Child Killed During Christian Ritual

a reply to: gkskg

It is a fringe group within Christendom, but the errors in literal interpretation that befell this group are present in nearly every evangelical protestant Christian sect and denomination.

This is the second time you've made this ludicrous statement. Please tell us how this has anything to do with "literal interpretation" of the Bible. This isn't a misunderstanding of scripture. This is a misunderstanding of what's wrong with this child causing them to scream and have nightmares in the middle of the night. My guess is that the parents are abusive and grew up in their own abusive households, but that doesn't have anything to do with the literal interpretation of the Bible. It has to do with mental illness and trauma.

a reply to: Wide-Eyes

I doubt it would be reported by MSM.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: chr0naut
It doesn't sound like a Christian denomination. It sounds like a cult with an apocalyptic leader, meeting in the back of a house.

Ingelsia Pentacostal churches are originally from South/Central America but there are plenty here now in the United States. The name alone shows it's a Christian denomination.

There are a number of cults with a Christian sounding name, but who cherry-pick little bits of the Bible and Christian doctrine, add their own stuff, and do not hold to the complete canonical scriptures. Mormons, JW's, Branch Davidians, Moonies, Heaven's Gate, .. the list goes on.

a reply to: gkskg

yeah this definintely sounds like a cult

Also, to answer your question, the reason its so prevalent in religions is just like it being prevalent with teachers, counselors etc

Sick people who like to molest children work in places they have the easiest access to them

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: gkskg

It is a fringe group within Christendom, but the errors in literal interpretation that befell this group are present in nearly every evangelical protestant Christian sect and denomination.

This is the second time you've made this ludicrous statement. Please tell us how this has anything to do with "literal interpretation" of the Bible. This isn't a misunderstanding of scripture. This is a misunderstanding of what's wrong with this child causing them to scream and have nightmares in the middle of the night. My guess is that the parents are abusive and grew up in their own abusive households, but that doesn't have anything to do with the literal interpretation of the Bible. It has to do with mental illness and trauma.

Agreed sounds like night terrors to me, my daughter has them it can be pretty wild sometimes

And youre right I dont think it has anything to do with religion other than the parents are most likely WOEFULLY uneducated and probably have a history of abuse in the family already

There are a number of cults with a Christian sounding name, but who cherry-pick little bits of the Bible and Christian doctrine, add their own stuff, and do not hold to the complete canonical scriptures.

a reply to: chr0naut

Name a single Christian Religion that does not Cherry pick the Bible and ignore the rest.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: chr0naut
It doesn't sound like a Christian denomination. It sounds like a cult with an apocalyptic leader, meeting in the back of a house.

Ingelsia Pentacostal churches are originally from South/Central America but there are plenty here now in the United States. The name alone shows it's a Christian denomination.

Really ?
What's in a name , right ?
"apostles and prophets" ?
Apostles and prophets of what ?
There was only 12 Apostles and they passed from the Earth a log time ago .
And exorcisms don't work the way they were doing it .
Inducing vomiting ?
A true Christian would know that wasn't the way .
And anyone with any common sense would know that inducing vomiting in a 3 month old baby is dangerous .

Cult , all the way .
Learn something of the subject BEFORE you post.

a reply to: chr0naut

You are completely spot on ...
...this time.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

There are a number of cults with a Christian sounding name, but who cherry-pick little bits of the Bible and Christian doctrine, add their own stuff, and do not hold to the complete canonical scriptures.

a reply to: chr0naut

Name a single Christian Religion that does not Cherry pick the Bible and ignore the rest.

All true followers .
Just like any other religion ,
And there is your answer .

I don't think religions have a lock on child abuse. Humanity has become extremely corrupt and child exploitation, murder, and abuse is pretty well covered by all groups. That means if you look in religion you will find it. If you look in atheist antifa-types, you will find it.

a reply to: Halfswede

I don't think religions have a lock on child abuse.

People in general have a "lock" on child abuse .
No matter the religious beliefs (or lack thereof) .

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

There are a number of cults with a Christian sounding name, but who cherry-pick little bits of the Bible and Christian doctrine, add their own stuff, and do not hold to the complete canonical scriptures.

a reply to: chr0naut

Name a single Christian Religion that does not Cherry pick the Bible and ignore the rest.

Well, this is on a denominational scale (as many churches associated with any particular denomination may have a different focus), but Assembly of God, Baptists, and Lutherans all come from the Reformational "sola scriptura" (by the scriptures alone) legacy, which by its nature excludes tradition, or reasoning, or non canonical works, as forces shaping their ideology.

Similarly, there are potential issues relating to interpretation of any one passage of scripture in isolation, which can be resolved only by collating all parts of the Bible mentioning the same subject matter, and which can clarify the actual meaning of any allegedly contradictory passage by looking at what it says in context with all other similar passages.

Only by studying the whole Bible, can the truths it explains be factually, and unambiguously, determined.

a reply to: gkskg

And what verses contain the ritual they used.

You claim your comments are not an attack on religion, but absolutely that is what this is. The actions of one single, small congregation who clearly hold beliefs which are aberrant in the context of the 8000+ other denominations of Protestant Christianity - and you think we'll believe this isn't just your joyous little attack against the Christianity that you simply don't comprehend fully enough to even comment on loosely?

Give me a break. It is plain to see that you have an agenda against the wider church, and you seek to dictate what can & can't be taught, simply backing it up with a tiny handful of aberrant examples, out of literally billions of Christians worldwide who would never in a million years countenance something so absurd & destructive in the name of the Lord.

We see through you & your ilk, it is very plain to perceive exactly where you stand. You are a deceiver.

originally posted by: gkskg
Members of an evangelical Christian Church have been arrested for the death of a toddler during an exorcism ritual.

This is a direct result of literal biblical interpretation and what happens when scriptures are not taught allegorically.

With all the talk of Roe V Wade and the accusations flying around about "baby killing", then this also needs to be discussed.

This isn't a attack on anyone's religion, but it seems that children are the biggest victims and the ones paying the ultimate price while their adult leaders continue to abuse and kill them based on a selfish misunderstanding of their scriptures.

Not to mention the rampant sexual abuse in nearly all flavors of modern Christianity.

Why does child abuse seem to go hand in hand with organized religions?

Atheist or Theist, it does not seem to matter.



www.nbcbayarea.com...

Um, this is not a Christian church. This is some backwards Mexican cult with Mexicans doing some sick # based on their sick abuse

members meet inside a back room of an East San Jose home

Anyone can claim its a church....

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

There are a number of cults with a Christian sounding name, but who cherry-pick little bits of the Bible and Christian doctrine, add their own stuff, and do not hold to the complete canonical scriptures.

a reply to: chr0naut

Name a single Christian Religion that does not Cherry pick the Bible and ignore the rest.

Well, this is on a denominational scale (as many churches associated with any particular denomination may have a different focus), but Assembly of God, Baptists, and Lutherans all come from the Reformational "sola scriptura" (by the scriptures alone) legacy, which by its nature excludes tradition, or reasoning, or non canonical works, as forces shaping their ideology.

Similarly, there are potential issues relating to interpretation of any one passage of scripture in isolation, which can be resolved only by collating all parts of the Bible mentioning the same subject matter, and which can clarify the actual meaning of any allegedly contradictory passage by looking at what it says in context with all other similar passages.

Only by studying the whole Bible, can the truths it explains be factually, and unambiguously, determined.

Or in short there are Christian Denominations that believe in the Bible as a whole yes , But in turn they all interpret the Bible differently and place more emphasis on certain books , chapters and versus .

aka they cherry pick .

a reply to: chr0naut

My guess is that they probably registered as a church as a way of evading tax.

This gave me a giggle.

That criteria fits every religious tax exemption. It's actually implicit in the application that you wish to evade taxes.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Interesting, that was exactly what Jesus spent a few years teaching as well

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

There are a number of cults with a Christian sounding name, but who cherry-pick little bits of the Bible and Christian doctrine, add their own stuff, and do not hold to the complete canonical scriptures.

a reply to: chr0naut

Name a single Christian Religion that does not Cherry pick the Bible and ignore the rest.

Well, this is on a denominational scale (as many churches associated with any particular denomination may have a different focus), but Assembly of God, Baptists, and Lutherans all come from the Reformational "sola scriptura" (by the scriptures alone) legacy, which by its nature excludes tradition, or reasoning, or non canonical works, as forces shaping their ideology.

Similarly, there are potential issues relating to interpretation of any one passage of scripture in isolation, which can be resolved only by collating all parts of the Bible mentioning the same subject matter, and which can clarify the actual meaning of any allegedly contradictory passage by looking at what it says in context with all other similar passages.

Only by studying the whole Bible, can the truths it explains be factually, and unambiguously, determined.

Or in short there are Christian Denominations that believe in the Bible as a whole yes , But in turn they all interpret the Bible differently and place more emphasis on certain books , chapters and versus .

aka they cherry pick .

OK, so what part of the Bible do Lutherans cherry-pick?

originally posted by: gkskg

This is a direct result of literal biblical interpretation and what happens when scriptures are not taught allegorically.

With all the talk of Roe V Wade and the accusations flying around about "baby killing", then this also needs to be discussed.

This isn't a attack on anyone's religion, but it seems that children are the biggest victims and the ones paying the ultimate price while their adult leaders continue to abuse and kill them based on a selfish misunderstanding of their scriptures.

Not to mention the rampant sexual abuse in nearly all flavors of modern Christianity.

Why does child abuse seem to go hand in hand with organized religions?




www.nbcbayarea.com...

Such a great op,
making it seem like children in churches are dying at the rate of children being aborted,
that the church endorse this death rate of children somehow.
That children in churches are somehow neglected killed and abused on a higher scale than those in society.

Sexual abuse happens in schools by teachers, in homes by family members and other organisations
Again, sexual abuse is not endorsed in at least main stream Protestant churches, (jw,org seem to turn a blind eye to its members crimes) the Catholics just recently started cleaning up there act.
Not excusing any kind of abuse, not justifying the churches reaction but, it is endemic in society at all levels
Both JW,org and the Catholic Church are extremist organisations who need to be held accountable for neglecting their duty to care and love