Child Killed During Christian Ritual

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

There are a number of cults with a Christian sounding name, but who cherry-pick little bits of the Bible and Christian doctrine, add their own stuff, and do not hold to the complete canonical scriptures.

a reply to: chr0naut

Name a single Christian Religion that does not Cherry pick the Bible and ignore the rest.

Well, this is on a denominational scale (as many churches associated with any particular denomination may have a different focus), but Assembly of God, Baptists, and Lutherans all come from the Reformational "sola scriptura" (by the scriptures alone) legacy, which by its nature excludes tradition, or reasoning, or non canonical works, as forces shaping their ideology.

Similarly, there are potential issues relating to interpretation of any one passage of scripture in isolation, which can be resolved only by collating all parts of the Bible mentioning the same subject matter, and which can clarify the actual meaning of any allegedly contradictory passage by looking at what it says in context with all other similar passages.

Only by studying the whole Bible, can the truths it explains be factually, and unambiguously, determined.

Or in short there are Christian Denominations that believe in the Bible as a whole yes , But in turn they all interpret the Bible differently and place more emphasis on certain books , chapters and versus .

aka they cherry pick .

OK, so what part of the Bible do Lutherans cherry-pick?

Lutherans are Followers of Martin Luther and they are an early break away from the Catholic church , the Catholic church themselves considered Lutherans heretics.

a reply to: gkskgm


Sounds more like Santeria

a reply to: chr0naut

It seems that though we often disagree we do agree on the important thing

I believe this is a cult. Nothing remotely close to scripture is reflected in their actions.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

As much as it shows the Democrats are democratic.

Why does child abuse seem to go hand in hand with organized religions?

Atheist or Theist, it does not seem to matter.

I would think it is equally in all kinds of organizations.

Clearly the bible speaks of putting hands on and asking God through his son not abusing anyone!

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: gkskg

Well they certainly appear to be upright citizens...

Those are their church membership-book photos.

It's very easy to prove the literal interpretation of
the Bible is a complete farce.

Have you ever read Proverbs 22:6 Train up a child
in the way he should go and when he is old,
he will not depart from it.

How many Children trained in Religion have died
as drug addicts, murderers, criminals, perverts,
and suicides?

Very few if any ever turn back to any moral
foundation or the teachings of their various
Religious teachings.

Yet, the power of belief has led many to
assume instructing a child religious teachings
will return them to the faith, it rarely
or ever does.

a reply to: gkskg

This is a direct result of literal biblical interpretation and what happens when scriptures are not taught allegorically.

Not everyone is raised Jewish?

There's some morphology that took place between Judaism and Christianity.

Ask a typical Rabbi about good and evil and you get something like, "A human is always placed halfway between the two, and though no one can tell you what to do, God strongly suggests it's beneficial to observe the lessons of the scripture and live a holy life."

Ask a christian. And its sorta the same thing, only with an eternal punishment caveat for evil. Old testament god just sent a bear to kill you during your sin, New Testement keeps the bear and added a definite lake of fire. The biggest difference between the two, and reason why parable morphed into truth to be enforced.

Jews aren't even all in on the afterlife anyway.

Most Hebrew texts only indirectly refer to an afterlife. Like what JPost says.

First off, with the exception of some kabbalistic texts, there is virtually no mention or description whatsoever of heaven in the Tanach (Bible). There are, however, some rather obvious hints. We are told, for example, that Jacob was “gathered to his people” when he died. This infers that he was reunited with his ancestors in another place, echoing the Zohar’s statement that when we die, all our loved ones will come to greet and escort us. We are also told (Malachi 3:23) that Elijah the Prophet will return one day to announce the coming of the Messiah; where, exactly, would he return from if there was no heaven?

Christianity unfortunately made the word of god sustain empires, most were violently seeking the kingdom of heaven after that point. See Crusade, Inquisition period.

I honestly blame ecumenical councils throughout the ages that standardized christianity as their social legal doctrine. Apocrypha? King James was okay with that for the first printing, but then decreed that Ruth, Judith, and Enoch portrayed an inconveiniemt take on the gospel and they were expelled from the standard canon.

And it's sad, because the Book of Judith is freaking amazing. A forerunner to Joan of Arc if there ever was one. Possibly inspired by Yael in The Book of Judges.

Though I still like what Christians did with it a little more than what "The Religion of (head chopping caliphate) Peace" did with it. Where crusade is part of religious adherence.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

There are a number of cults with a Christian sounding name, but who cherry-pick little bits of the Bible and Christian doctrine, add their own stuff, and do not hold to the complete canonical scriptures.

a reply to: chr0naut

Name a single Christian Religion that does not Cherry pick the Bible and ignore the rest.

Well, this is on a denominational scale (as many churches associated with any particular denomination may have a different focus), but Assembly of God, Baptists, and Lutherans all come from the Reformational "sola scriptura" (by the scriptures alone) legacy, which by its nature excludes tradition, or reasoning, or non canonical works, as forces shaping their ideology.

Similarly, there are potential issues relating to interpretation of any one passage of scripture in isolation, which can be resolved only by collating all parts of the Bible mentioning the same subject matter, and which can clarify the actual meaning of any allegedly contradictory passage by looking at what it says in context with all other similar passages.

Only by studying the whole Bible, can the truths it explains be factually, and unambiguously, determined.

Or in short there are Christian Denominations that believe in the Bible as a whole yes , But in turn they all interpret the Bible differently and place more emphasis on certain books , chapters and versus .

aka they cherry pick .

OK, so what part of the Bible do Lutherans cherry-pick?

Lutherans are Followers of Martin Luther and they are an early break away from the Catholic church, the Catholic church themselves considered Lutherans heretics.

Lutherans generally follow the catechism written by Martin Luther, but his 95 theses were probably the first steps in the break away from the Roman Catholic church which was increasingly loosing the plot as it aged.

To be clear. Martin Luther was not perfect by any means, he was racist and incited violence against those he disagreed with, but he did reject tradition, syncretism, and other influences that had been supplanting the more assured truth of the written Canonical scriptures.

The Roman Catholic church has, I believe, also abandoned its basis in existing scripture, and has encompassed worldly, pagan, cultural, and traditional influences which are clearly spoken against in the Gospels.

The Scriptures are significantly less malleable than cultures, languages, and traditions, all of which follow fashionable trends and cycles. And we have scriptural sources from within the lifetimes of the main people written about within those scriptures, so we can be fairly sure we aren't misinterpreting things, or changing them significantly, even though we are separated from those events by thousands of years.

But to return to my original (unanswered) question, what specific part of the Bible do Lutherans cherry-pick?

a reply to: gkskg

Not entirely related but in Europe they are having a real problem with Africa evangelical churches and exorcism rituals, particularly on children accused of being witches.

This isn't the Christianity that a lot of you were raised in.

originally posted by: abigredneck
Average 700 000 abortions a year,
one obscure "Christian" ritual death.
Yea, exactly the same.
a reply to: gkskg

Swap abortion for gang shooting and see how things pan out.

originally posted by: chr0naut
There are a number of cults with a Christian sounding name, but who cherry-pick little bits of the Bible and Christian doctrine, add their own stuff, and do not hold to the complete canonical scriptures. Mormons, JW's, Branch Davidians, Moonies, Heaven's Gate, .. the list goes on.

Is this one of those 'my flavor of Jesus is the real flavor of Jesus' type posts?

originally posted by: Gothmog
A true Christian would know that wasn't the way .

Then you obviously wouldn't know.

originally posted by: NorthOfStuff
As much as it shows the Democrats are democratic.

And Republicans are for the Republic. It doesn't change the fact that this is a rather wide spread denomination of Christianity.

a reply to: chr0naut

Just in then last 500 years, bickering between Protestants and Catholics (in the form of wars and aggression toward each other) has resulted in millions of deaths. Organized religion is capable of some extremely heinous behaviors.

My intent from this isn't to troll Christians or start some inane back and forth about whose sect has the true access to their version of God.

To deny the violence and predatory behavior that has followed in the wake of organized religion , is to ignore European history.

I believe that the whole of Christendom has in a sense allowed earthly strivings for power to ignore one of their core mandates by Jesus, which is to protect children.

I believe there is also a parable about bearing fruit in the Greek scriptures. There is rotten fruit in the tree of professed Christianity.

If your response is to defend your version of protestant Christianity, then I think that is a problem.

a reply to: Deetermined

In the Greek scriptures, Jesus "casts" out unclean spirits.

The man who killed his grandaughter was attempting to mimic this behavior he read about in the Bible.

Instead of reading those words in his scriptures and realizing the internal allegory that he needed to do some internal cleaning and reflection and figure out how he can purify himself via the teachings of Jesus, he projected it onto a baby. Who he then killed.

This isnt isolated or a rare occurrence. I grew up in an Assemblies of God church in the late 80s and early 90s. Talk about a denomination with a fetish for casting out demons and bringing on the end of the world. That is a mainstream evangelical group and the belief in possessions and casting out devils was very real to them ( at least up until the late 90s when I split and never looked back).

a reply to: gkskg

What internal allegory? Here's how Jesus cast out demons, clearly something this grandfather DID NOT MIMIC.

Matthew 8:26-37

28 And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.

29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

30 And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding.

31 So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.

32 And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Hahahaha, well, I guess I have an ilk now. That is pretty sweet.

Your 8000 different versions of Protestantism are the children of Roman Catholicism. The name protestant itself is only defined by it's relationship to the Roman church.

Did the Church need a renovation? Absolutely. Am I against protestants? No, not at all.

I am not deceiving anyone. This is your church history.

There is a major problem when scriptures are taught literally by clergy who dont have a clue what the books they are teaching from actually mean.

And my original point is that there is major issue in Christendom with the abuse of children. How they are disciplined, how they are taught to think, and how they are sexually objectified by those that are supposed to teach and protect them.