiding in plain sight. It's simply a cluster of forgotten, buried pyramids, which have become buried & overgrown with greenery, so that they're considered mountains. And I highlighted at least two of the most mysterious "mystery holes" which I think are... obviously ancient weapon impact. The exploded pyramid with caves inside the crater, and also, the thumbnail mountain with a gaping hole from a melting / dissolving weapon impact.






So I'm not exactly sure why Our World called them "mystery holes" but it's presumably mentioned at some point in the doc., and regardless, I focused on the 2 most interesting ones.





Also, I've been to the massive sink-holes in Mexico, which are somewhat similar, as MX has these crazy giant vertical shafts of space, as if they were drilled straight downward, or blasted straight downward, into the bedrock. Nowadays, these are beautiful areas for tourism, as the bottom is always full of fresh cold water to swim, and tourists can walk around the perimeter of the giant round sink-hole.

So there are similar themes, the clear resemblance of some kind of artificial carving in the Mexican "sink-holes," it's just the clear resemblance, more than anything else.

So just like the discussed areas in China, I think the obvious evidence is hiding in plain site. I think the Mexican "sink-holes" are obviously artificial holes, they are very symmetrical round shafts, seemingly drilled/carved straight down.





So that's really how everything is. There's obvious evidence of the ancient advanced civilization, and it's often forgotten that it's artificial, because it's so easy to just assume that such places are only natural.



But yet the Hindu texts -- I think they're called "Vedas" as the general term for ancient Hindu texts -- so the Vedas report the ancient advanced civilization inhabiting Earth and getting destroyed in ancient war.

And that alone should be enough to look for evidence of that in Earth's landscape. And to consider that some obvious evidence is just hiding in plain site, assumed to be natural formations, just because that's the easy way to make sense of the world, apparently.

But that's disregarding the ancient historical record of the Vedas. They report ancient advanced civilizations, on Earth, which was destroyed in ancient nuclear war.

So that's one good reason to look for evidence of that.